The Base Ball Life of Patrick O'Farrell: Hall of Fame Thread

[rangerforlife]

Now you've done it - the research bug has bitten me. Here's the rest of the list from 1936:
†Nap Lajoie - 146
†Tris Speaker - 133
†Cy Young - 111
†Rogers Hornsby - 105
†Mickey Cochrane - 80
†George Sisler - 77
†Eddie Collins - 60
†Jimmy Collins - 58
†Grover Cleveland Alexander - 55
†Lou Gehrig - 51
†Roger Bresnahan - 47
†Willie Keeler - 40
†Rube Waddell - 33
†Jimmie Foxx - 21
†Ed Walsh - 20
†Ed Delahanty - 17
†Pie Traynor - 16
†Frankie Frisch - 14
†Lefty Grove - 12
Hal Chase - 11
†Ross Youngs - 10
†Bill Terry - 9
†Johnny Kling - 8
†Lou Criger - 7
†Mordecai Brown - 6
†Johnny Evers - 6
Frank Chance - 5
John McGraw - 4
†Ray Schalk - 4
†Al Simmons - 4
†Chief Bender - 2
Joe Jackson - 2
†Edd Roush - 2
Frank Baker - 1
†Bill Bradley - 1
Fred Clarke - 1
Sam Crawford - 1
Kid Elberfeld - 1
Connie Mack - 1
†Rube Marquard - 1
Nap Rucker - 1
†Dazzy Vance - 1
†Charlie Gehringer - 0
†Gabby Hartnett - 0
†Billy Sullivan - 0

[Big Six]

Thanks for the ballot, Ranger. There are a couple other voters like you, and a couple who always use all 10 slots. That's one of the things that makes this cool.

I can't imagine ANYONE filling out a ballot without any of the five immortals. The guys who left off Cobb almost certainly voted for at least one of the others; the ones who didn't say "yes" to Ruth probably picked Cobb, or Matty, etc.

Look how many active players got votes in the first election! Gehrig, Cochrane, Frisch, Grove...wow! If I ever knew that I'd forgotten it.

[rangerforlife]

Originally Posted by Big Six

Thanks for the ballot, Ranger. There are a couple other voters like you, and a couple who always use all 10 slots. That's one of the things that makes this cool.

Glad to participate. It's the least I can do...

[Tomootp]

PITCHERS:

GROVER ALEXANDER: 1915-1927
RUBE MARQUARD: 1908-1927
HARRY MORAN: 1913-1927
JACK POWELL: 1897-1911
CHUCK ROSE: 1911-1927

POSITION PLAYERS:

EDDIE COLLINS: 1906-1927
BILL CUNNINGHAM: 1910-1926
TOMMY McMILLAN: 1908-1924
SANDY PIEZ: 1914-1927
TRIS SPEAKER: 1907-1927

[zachniv]

PITCHERS:

GROVER ALEXANDER: 1915-1927
289-183, 3.15. Ten seasons with at least 20 wins, including seven in a row from 1920-26. MOP in 1921 (26-11, 2.97). Eight All-Star selections. Threw a no-hitter in 1916, and won a ring the same season with ffice:smarttags" />lace w:st="on">Detroitlace>. Won strikeout crown 8 times, and finished career with 2996 Ks (4th among retired pitchers). His 1.63 ERA in 1915 is the best single-season mark of all time.fficeffice" />>>

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ROY CASTLETON: 1907-1924
247-200, 3.48. Castleton toiled for Yankees and Dodgers teams that were usually mediocre, but ran off a string of nine consecutive seasons with at least 18 victories, including five 20-win campaigns. American League MOP, 1917 (23-12, 2.98). Five All-Star selections.>>

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RUBE MARQUARD: 1908-1927
306-171, 3.26. Three-time MOP (1917, 1919, 1922) who set a National League record with 30 victories in 1922. Made 12 All-Star teams. Won at least 20 games nine times, and had 3 19-win seasons. Won four ERA titles. Ace of World Series-winning Giants teams in 1917 , 1921, and 1922.>>

