VOTE: Time Warp HOF Induction 1939

Matt from TN · 06-14-2004, 11:47 AM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results

Elected to the RL HOF in 1939 were George Sisler, Eddie Collins, Willie Keeler & Lou Gehrig by the BBWAA and Cap Anson and Buck Ewing by the VC.

All players who received at least 5% of votes on last ballot were retained for this ballot. I added players with HOF Standards scores of 40-44. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1939 (retired after 1933 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed.

Players who have been retired for 20 years are not eligible for this ballot, but since many of them are just becoming eligible by my HOF Standards scores, I will do this: If a player is over the 20 year mark, he will be removed from the ballot after 2 unsuccessful bids for induction. Once 1946 gets here and the VC is in effect, the regular 20-year rule will be used.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max.

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .365
Hits: 4000
HR: 326
RBI: 1693
2B: 665
BB: 1643
R: 2004
SB: 921

Whitey Kohse, SS, Last Season: 1932, HOF Standard: 74
2749 H, 660 2B, 131 HR, 1346 RBI, 1523 R, 853 K, 1643 BB, 164 SB, .324 AVG, .939 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: OBP 5, SLG 3, OPS 5, Doubles 4, Runs 1, Walks 6
Career Top 10: RBI, Doubles, Walks (#1), Runs

Tom Turley, C, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 71
3098 H, 395 2B, 131 HR, 1502 RBI, 1653 R, 931 K, 1454 BB, 420 SB, .293 AVG, .814 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Walks 1
Career Top 10: Hits, RBI, Runs, Walks

"Flaky" Arsenault, SS, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 59
3511 H, 351 2B, 28 HR, 1330 RBI, 1661 R, 446 K, 1012 BB, 359 SB, .336 AVG, .838 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1
Gold Gloves: 3
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 1, Runs 1
Career Top 10: Hits, Runs

Jed Burke, 2B, Last Season: 1921, HOF Standard: 59
2950 H, 265 2B, 18 HR, 1055 RBI, 1228 R, 600 K, 921 BB, 138 SB, .345 AVG, .851 OPS
BOY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 3
Led League in: OBP 4, SLG1, OPS 2, Hits 3, BB 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Campbell Ditty, CF, Last Season: 1929, HOF Standard: 56
3131 H, 665 2B, 206 HR, 1628 RBI, 1313 R, 628 K, 665 BB, 60 SB, .309 AVG, .797 OPS
BOY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 2B 3, HR 5, RBI 1
Career Top 10: Hits, HR, RBI, 2B (#1)

Patrick Seifried, 1B, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 51
2720 H, 313 2B, 59 HR, 1195 RBI, 1348 R, 851 K, 1137 BB, 235 SB, .327 AVG, .867 OPS
BOY Award: 3
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 5
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: OBP 3, SLG 1, OPS 2, RBI 2, Runs 2, BB 3
Career Top 10: NONE

Paris "Frenchie" Fournier, 3B, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 49
2730 H, 465 2B, 24 HR, 980 RBI, 1511 R, 354 K, 541 BB, 802 SB, .296 AVG, .772 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Hits 2, 2B 1, 3B 2, Runs 4, SB 7
Career Top 10: 3B, Runs, SB

Jared Jarry, 1B, Last Season: 1925, HOF Standard: 44
2912 H, 542 2B, 175 HR, 1464 RBI, 1498 R, 473 K, 937 BB, 136 SB, .294 AVG, .819 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, 2B 1, HR 2, R 2
Career Top 10: RBI, 2B

Paul Carman, SS, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 44
1879 H, 241 2B, 52 HR, 821 RBI, 1032 R, 252 K, 591 BB, 320 SB, .312 AVG, .813 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

Timothy Sonnet, C, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 43
2106 H, 201 2B, 20 HR, 651 RBI, 821 R, 332 K, 409 BB, 30 SB, .321 AVG, .764 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: 1
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

"Dark Horse" Allen, CF, Last Season: 1913, HOF Standard: 42
1795 H, 213 2B, 67 HR, 709 RBI, 907 R, 528 K, 871 BB, 13 SB, .325 AVG, .883 OPS
BOY Award: 3
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 3
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: 2
Led League in: OBP 2, SLG 4, OPS 4, Hits 2, 3B 1, HR 1, Runs 3, BB 5
Career Top 10: NONE

