The Base Ball Life of Patrick O'Farrell: Hall of Fame Thread

[Big Six]

You'll have until Wednesday, William, so you'll be good to go.

Rough Bill is still on the ballot--I changed the rule, at least for now, and am leaving everyone on the ballot for the time being.

[John P. Yuda]

What happened to Irv Young? Also Dave Brain, Nap Lajoie and Simon Nicholls?

[William4192]

If at all possible, could you cut and past the bios to the new post? At least in the future, this would make things so much easier. Thanks!

[Big Six]

Oops, I suppose I accidentally left a few guys off. Thanks for spotting that, John! I'll fix that right away. I also forgot to add a newly eligible player, Rube Ellis.

And, while I'm at it, I can copy/paste the bios for the other holdovers, too. It won't be much trouble at all.

[Big Six]

So far, only three ballots have been cast for the 1927 Hall of Fame election. The balloting ends on Thursday, so please don't forget to vote!

[William4192]

PITCHERS

MORDECAI BROWN: 1903-1914
229-133, 2.43. All-time career leader in ERA. MOP, 1907 and 1908. Five-time All-Star. 48 shutouts. Six consecutive 20-win seasons. Blew out his elbow while he was still pitching effectively.

BILL BURNS: 1908-1920
245-179, 2.82. MOP, 1909 and 1912. Seven-time All-Star. Won 27 games in a season twice; at least 20 six times. 49 shutouts. Like Brown, suffered career-ending arm injury while he still had something left.

JACK CHESBRO: 1899-1912
240-158, 2.84. Five 20-win seasons, three after simulation began.


JEAN DUBUC: 1908-1922
255-194, 3.19. Won at least 20 games seven times. One of Cincinnati’s “Big Three” with Roy Hitt and Del Mason; won 2 Series and six pennants. MOP, 1913 (21-10, 2.03)



POSITION PLAYERS:


ROGER BRESNAHAN: 1897, 1900-1917
.301-63-922. Leads all catchers with 2052 hits. 1196 runs scored, 1030 walks. Eight-time All-Star. Three Slick Fielder awards at C.

BILL CARRIGAN: 1908-1922
.276-11-545. 1070 hits. Three-time All-Star. Leads all catchers with five Slick Fielder awards. Key member of Red Sox teams that won eight pennants and seven World Series.


BUCK HERZOG: 1908-1924
.314-34-1260. 2538 hits, 1576 runs scored, 1106 walks, 834 steals. NL MOB, 1918 (.370-3-117). 1918 NL batting champ; led league in OBP four times, OPS twice. Eleven All-Star appearances and three Slick Fielder awards at 2B. Played on Giants teams that won 5 World Series and 7 pennants.


NAP LAJOIE: 1896-1913
.335-75-1430. 2789 hits, 566 doubles. Three-time All-Star. Six Slick Fielder Awards.


GEORGE MORIARTY: 1903-1923.
.308-57-1042. 2798 hits, 1431 runs scored, 814 steals. MOB, 1911 (.368-7-123). Ten-time All-Star.

JIM NEALON: 1906-1923
.289-150-1460. 2662 hits. Third all-time in home runs; 6th in RBI. Seven-time All-Star. Won three home run titles and 2 RBI crowns.

[William4192]

I once again ask you to keep some of these guys on the ballot.

[Big Six]

Thanks for your ballot, William.

All the players who appeared on the first ballot will be on for a minimum of three years, through the 1928 election. After that, any player who hasn't been elected and who hasn't received a vote in one of the three elections will be dropped from the ballot.

Beginning in 1929, a player will need to keep receiving at least 5% of the vote each year to remain on the ballot.

[Carlton]

Dubuc
Lajoie
Baker
Mordecai brown
Bill Otey

Sorry I missed the 1st vote

[William4192]

Big Six,

I edited my list due to having 11 guys on there instead of 10. Thanks!

[Big Six]

Thanks, Carlton!

I didn't even notice, William. Thanks for fixing it, though.

[Big Six]

One last request for Hall of Fame ballots: the 1927 election will end tomorrow night, so if you've been thinking of casting a ballot, please don't wait too long!

Thanks!

[kenyan_cheena]

Here's my ballot for 1927, Big Six.