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BERT SINCOCK: 1908-1927
45-37, 3.30, 106 saves. The first great relief pitcher in major league history, Sincock holds the all-time saves record. A seven-time All-Star who led the league in saves seven times. Holds the National League record for saves in a season with 15. Spent his entire career with the Reds, as part of the great staff that led them to pennants and World Series triumphs in the 1910s.>>

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POSITION PLAYERS:>>

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EDDIE COLLINS: 1906-1927
.305-24-837. 1946 hits. 975 runs scored, 343 steals. Made seven All-Star teams as a shortstop for lace w:st="on">Philadelphialace> teams in the 1910s. Won three Slick Fielder awards.>>

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TED EASTERLY: 1909-1922
.321-9-643. Lifetime average is best among catchers. 1411 hits. Four All-Star selections. Won 3 World Series with Giants of late 10s/early 20s.>>

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TRIS SPEAKER: 1907-1927
.312-91-1538. 3088 hits; 639 doubles; 245 triples; 1617 runs scored; 638 steals. Ranks in top ten in most offensive categories. Won two MOB awards (1914, 1915). Nine times an All-Star. Greatest defensive outfielder of all time; won 14 Slick Fielder awards, now the most in history. His 38-game hitting streak in 1911 and 1912 is the longest of all time. Won batting titles in 1912 (.372) and 1915 (.375), and hit .384 in 1914. Won nine World Series with the Red Sox.

[Big Six]

Thanks for the ballots, Zach and Tom. It's great to see some new voters joining in.

[Big Six]

The Hall of Fame for Pat O'Farrell's universe is open once again!

The server disaster wiped out the posts containing the results of the 1930 and 1931 elections, as well as a listing of all the Hall of Famers with their career statistics. Fortunately, for once I planned ahead and wrote the HoF list in Word, so it survived the crash. I'll repost it very soon.

For now, I want to get the 1932 balloting underway. There are a number of interesting players making their first appearance on the ballot this year, including one of the greatest pitchers of all time.

The balloting will close on Friday, November 4. The rules appear at the top of this thread; they haven't changed, so if you're a veteran voter, just do it like you've been doing it.

Thanks in advance for your votes! You may send them to me in a private message, or post them in this forum.

Here are the players on this year's ballot:

PITCHERS:

ROY CASTLETON: 1907-1924
247-200, 3.48. Toiled for Yankees and Dodgers teams that were usually mediocre, but ran off a string of nine consecutive seasons with at least 18 victories, including five 20-win campaigns. American League MOP, 1917 (23-12, 2.98). Five All-Star selections.

JACK CHESBRO: 1899-1912
240-158, 2.84. Five 20-win seasons, three after simulation began.

JACK COOMBS: 1906-1921
236-163, 3.21. Won 20 or more games five times; Fractured Skull and Ruptured Disc Back cost him that milestone in 2 other seasons. Eight All-Star appearances. MOP, 1911 (26-12, 2.99).

FRITZ COUMBE: 1917-1929
148-106, 4.06. 42 saves. Began career as star reliever, setting record for most saves in a season with 18 for 1919 Red Sox. After trade to Giants, became a starter who won 20 or more games twice. Made 3 All-Star teams and won 3 WS rings.

GEORGE DAUSS: 1912-1929
204-114, 3.44. Winning percentage of .642 is best all-time among 200-game winners. 1269 K, only 467 walks in 2907 innings. Four-time All-Star who won at least 20 games for Red Sox in 5 consecutive seasons, 1922-1926. Three World Series rings.

WALTER JOHNSON: 1907-1929
313-266, 3.44. All-time major league strikeout king, with 4179. Walked only 1318 batters in 5526 innings. Seventh all time in career wins. 37 career shutouts. Won at least 20 games seven times, spending much of his career with mediocre Senators teams. 1916 MOP (26-11, 2.02, 325 K). Seven All-Star appearances and two World Series wins with Red Sox, after famous trade for Hall of Famer Chuck Rose. Pitched no-hitter in 1924.

GEORGE MULLIN: 1902-1921
277-237, 3.18. Won at least 20 games five times as ace of outstanding Detroit teams of the teens. One World Series ring.