"Razor" Lawley, CF, Last Season: 1918, HOF Standard: 42
2574 H, 369 2B, 76 HR, 1094 RBI, 1195 R, 298 K, 783 BB, 335 SB, .290 AVG, .783 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 5
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, HR 1, RBI 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Mike Boardway, 1B, Last Season: 1932, HOF Standard: 42
2433 H, 408 2B, 115 HR, 1277 RBI, 1222 R, 432 K, 1197 BB, 47 SB, .307 AVG, .811 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 4
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

John Blatt, 2B, Last Season: 1926, HOF Standard: 42
2322 H, 338 2B, 61 HR, 1059 RBI, 1071 R, 423 K, 437 BB, 186 SB, .309 AVG, .754 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

Michael Wrightson, 1B, Last Season: 1926, HOF Standard: 41
2969 H, 444 2B, 124 HR, 1407 RBI, 1320 R, 586 K, 586 BB, 26 SB, .306 AVG, .786 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: HR 1
Career Top 10: RBI

Charlie Matthews, RF, Last Season: 1929, HOF Standard: 40
2027 H, 449 2B, 93 HR, 1067 RBI, 1159 R, 411 K, 432 BB, 457 SB, .308 AVG, .846 OPS
BOY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 5
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 2, Hits 1, RBI 1, Runs 2, SB 3
Career Top 10: NONE

Charles "Spice" Hagaman, 3B, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 40
2283 H, 449 2B, 74 HR, 1145 RBI, 1103 R, 843 K, 1226 BB, 31 SB, .272 AVG, .773 OPS
BOY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 6
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, BB 3
Career Top 10: BB

Willie "Chump" Blair, RF, Last Season: 1925, HOF Standard: 40
2551 H, 314 2B, 92 HR, 1204 RBI, 1058 R, 414 K, 1122 BB, 19 SB, .302 AVG, .767 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
Pennants: 4
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: RBI 1, Runs 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Art Bouring, CF, Last Season: 1931, HOF Standard: 40
1835 H, 209 2B, 70 HR, 768 RBI, 933 R, 236 K, 597 BB, 156 SB, .318 AVG, .832 OPS
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Runs 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Matt from TN · 06-14-2004, 11:48 AM

Pitchers

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 359
K: 2612
CG: 601
SHO: 95

Allen Albertini, Last Season: 1920, HOF Standard: 60
265-147, 64.3%, 2.32 IP, 3982.3 IP, 1275 BB, 1724 K, 306 CG, 59 SHO, 1.05 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, BB 1, SHO 1
Career Top 10: ERA, SHO

Will Haggan, Last Season: 1922, HOF Standard: 58
337-299, 53.0%, 3.28 ERA, 5837.1 IP, 1597 BB, 2612 K, 601 CG, 45 SHO, 1.15 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 2
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 2
Career Top 10: Wins, K's (#1), CG (#1)

Mark Krosser, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 57
266-181, 59.5%, 2.50 ERA, 4134.2 IP, 653 BB, 2131 K, 419 CG, 39 SHO, 1.10 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: 1
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 3, WHIP 1, Wins 2, IP 1, K's 2, CG 2, SHO 1
Career Top 10: ERA, K's

Bowie Castellon, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 57
262-146, 64.2%, 2.52 ERA, 3801 IP, 777 BB, 1298 K, 397 CG, 50 SHO, 1.08 WHIP
POY Award: 2
ROY Award: 1
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 3, CG 2
Career Top 10: ERA, SHO

Dave "The Shepard" McBean, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 56
254-151, 62.7%, 2.52 ERA, 3747 IP, 611 BB, 1529 K, 386 CG, 55 SHO, 1.06 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 3, IP 1, K's 1, CG 3, SHO 1
Career Top 10: ERA, SHO

"Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46
322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP
POY Award: 1
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2
Career Top 10: Wins