Pitchers

Mordecai Brown, Jack Coombs, Jean Dubuc, George Mullin, Lefty Leifield

Position Players

Frank Baker, Roger Bresnahan, Charlie Johnson, Nap Lajoie, Clyde Milan

[Big Six]

Wow, when it rains, it pours! A deluge of last-minute ballots resulted in an even bigger turnout of Hall of Fame voters in 1927 than there was in 1926. Eleven ballots were submitted, which meant that nine votes were required for election to the Hall. This year, some voters did not use all ten slots on their ballot.

Here are the final tallies:

Nap Lajoie: 11
Mordecai Brown: 11
Roger Bresnahan: 9
Willie Keeler: 9
George Moriarty: 9
Bill Burns: 8
Buck Herzog: 8
Ginger Beaumont: 7
Frank Baker: 6
Jean Dubuc: 5
Jim Nealon: 3
Simon Nicholls: 3
Bill Carrigan: 2
Jack Coombs: 2
Charlie Johnson: 2
Bill Otey: 2
Roy Castleton: 1
Jack Chesbro: 1
Tommy Leach: 1
Lefty Leifield: 1
Clyde Milan: 1
George Mullin: 1

Congratulations to the five newest members of the Hall of Fame!

[Big Six]

Here is the 1928 Hall of Fame ballot. This is the final year of eligibility for any of the players who appeared on the first ballot in 1925 and have not yet received any votes. If they do not receive support in the 1928 election, they will be removed from the ballot. These players will be marked with an asterisk.

Players who have now been retired for three years and are eligible for election to the Hall for the first time will be highlighted in red.

The 1928 election will close on Sunday, April 10.

Thanks for participating!

PITCHERS:

BILL BURNS: 1908-1920
245-179, 2.82. MOP, 1909 and 1912. Seven-time All-Star. Won 27 games in a season twice; at least 20 six times. 49 shutouts. Like Brown, suffered career-ending arm injury while he still had something left.

ROY CASTLETON: 1907-1924
247-200, 3.48. Castleton toiled for Yankees and Dodgers teams that were usually mediocre, but ran off a string of nine consecutive seasons with at least 18 victories, including five 20-win campaigns. American League MOP, 1917 (23-12, 2.98). Five All-Star selections.

JACK CHESBRO: 1899-1912
240-158, 2.84. Five 20-win seasons, three after simulation began.

JACK COOMBS: 1906-1921
236-163, 3.21. Won 20 or more games five times; Fractured Skull and Ruptured Disc Back cost him that milestone in 2 other seasons. Eight All-Star appearances. MOP, 1911 (26-12, 2.99).

JEAN DUBUC: 1908-1922
255-194, 3.19. Won at least 20 games seven times. One of Cincinnati’s “Big Three” with Roy Hitt and Del Mason; won 2 Series and six pennants. MOP, 1913 (21-10, 2.03)

ROY HITT: 1907-1925
337-260, 3.45. Third-winningest pitcher in major league history, behind Young and Mathewson. 3312 strikeouts, 2nd all time, trailing only Walter Johnson. NL MOP 1912 (29-6, 2.93 ERA) and 1914 (26-8, 2.32 ERA). Seven All-Star selections. Six seasons with more than 20 wins. Spent entire career with Cincinnati Reds; won 2 Series and six pennants. Career record hurt by weakness of Reds teams of 1920s.

LEFTY LEIFIELD: 1905-1919
227-172, 2,95. Four-time 20-game winner, with a then-NL record 29 wins in 1911. Four-time All-Star. Won two WS rings with Pirates.

GEORGE MULLIN: 1902-1921
277-237, 3.18. Won at least 20 games five times as ace of outstanding Detroit teams of the teens. One World Series ring.

BILL OTEY: 1907-1924
198-143, 3.55. "Steamboat Bill" holds the National League record for strikeouts in a season (362, 1915). He whiffed at least 300 batters in three consecutive seasons, 1913-1915, and barely missed making it five straight--he rang up 298 Ks in 1912 and 299 in 1916. Fourth all-time in strikeouts, with 2,421. NL MOP, 1918 (25-14, 3.28). Won a WS ring with the '07 Pirates. Six All-Star appearances. Three 20-win seasons, but he also won 19 games four times; his Pirates teams were usually not big winners.

* JACK POWELL: 1897-1911
261-230, 3.18. Pitched for subpar Browns teams most of his career. Won 20 or more games six times, three in the simulation.

TEX PRUIETT: 1907-1919
I accidentally omitted Tex from the first two ballots.
204-139, 3.02. Five times a 20-game winner for the Red Sox dynasty of the 'teens. Clutch performer on six pennant winners and five World Series champion teams. Five All-Star appearances. ERA champion in 1908 (2.02).

