The Colossal 20th Century Tourney(1901-2000)

[woody5254]

Thanks to Eck for the idea for this. I have made some of my own tweaks to the format to fit into my ideas.

There have been 1029 teams between the years 1901 and 2000 that have finished with a record of .500 or above. I went through and seeded these teams 1 through 1029 based on winning %. I calculated that there would be thirty-two leagues of 32 teams, with an additional 5 teams left over. To save time I drew 5 of the .500 teams out of a hat to eliminate them and make the leagues even.

After I reached the 1024 team mark overall, I went through the process of seeding them into their proper leagues. #1 overall goes into to group #1, #2 into group #2.........#32 overall into group #32, #33 overall into group #32.......#64 overall back into Group #1.

After I had gone through and placed all 1024 teams into their respective groups, I then went through and placed them into their proper divisions based on their seedings within the group. I decided to go with 2 Leagues of 16, because my plan is to take the take the top 8 from each league into the next round. So the #1 seed goes to the AL and the #2 and #3 go the NL and the #4 and #5 go to the AL and so on.

So as of now I have 32 seeded out leagues waiting to play out a 162 game season to see who moves on the round of 512. Much like March Madness this tourney will have 6 rounds(1024,512,256,128,64,32). I will reseed after each round based on records within the tourney. So after round #1 the team with the best 162 game season will get the #1 seed and after round #2 the team with best 324 game(two round) record will get the #1 seed and so on. I will probably post each group seperately on the board to allow discussion and predictions for that group within a thread and then keep this thread alive for discussions of the overall tourney progress.

I will post the top seeds in this thread in a little bit. I will also post the first group in a seperate group either later today or tomorrow for your perusal. Until then feel free to comment on the premise and ask questions. Please let me know what you think.

[woody5254]

Seed	Year	Team	Wins 	Losses	Pct	Group #
1	1906	Cubs	116	36	0.76316	1
2	1902	Pirates	103	36	0.74101	2
3	1909	Pirates	110	42	0.72368	3
4	1954	Indians	111	43	0.72078	4
5	1927	Yankees	110	44	0.71429	5
6	1907	Cubs	107	45	0.70395	6
7	1931	A's	107	45	0.70395	7
8	1998	Yankees	114	48	0.70370	8
9	1939	Yankees	106	45	0.70199	9
10	1932	Yankees	107	47	0.69481	10
11	1995	Indians	100	44	0.69444	11
12	1929	A's	104	46	0.69333	12
13	1904	Giants	106	47	0.69281	13
14	1912	Red Sox	105	47	0.69079	14
15	1942	Cards	106	48	0.68831	15
16	1905	Giants	105	48	0.68627	16
17	1919	Reds	96	44	0.68571	17
18	1912	Giants	103	48	0.68212	18
19	1943	Cards	105	49	0.68182	19
20	1944	Cards	105	49	0.68182	20
21	1953	Dodgers	105	49	0.68182	21
22	1910	A's	102	48	0.68000	22
23	1909	Cubs	104	49	0.67974	23
24	1910	Cubs	104	50	0.67532	24
25	1942	Dodgers	104	50	0.67532	25
26	1946	Red Sox	104	50	0.67532	26
27	1961	Yankees	109	53	0.67284	27
28	1969	Orioles	109	53	0.67284	28
29	1911	A's	101	50	0.66887	29
30	1915	Red Sox	101	50	0.66887	30
31	1942	Yankees	103	51	0.66883	31
32	1954	Yankees	103	51	0.66883	32
33	1936	Yankees	102	51	0.66667	32
34	1970	Orioles	108	54	0.66667	31
35	1975	Reds	108	54	0.66667	30
36	1986	Mets	108	54	0.66667	29
37	1913	Giants	101	51	0.66447	28
38	1930	A's	102	52	0.66234	27
39	1937	Yankees	102	52	0.66234	26
40	1903	Red Sox	91	47	0.65942	25
41	1928	Yankees	101	53	0.65584	24
42	1931	Cards	101	53	0.65584	23
43	1934	Tigers	101	53	0.65584	22
44	1941	Yankees	101	53	0.65584	21
45	1953	Yankees	99	52	0.65563	20
46	1998	Braves	106	56	0.65432	19
47	1940	Reds	100	53	0.65359	18
48	1914	A's	99	53	0.65132	17
49	1933	Sens	99	53	0.65132	16
50	1938	Yankees	99	53	0.65132	15
51	1918	Cubs	84	45	0.65116	14
52	1903	Pirates	91	49	0.65000	13
53	1915	Tigers	100	54	0.64935	12
54	1917	CHA	100	54	0.64935	11
55	1935	Cubs	100	54	0.64935	10
56	1941	Dodgers	100	54	0.64935	9
57	1994	Expos	74	40	0.64912	8
58	1901	Pirates	90	49	0.64748	7
59	1911	Giants	99	54	0.64706	6
60	1963	Yankees	104	57	0.64596	5
61	1909	Tigers	98	54	0.64474	4
62	1923	Yankees	98	54	0.64474	3
63	1929	Cubs	98	54	0.64474	2
64	1908	Cubs	99	55	0.64286	1

[congobeast]

This is an insanely ambitious project.
I'll certainly be following along...

[metsgeek]

WOW! What will your settings be? Are you importing the teams from Ankit's regular database, or his Normalized database?

As congobeast said earlier, I will certainly be following as well.

[woody5254]

Originally Posted by metsgeek

WOW! What will your settings be? Are you importing the teams from Ankit's regular database, or his Normalized database?

As congobeast said earlier, I will certainly be following as well.