"Evil" Gary Archer, Last Season: 1914, HOF Standard: 45
237-188, 55.8%, 2.86 ERA, 3922.1 IP, 984 BB, 1631 K, 405 CG, 47 SHO, 1.09 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: 3
Led League in: WHIP 2, CG 1, SHO 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Johnny Swinson, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 44
256-167, 60.5%, 3.23 ERA, 3900.2 IP, 729 BB, 1159 K, 348 CG, 33 SHO, 1.17 WHIP
POY Award: 3
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 3, WHIP 1, Wins 3, IP 2, CG 1, SHO 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Granville Galvan, Last Season: 1922, HOF Standard: 44
232-179, 56.5%, 3.04 ERA, 3851 IP, 671 BB, 1989 K, 343 CG, 39 SHO, 1.11 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, IP 1, K's 2, SHO 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Derek Callery, Last Season: 1920, HOF Standard: 42
224-159, 58.5%, 2.97 ERA, 3529.2 IP, 651 BB, 1481 K, 355 CG, 37 SHO, 1.17 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1
Pennants: 2
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 10: NONE

"Brickhead" Bill Horton, Last Season: 1922, HOF Standard: 41
220-179, 55.1%, 3.15 ERA, 3692 IP, 661 BB, 2319 K, 318 CG, 36 SHO, 1.17 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: 1
WS Victories: 1
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: K's 5, CG 1
Career Top 10: K's

Carl Garvan, Last Season: 1915, HOF Standard: 41
197-168, 54.0%, 2.60 ERA, 3397 IP, 536 BB, 1737 K, 323 CG, 40 SHO, 1.04 WHIP
POY Award: 2
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 3, Wins 2, IP 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Terry "Hook" Jackson, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 27
181-121, 59.9%, 3.98 ERA, 2753 IP, 481 BB, 708 K, 223 CG, 21 SHO, 1.29 WHIP
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Pennants: NONE
WS Victories: NONE
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: CG 1
Career Top 10: NONE

Ankhiel · 06-14-2004, 12:45 PM

arsenault
ditty
turley
haggan
Fargo

metsgeek · 06-14-2004, 12:51 PM

DITTY
Arsenault
Kohse
Turley
Burke
Albertini
Krosser
Castellon
McBean
Swinson (3 Pitcher of the Year Awards! Can't ignore that)

ifspuds · 06-14-2004, 01:39 PM

Kohse
Ditty
Haggan

lgkeeper · 06-14-2004, 02:56 PM

Kohse
Ditty
Siefried
Matthews (I think this is one I should have to justify, considering his HOF standard. My reasons for having him in:
5 Gold Gloves (I put a big emphasis on defense)
2 BOY awards)
2 WS wins
A great combo of power (twice led the lg in SLG) and Speed (3x led the lg in SBs)
Haggan (should be a lock, btw)

jdw · 06-14-2004, 03:26 PM

In alpha order:

Allen Albertini
Jean-Francois Arsenault
Jed Burke
Whitey Kohse
Patrick Seifried

John

tward13 · 06-14-2004, 03:45 PM

Turley
Arsenault
Ditty
Albertini
Haggan

metsgeek · 06-14-2004, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jdw
In alpha order:

Allen Albertini
Jean-Francois Arsenault
Jed Burke
Whitey Kohse
Patrick Seifried

John

You hate Ditty, don't you?

TwinsFan86 · 06-14-2004, 03:57 PM

Kohse
Turley
Ditty
Arsenault
Burke
Albertini
Fargo
Swinson
Haggan

Tyke · 06-14-2004, 04:39 PM

kohse
turley
fargo

Dagrims · 06-14-2004, 04:53 PM

Kohse
Turley
Arsenault
Ditty
Albertini
Castellon
McBean

rogmax11 · 06-14-2004, 05:05 PM

Kohse
Arsenault
Ditty
Turley
Albsertini
Haggan
Krosser
Fargo
Castellon

Matt from TN · 06-14-2004, 05:16 PM

You guys are on fire... already 10 votes... so I thought I'd give an early update... players not listed have 0 votes and are at risk of being dropped from the ballot... Some good players not getting any notice, I see.

Code:

Whitey Kohse	        80.00%
Campbell Ditty	        80.00%
Tom Turley	        70.00%
Flaky Arsenault	        70.00%
Allen Albertini	        60.00%
Will Haggan	        60.00%
Ned Fargo	        40.00%
Jed Burke	        30.00%
Bowie Castellon	        30.00%
Patrick Seifried	20.00%
Mark Krosser	        20.00%
Dave McBean	        20.00%
Johnny Swinson	        20.00%
Charlie Matthews	10.00%

jdw · 06-14-2004, 05:58 PM

metsgeek wrote:

> You hate Ditty, don't you?