* IRV YOUNG: 1905-1918
230-201, 3.15. Won 20 or more games five times as ace of lousy Braves teams. MOP, 1909 (25-10, 2.57). Four All-Star appearances.

POSITION PLAYERS:

FRANK BAKER: 1908-1923
.283-63-1011. 2084 hits. Four-time All-Star. Won 11 Slick Fielder awards at 3B, a total unmatched by any other player at any position. Home run champion in 1911 with 14.

GINGER BEAUMONT: 1899-1916
.325-49-1034. 2849 hits. MOB, 1914 (.377-1-87). Five All-Star appearances. Holds NL record for hits in a season with 222. Won World Series with Pirates in 1905.

* DAVE BRAIN: 1901, 1903-1917
.279-55-989. 2155 hits. Five Slick Fielder awards at 3B. Four-time All-Star.

DONIE BUSH: 1908-1924
.301-45-953. 2161 runs, 1215 runs scored, 1124 walks. Six-time All-Star on strong Tigers teams. Three Slick Fielder awards at short.

VIN CAMPBELL: 1908-1925
.324-45-968. 2106 hits, 943 runs scored. .794 career OPS. Star 2B with Cubs and Phillies, a 4-time All-Star.

BILL CARRIGAN: 1908-1922
.276-11-545. 1070 hits. Three-time All-Star. Leads all catchers with five Slick Fielder awards. Key member of Red Sox teams that won eight pennants and seven World Series.

TED EASTERLY: 1909-1922
.321-9-643. Lifetime average is best among catchers. 1411 hits. Four All-Star selections. Won 3 World Series with Giants of late 10s/early 20s.

RUBE ELLIS: 1909-1924
.314-24-820. 2037 hits, 1054 runs scored, 530 stolen bases. NL MOB, 1917 (.338-5-79; led league in BA, SLG). Four All-Star selections and two Slick Fielder Awards in the outfield. Spent entire career with Cardinals; won two pennants and 1923 WS with them.

DEL GAINER: 1909-1925
.314-46-1016. 1998 hits. Hard-hitting first baseman; made seven All-Star teams as key member of powerful Tigers teams. Placed in the top 10 in RBI for eight consecutive seasons in the 1910s.

BUCK HERZOG: 1908-1924
.314-34-1260. 2538 hits, 1576 runs scored, 1106 walks, 834 steals. NL MOB, 1918 (.370-3-117). 1918 NL batting champ; led league in OBP four times, OPS twice. Eleven All-Star appearances and three Slick Fielder awards at 2B. Played on Giants teams that won 5 World Series and 7 pennants.

* CHARLIE HICKMAN: 1897-1914
.295-81-1081. 2122 hits. Two-time All-Star. One Slick Fielder award at 1B. One WS championship and several pennants with Reds teams of the teens.

CHARLIE “HOME RUN” JOHNSON: 1908-1923
.311-53-915. 2072 hits. A broken knee ended his career prematurely; he had hit over .320 for four consecutive seasons. Six All-Star appearances, and a Slick Fielder award in CF.

TOMMY LEACH: 1898-1916
.295-63-1160. 2684 hits, 1428 runs scored. Six All-Star appearances. Won WS rings with Pirates in 1905 and 1907.

FRED LUDERUS: 1909-1925
.329-59-926. 2062 hits. Batting average is 11th best all-time. Five All-Star selections. AL MOB, 1919 (.379-3-102, 2nd with .911 OPS)

TOMMY McMILLAN: 1908-1924
.294-20-743. 2344 hits, 1306 runs scored, 647 steals. Excellent glove man--won 5 NL Slick Fielder awards at short during his career with the Dodgers and Reds. 3 All-Star appearances. Starred on 1915 Reds NL championship team.

BENNY MEYER: 1913-1925
.273-92-694. 1470 hits. 417 stolen bases--more than twice as many as any other catcher. Two-time All-Star. 1916 home run champion with 10.

CLYDE MILAN: 1907-1923
.282-62-942. 2161 hits, 1197 runs scored, 540 steals. Three All-Star appearances. Two Slick Fielder awards in CF.

MIKE MITCHELL: 1907-1919
.308-27-821. 2029 hits, 982 runs scored, 458 steals. Key member of six NL pennant winning Reds teams; won two WS rings. Four All-Star selections. Two Slick Fielder awards in RF.