I will be using Ankit's regular. I will allow each team to use a 3 man rotation to make it fair for the early teams. I will run the relieving right in the middle, normal. I will use present day League Settings to offset some of the advantages that a 3 man rotation will be for the older teams. It will be a difficult balancing act, and if I see a situation where the top older teams are all dominating and the modern dominate teams are all losing, then I may have to readjust my thinking. My experimental leagues seemed to turn out fair, so I am confident that things should work. If anyone notices anything odd, that seems to be a pattern as opposed to an anomaly, let me know.

[Dagrims]

I'm rooting for you to see this through to completion; it'll be awesome if you make it all the way through.

[woody5254]

Round #1/Group #1 Teams and Key Players have been posted. Feel free to make some predictions for who you see advancing in that thread:
Round 1/Group 1 Thread

[woody5254]

Here are the full settings I am using for the tourney, for those interested.

Rounds 1-5: 2 Leagues, 2 Divisions per league w/ 8 Teams in each. Top 8 teams in each league advance to next round. Ties will be broken by a 1 game playoff.

Round 6(Championship Round): 2 Leagues, 4 Divisions per league w/ 4 Teams in each. All 8 division winners advance to the championship playoff for a best of 7 tourney to decide the overall champion.

Basic Setup:
League Options:
Mode:Replay
Financials: Disabled
Coaches and Scouts: Disabled
Minors: Disabled

Financial Setup:
Trades: Disabled
40 Man Roster: Disabled
Waivers: Disabled

Engine Setup:
League Totals:
AB: 166737
Hits: 44057
2B: 8827
3B: 934
HR: 5207
BB: 15889
HBP: 1894
K: 30801

Era Settings:
Bunting: Normal
H & R: Normal
SB: Normal
PH: Normal
Relievers: Normal
Pitcher's Endurance: Normal
Rotation Size: 3

Home Field Advantage: Disabled

Misc Setup:
Injuries: Disabled
Player Position Fatigue: Disabled*
*Basically since this is a tourney, I wanted each team to be at full strength each game so I decided to disable fatigue.

[Matt from TN]

This sounds awesome. Best of luck! It's nice to see a league of yours back in this forum!

[woody5254]

Matt, Thanks. I plan on finishing this one

I lost my hard drive to a virus when I was doing Uniform History, and I lost all my excel files to it. To anyone that followed that league, they know how much I had in there

[woody5254]

Here is the first group to advance:

Year	Team	Wins	Losses
1925	Pirates	97	65
2000	Mets	96	66
1906	Cubs	94	68
1933	Pirates	94	68
1923	Giants	91	71
1956	Braves	91	71
1983	Yankees	88	74
1916	Red Sox	88	74
1976	Twins	88	74
1999	Rangers	86	76
1958	Yankees	84	78
1903	A's 	84	78
1964	Cards	84	78
1908	Cubs	82	80
1920	Reds	82	80
1904	Pirates	81	81

[seth70liz76]

Would it be possible to see the teams that did not advance as well?

edit: never mind, I see they are in the other thread.

[woody5254]

Round #1/Group #2 can be seen here:R1/G2

[Vris]

Uniform History was a phenomenal league Woody. You did work hard on it and I'm sorry to see you lost it all. This is an even more ambitious project and I hope you can finish it out.

[woody5254]

The following teams advanced from Round #1/Group #2

Year	Team	Wins	Losses
1902	Pirates	104	58
1934	Cards	100	62
1939	Cubs	98	64
1911	Red Sox	94	68
1954	Dodgers	93	69
1958	Braves	91	71
1923	Indians	91	71
1979	Royals	90	72
1936	Cubs	89	73
1931	Dodgers	89	73
1909	A's 	88	74
1998	Cubs	88	74
2000	Braves	87	75
1966	Orioles	86	76
1983	Dodgers	81	81
1941	CHA	79	83

[woody5254]

Round #1/Group #3 is now on the board. Check it out and make some predictions.

[spleen1015]

Paul, good luck man.

I have been working on something similar to this.

I created a bracket for all of the teams in history. I didn't exclude the teams under .500. I planned on playing 9 game series to determine who move on to the next round.

This is a much better idea. I'll definitely follow it.

[woody5254]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Paul, good luck man.

I have been working on something similar to this.

I created a bracket for all of the teams in history. I didn't exclude the teams under .500. I planned on playing 9 game series to determine who move on to the next round.

This is a much better idea. I'll definitely follow it.

Thanks, Matt.

I actually started seeding all the teams, but decided it would be a very difficult especially since most of those teams wouldn't advance in my full season format, so I decided to make .500 the cutoff to save a little time.

None of your real stud Oriole teams have come up yet, but with those pitching staffs they should do very well in this format one would think.

[spleen1015]

Where you've started is pretty much where you'd end up with using all of the teams when you reached the 1024 stage. There would probably be a few upsets here and there, but it's not enough to make a difference. This is a really good idea. Wish I had come up with it.

I saw the 1966 Orioles advance in Group 2. It will be a victory for me as long as one of the Yankees teams don't win it all.

[woody5254]

The following teams advance from Round #1/Group #3:

Year	Team	Wins	Losses
1933	Yankees	101	61
1927	Cubs	94	68
1993	Cubs	94	68
1925	A's 	91	71
1911	Pirates	89	73
2000	Cards	89	73
1926	Yankees	88	74
1996	Orioles	88	74
1923	Yankees	88	74
1935	Yankees	88	74
1983	Astros	88	74
1917	Tigers	88	74
1909	Pirates	86	76
1936	Cards	85	77
1993	Braves	85	77
1941	Red Sox	84	78