No, just think he's a bit overrated, Mets. You say Ditty is robbed by being out, while I say Jed Burke is robbed by not getting in the class of '38. Compare the two and I just don't know how anyone could think that Jed from the deadball era wasn't better than Ditty who got a big chunk of those HR and RBI in the 20s. I see a .851 OPS vs. a sub-.800 one. And of course one of the Clean Sox who wasn't trying to toss the 1919 (and 1917 and 1920) series.

John

Vris · 06-14-2004, 06:56 PM

Wow. I hate these votes.

"Flaky" Arsenault
"Nasty" Ned Fargo
Campbell Ditty
Will Haggan
Allen Albertini
"Evil" Gary Archer
Patrick Seifried
"Frenchie" Fournier
"Dark Horse" Allen
Jed Burke

or something

metsgeek · 06-14-2004, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jdw
No, just think he's a bit overrated, Mets. You say Ditty is robbed by being out, while I say Jed Burke is robbed by not getting in the class of '38. Compare the two and I just don't know how anyone could think that Jed from the deadball era wasn't better than Ditty who got a big chunk of those HR and RBI in the 20s. I see a .851 OPS vs. a sub-.800 one. And of course one of the Clean Sox who wasn't trying to toss the 1919 (and 1917 and 1920) series.

Ok, let me try another angle to convince people....comparing Ditty side-by-side to John "Pops" Falise, who was shoo-in into the Hall (and had 3 more years than Ditty after the deadball era when he won all his BOY Awards), Cohan, and Burke:

Code:

PA:          Ditty - 10814       Falise - 11298      Cohan - 9626    Burke - 9154
Average:     Ditty - .309        Falise - .302       Cohan - .353    Burke - .345
OBP:         Ditty - .351        Falise - .355       Cohan - .390    Burke - .409
OPS:         Ditty - .797        Falise - .865       Cohan - .825    Burke - .851
Hits:        Ditty - 3131        Falise - 3152       Cohan - 3208    Burke - 2950
2b:          Ditty - 665         Falise - 554        Cohan - 266     Burke - 265
3b:          Ditty - 54          Falise - 464        Cohan - 174     Burke - 258
HR:          Ditty - 206         Falise - 236        Cohan - 43      Burke - 18
RBI:         Ditty - 1628        Falise - 1693       Cohan - 1161    Burke - 1055
Runs:        Ditty - 1313        Falise - 1661       Cohan - 1168    Burke - 1228
SB:          Ditty - 60          Falise - 45         Cohan - 59      Burke - 138
BOY:         Ditty - 2 ('16,'22) Falise - 4('25-'28) Cohan - 1('18)  Burke - 2('15)
Gold Gloves: Ditty - 4           Falise - 0          Cohan - 9       Burke - 1

Each player has advantages over the other, but that's the beauty of the process. You are allowed to vote for more than one player. The players don't need to be compared to each other. They are compared against standards for the Hall.

Vris · 06-14-2004, 07:56 PM

I gotta agree with Metsgeek. Ditty compares favorably.

LivnLegend · 06-14-2004, 08:11 PM

Allen Albertini
"Nasty Ned" Fargo
Patrick Seifried
Campbell Ditty
Will Haggan

Dagrims · 06-14-2004, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by metsgeek
Each player has advantages over the other, but that's the beauty of the process. You are allowed to vote for more than one player. The players don't need to be compared to each other. They are compared against standards for the Hall.

Just as in real life, that is a fact that a number of HOF voters will ignore. The seven people that didn't vote for Babe Ruth in the inaugural HOF selection most likely chose one player only (or had a personal dislike of Ruth).