* RED MURRAY: 1906-1923
.294-75-1007. 2299 hits, 1119 runs scored. Three All-Star appearances.

JIM NEALON: 1906-1923
.289-150-1460. 2662 hits. Third all-time in home runs; 6th in RBI. Seven-time All-Star. Won three home run titles and 2 RBI crowns.

SIMON NICHOLLS: 1903, 1906-1923
.296-118-1127. 2674 hits. 1270 runs scored. Seventh all-time in home runs, in top ten in homers seven times. Four-time All-Star. One Slick Fielder award at SS.

* CLAUDE RITCHEY: 1897-1913
.295-31-1061. 2436 hits, 1127 runs scored. Three-time All-Star, with one Slick Fielder award at 2B.

* FRANK SCHULTE: 1904-1918
.292-94-1010. 2036 hits. Five-time All-Star. Five Slick Fielder awards.

* SYD SMITH: 1908-1923
.301-45-707. 1541 hits. Four-time All-Star catcher.

HEINIE ZIMMERMANN: 1907-1925
.323-13-826. 1913 hits. Became a regular player late in his career, but then ran off a string of five seasons in which he never hit less than .310. Hit better than .330 ten times. Two-time All-Star.

[William4192]

On some of these guys, like Syd Smith, I'd really like to know where they stand compared to other catchers. I know this might be some work for you and it would not be necessary for all players. Smith has "only" 1500 hits, but Johnny Bench (in real life) had "only" 2,000. Just a thought.

[William4192]

PITCHERS:

BILL BURNS: 1908-1920
245-179, 2.82. MOP, 1909 and 1912. Seven-time All-Star. Won 27 games in a season twice; at least 20 six times. 49 shutouts. Like Brown, suffered career-ending arm injury while he still had something left.

JACK CHESBRO: 1899-1912
240-158, 2.84. Five 20-win seasons, three after simulation began.

JACK COOMBS: 1906-1921
236-163, 3.21. Won 20 or more games five times; Fractured Skull and Ruptured Disc Back cost him that milestone in 2 other seasons. Eight All-Star appearances. MOP, 1911 (26-12, 2.99).

JEAN DUBUC: 1908-1922
255-194, 3.19. Won at least 20 games seven times. One of Cincinnati’s “Big Three” with Roy Hitt and Del Mason; won 2 Series and six pennants. MOP, 1913 (21-10, 2.03)

* JACK POWELL: 1897-1911
261-230, 3.18. Pitched for subpar Browns teams most of his career. Won 20 or more games six times, three in the simulation.


POSITION PLAYERS:

BUCK HERZOG: 1908-1924
.314-34-1260. 2538 hits, 1576 runs scored, 1106 walks, 834 steals. NL MOB, 1918 (.370-3-117). 1918 NL batting champ; led league in OBP four times, OPS twice. Eleven All-Star appearances and three Slick Fielder awards at 2B. Played on Giants teams that won 5 World Series and 7 pennants.


JIM NEALON: 1906-1923
.289-150-1460. 2662 hits. Third all-time in home runs; 6th in RBI. Seven-time All-Star. Won three home run titles and 2 RBI crowns.

* CLAUDE RITCHEY: 1897-1913
.295-31-1061. 2436 hits, 1127 runs scored. Three-time All-Star, with one Slick Fielder award at 2B.

* FRANK SCHULTE: 1904-1918
.292-94-1010. 2036 hits. Five-time All-Star. Five Slick Fielder awards.

* SYD SMITH: 1908-1923
.301-45-707. 1541 hits. Four-time All-Star catcher.

[NCBeachBum]

Originally Posted by William4192

On some of these guys, like Syd Smith, I'd really like to know where they stand compared to other catchers. I know this might be some work for you and it would not be necessary for all players. Smith has "only" 1500 hits, but Johnny Bench (in real life) had "only" 2,000. Just a thought.

I, too, have thought of that. If by any chance you've been Cato-ing the league, perhaps you could get the file hosted somewhere to give us the ability to make more informed choices?

[Jestor]

Argh, I can't believe I forgot to vote in last year's election. Ginger got robbed again I see

[Big Six]

I wish I'd done Catobase for this league. I didn't know about it when I started, unfortunately.

If I can find the time in the next couple days, I'd be glad to answer any questions about how some of these guys stand. I'll do Smith and the catchers, since he's the first one you mentioned, William.

I'm a little surprised Beaumont isn't in yet myself, Jestor. (I voted for him in 1926 and 1927 myself.)