06-14-2004, 11:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	VOTE: Time Warp HOF Induction 1939 1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results Elected to the RL HOF in 1939 were George Sisler, Eddie Collins, Willie Keeler & Lou Gehrig by the BBWAA and Cap Anson and Buck Ewing by the VC. All players who received at least 5% of votes on last ballot were retained for this ballot. I added players with HOF Standards scores of 40-44. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1939 (retired after 1933 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Players who have been retired for 20 years are not eligible for this ballot, but since many of them are just becoming eligible by my HOF Standards scores, I will do this: If a player is over the 20 year mark, he will be removed from the ballot after 2 unsuccessful bids for induction. Once 1946 gets here and the VC is in effect, the regular 20-year rule will be used. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. HOF Standard: 50 is considered an average HOF'er. 100 is max. Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .365 Hits: 4000 HR: 326 RBI: 1693 2B: 665 BB: 1643 R: 2004 SB: 921 Whitey Kohse, SS, Last Season: 1932, HOF Standard: 74 2749 H, 660 2B, 131 HR, 1346 RBI, 1523 R, 853 K, 1643 BB, 164 SB, .324 AVG, .939 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: OBP 5, SLG 3, OPS 5, Doubles 4, Runs 1, Walks 6 Career Top 10: RBI, Doubles, Walks (#1), Runs Tom Turley, C, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 71 3098 H, 395 2B, 131 HR, 1502 RBI, 1653 R, 931 K, 1454 BB, 420 SB, .293 AVG, .814 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Walks 1 Career Top 10: Hits, RBI, Runs, Walks "Flaky" Arsenault, SS, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 59 3511 H, 351 2B, 28 HR, 1330 RBI, 1661 R, 446 K, 1012 BB, 359 SB, .336 AVG, .838 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1 Gold Gloves: 3 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Hits 1, Runs 1 Career Top 10: Hits, Runs Jed Burke, 2B, Last Season: 1921, HOF Standard: 59 2950 H, 265 2B, 18 HR, 1055 RBI, 1228 R, 600 K, 921 BB, 138 SB, .345 AVG, .851 OPS BOY Award: 2 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 3 Led League in: OBP 4, SLG1, OPS 2, Hits 3, BB 1 Career Top 10: NONE Campbell Ditty, CF, Last Season: 1929, HOF Standard: 56 3131 H, 665 2B, 206 HR, 1628 RBI, 1313 R, 628 K, 665 BB, 60 SB, .309 AVG, .797 OPS BOY Award: 2 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 2B 3, HR 5, RBI 1 Career Top 10: Hits, HR, RBI, 2B (#1) Patrick Seifried, 1B, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 51 2720 H, 313 2B, 59 HR, 1195 RBI, 1348 R, 851 K, 1137 BB, 235 SB, .327 AVG, .867 OPS BOY Award: 3 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 5 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: OBP 3, SLG 1, OPS 2, RBI 2, Runs 2, BB 3 Career Top 10: NONE Paris "Frenchie" Fournier, 3B, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 49 2730 H, 465 2B, 24 HR, 980 RBI, 1511 R, 354 K, 541 BB, 802 SB, .296 AVG, .772 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Hits 2, 2B 1, 3B 2, Runs 4, SB 7 Career Top 10: 3B, Runs, SB Jared Jarry, 1B, Last Season: 1925, HOF Standard: 44 2912 H, 542 2B, 175 HR, 1464 RBI, 1498 R, 473 K, 937 BB, 136 SB, .294 AVG, .819 OPS BOY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, 2B 1, HR 2, R 2 Career Top 10: RBI, 2B Paul Carman, SS, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 44 1879 H, 241 2B, 52 HR, 821 RBI, 1032 R, 252 K, 591 BB, 320 SB, .312 AVG, .813 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE Timothy Sonnet, C, Last Season: 1924, HOF Standard: 43 2106 H, 201 2B, 20 HR, 651 RBI, 821 R, 332 K, 409 BB, 30 SB, .321 AVG, .764 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: 1 Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE "Dark Horse" Allen, CF, Last Season: 1913, HOF Standard: 42 1795 H, 213 2B, 67 HR, 709 RBI, 907 R, 528 K, 871 BB, 13 SB, .325 AVG, .883 OPS BOY Award: 3 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 3 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: 2 Led League in: OBP 2, SLG 4, OPS 4, Hits 2, 3B 1, HR 1, Runs 3, BB 5 Career Top 10: NONE "Razor" Lawley, CF, Last Season: 1918, HOF Standard: 42 2574 H, 369 2B, 76 HR, 1094 RBI, 1195 R, 298 K, 783 BB, 335 SB, .290 AVG, .783 OPS BOY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 5 Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, HR 1, RBI 1 Career Top 10: NONE Mike Boardway, 1B, Last Season: 1932, HOF Standard: 42 2433 H, 408 2B, 115 HR, 1277 RBI, 1222 R, 432 K, 1197 BB, 47 SB, .307 AVG, .811 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 4 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE John Blatt, 2B, Last Season: 1926, HOF Standard: 42 2322 H, 338 2B, 61 HR, 1059 RBI, 1071 R, 423 K, 437 BB, 186 SB, .309 AVG, .754 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE Michael Wrightson, 1B, Last Season: 1926, HOF Standard: 41 2969 H, 444 2B, 124 HR, 1407 RBI, 1320 R, 586 K, 586 BB, 26 SB, .306 AVG, .786 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: HR 1 Career Top 10: RBI Charlie Matthews, RF, Last Season: 1929, HOF Standard: 40 2027 H, 449 2B, 93 HR, 1067 RBI, 1159 R, 411 K, 432 BB, 457 SB, .308 AVG, .846 OPS BOY Award: 2 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 5 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 2, Hits 1, RBI 1, Runs 2, SB 3 Career Top 10: NONE Charles "Spice" Hagaman, 3B, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 40 2283 H, 449 2B, 74 HR, 1145 RBI, 1103 R, 843 K, 1226 BB, 31 SB, .272 AVG, .773 OPS BOY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 6 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, OPS 1, BB 3 Career Top 10: BB Willie "Chump" Blair, RF, Last Season: 1925, HOF Standard: 40 2551 H, 314 2B, 92 HR, 1204 RBI, 1058 R, 414 K, 1122 BB, 19 SB, .302 AVG, .767 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 Pennants: 4 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: RBI 1, Runs 1 Career Top 10: NONE Art Bouring, CF, Last Season: 1931, HOF Standard: 40 1835 H, 209 2B, 70 HR, 768 RBI, 933 R, 236 K, 597 BB, 156 SB, .318 AVG, .832 OPS BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Runs 1 Career Top 10: NONE

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Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Pitchers Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): ERA: 2.10 W: 359 K: 2612 CG: 601 SHO: 95 Allen Albertini, Last Season: 1920, HOF Standard: 60 265-147, 64.3%, 2.32 IP, 3982.3 IP, 1275 BB, 1724 K, 306 CG, 59 SHO, 1.05 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, BB 1, SHO 1 Career Top 10: ERA, SHO Will Haggan, Last Season: 1922, HOF Standard: 58 337-299, 53.0%, 3.28 ERA, 5837.1 IP, 1597 BB, 2612 K, 601 CG, 45 SHO, 1.15 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 2 No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 2 Career Top 10: Wins, K's (#1), CG (#1) Mark Krosser, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 57 266-181, 59.5%, 2.50 ERA, 4134.2 IP, 653 BB, 2131 K, 419 CG, 39 SHO, 1.10 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: 1 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 3, WHIP 1, Wins 2, IP 1, K's 2, CG 2, SHO 1 Career Top 10: ERA, K's Bowie Castellon, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 57 262-146, 64.2%, 2.52 ERA, 3801 IP, 777 BB, 1298 K, 397 CG, 50 SHO, 1.08 WHIP POY Award: 2 ROY Award: 1 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 1, Wins 3, CG 2 Career Top 10: ERA, SHO Dave "The Shepard" McBean, Last Season: 1916, HOF Standard: 56 254-151, 62.7%, 2.52 ERA, 3747 IP, 611 BB, 1529 K, 386 CG, 55 SHO, 1.06 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: Wins 3, IP 1, K's 1, CG 3, SHO 1 Career Top 10: ERA, SHO "Nasty Ned" Fargo, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 46 322-261, 55.2%, 3.99 ERA, 5502 IP, 1073 BB, 1482 K, 415 CG, 31 SHO, 1.24 WHIP POY Award: 1 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: Wins 1, Losses 1, IP 5, CG 2 Career Top 10: Wins "Evil" Gary Archer, Last Season: 1914, HOF Standard: 45 237-188, 55.8%, 2.86 ERA, 3922.1 IP, 984 BB, 1631 K, 405 CG, 47 SHO, 1.09 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: 3 Led League in: WHIP 2, CG 1, SHO 1 Career Top 10: NONE Johnny Swinson, Last Season: 1930, HOF Standard: 44 256-167, 60.5%, 3.23 ERA, 3900.2 IP, 729 BB, 1159 K, 348 CG, 33 SHO, 1.17 WHIP POY Award: 3 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 3, WHIP 1, Wins 3, IP 2, CG 1, SHO 1 Career Top 10: NONE Granville Galvan, Last Season: 1922, HOF Standard: 44 232-179, 56.5%, 3.04 ERA, 3851 IP, 671 BB, 1989 K, 343 CG, 39 SHO, 1.11 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, WHIP 1, IP 1, K's 2, SHO 1 Career Top 10: NONE Derek Callery, Last Season: 1920, HOF Standard: 42 224-159, 58.5%, 2.97 ERA, 3529.2 IP, 651 BB, 1481 K, 355 CG, 37 SHO, 1.17 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1 Pennants: 2 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 10: NONE "Brickhead" Bill Horton, Last Season: 1922, HOF Standard: 41 220-179, 55.1%, 3.15 ERA, 3692 IP, 661 BB, 2319 K, 318 CG, 36 SHO, 1.17 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: 1 WS Victories: 1 No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: K's 5, CG 1 Career Top 10: K's Carl Garvan, Last Season: 1915, HOF Standard: 41 197-168, 54.0%, 2.60 ERA, 3397 IP, 536 BB, 1737 K, 323 CG, 40 SHO, 1.04 WHIP POY Award: 2 ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, WHIP 3, Wins 2, IP 1 Career Top 10: NONE Terry "Hook" Jackson, Last Season: 1933, HOF Standard: 27 181-121, 59.9%, 3.98 ERA, 2753 IP, 481 BB, 708 K, 223 CG, 21 SHO, 1.29 WHIP POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Pennants: NONE WS Victories: NONE No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: CG 1 Career Top 10: NONE

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lgkeeper All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: My front porch lookin' in Posts: 1,040	Kohse Ditty Siefried Matthews (I think this is one I should have to justify, considering his HOF standard. My reasons for having him in: 5 Gold Gloves (I put a big emphasis on defense) 2 BOY awards) 2 WS wins A great combo of power (twice led the lg in SLG) and Speed (3x led the lg in SBs) Haggan (should be a lock, btw)

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jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,089	In alpha order: Allen Albertini Jean-Francois Arsenault Jed Burke Whitey Kohse Patrick Seifried John

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Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Update! You guys are on fire... already 10 votes... so I thought I'd give an early update... players not listed have 0 votes and are at risk of being dropped from the ballot... Some good players not getting any notice, I see. Code: Whitey Kohse 80.00% Campbell Ditty 80.00% Tom Turley 70.00% Flaky Arsenault 70.00% Allen Albertini 60.00% Will Haggan 60.00% Ned Fargo 40.00% Jed Burke 30.00% Bowie Castellon 30.00% Patrick Seifried 20.00% Mark Krosser 20.00% Dave McBean 20.00% Johnny Swinson 20.00% Charlie Matthews 10.00%

06-14-2004, 05:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,089	metsgeek wrote: > You hate Ditty, don't you? No, just think he's a bit overrated, Mets. You say Ditty is robbed by being out, while I say Jed Burke is robbed by not getting in the class of '38. Compare the two and I just don't know how anyone could think that Jed from the deadball era wasn't better than Ditty who got a big chunk of those HR and RBI in the 20s. I see a .851 OPS vs. a sub-.800 one. And of course one of the Clean Sox who wasn't trying to toss the 1919 (and 1917 and 1920) series. John

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Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,228	Wow. I hate these votes. "Flaky" Arsenault "Nasty" Ned Fargo Campbell Ditty Will Haggan Allen Albertini "Evil" Gary Archer Patrick Seifried "Frenchie" Fournier "Dark Horse" Allen Jed Burke or something __________________ None Blog it.

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06-14-2004, 07:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,228	I gotta agree with Metsgeek. Ditty compares favorably. __________________ None Blog it.

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LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hunters Ridge, CA Posts: 5,523	Allen Albertini "Nasty Ned" Fargo Patrick Seifried Campbell Ditty Will Haggan __________________ 1977 Dodgers MLB Replay - A replay of the '77 Dodger season, managing each game individually Pastoral Baseball Union - An 1800's Dynasty I'm going back to where I started. I'm flashing back into my pan.