JACK POWELL: 1897-1911
261-230, 3.18. Pitched for subpar Browns teams most of his career. Won 20 or more games six times, three in the simulation.

TEX PRUIETT: 1907-1919
204-139, 3.02. Five times a 20-game winner for the Red Sox dynasty of the 'teens. Clutch performer on six pennant winners and five World Series champion teams. Five All-Star appearances. ERA champion in 1908 (2.02).

EPPA RIXEY: 1912-1928
227-182, 3.65. 2090 strikeouts, 801 walks, 1.26 WHIP. Spent his entire career on Phillies teams that were typically mediocre, recording three 20-win seasons. Battled through injuries throughout much of his career. Threw a no-hitter in 1924, and made two all-star teams.

HAL SCHWENK: 1915-1929
211-217, 3.92. 1725 strikeouts, 1045 walks. Pitched for truly lousy Browns teams that were considerably below .500 when Schwenk wasn’t on the hill. Made two All-Star teams; won 20 or more games 3 times. Workhorse who was in AL top 10 in innings pitched seven times.

BERT SINCOCK: 1908-1927
45-37, 3.30, 106 saves. The first great relief pitcher in major league history, Sincock holds the all-time saves record. A seven-time All-Star who led the league in saves seven times. Holds the National League record for saves in a season with 15. Spent his entire career with the Reds, as part of the great staff that led them to pennants and World Series triumphs in the 1910s.

JEFF TESREAU: 1912-1927
240-161, 3.77. Won 20 or more games in eight consecutive seasons, 1914-1921. A seven-time All-Star who also enjoyed success as a reliever late in his career, saving 13 games. Won three World Series with the Giants.


POSITION PLAYERS:

EARL BLACKBURN: 1914-1929
.301-51-743. 1599 hits, 737 runs scored, 241 doubles. 6th among all catchers in career hits. Spent entire career with Pirates, winning 2 Slick Fielder awards and making the All-Star team twice.

EDDIE COLLINS: 1906-1927
.305-24-837. 1946 hits. 975 runs scored, 343 steals. Made seven All-Star teams as a shortstop for Philadelphia teams in the 1910s. Won three Slick Fielder awards.

LARRY DOYLE: 1907-1926
.300-89-1052. 2429 hits, 1217 runs scored. Five times an All-Star with the White Sox. Won a Series ring with the '08 Giants. Three Slick Fielder awards at 2B.

TED EASTERLY: 1909-1922
.321-9-643. Lifetime average is best among catchers. 1411 hits. Four All-Star selections. Won 3 World Series with Giants of late 10s/early 20s.

CHARLIE JAMIESON: 1915-1929
.332-19-945. 2201 hits, 900 runs scored, 355 doubles. Lifetime OBP of .372. Only 5 retired players have higher career average; all are Hall of Famers (Cobb, Keeler, Wagner, Lajoie, Jackson.) Made 3 All-Star teams in career split between Senators and Cubs. Five Slick Fielder awards.

RAY JANSEN: 1910-1929
.309-41-588. 1498 hits, 487 runs scored. Well-traveled but consistent third baseman who made two All-Star teams with Red Sox in mid-teens. Member of three WS champion teams. Hit over .300 eleven times, occasionally as a platoon player. Third among retired 3B in lifetime average, trailing HOFers Tillie Shafer and Buck Herzog.

TOMMY LEACH: 1898-1916
.295-63-1160. 2684 hits, 1428 runs scored. Six All-Star appearances. Won WS rings with Pirates in 1905 and 1907.

FRED LUDERUS: 1909-1925
.329-59-926. 2062 hits. Batting average is 11th best all-time. Five All-Star selections. AL MOB, 1919 (.379-3-102, 2nd with .911 OPS)

RED McKEE: 1913-1927
.310-138-1157. 1847 hits, third among retired catchers. 1173 runs scored, 1108 walks. Eight-time All-Star; spent entire career with strong Detroit teams. Won two Slick Fielder awards and hit double figures in homers 7 times in the 1920s, including over 20 twice. Career OBP of .414.

TOMMY McMILLAN: 1908-1924
.294-20-743. 2344 hits, 1306 runs scored, 647 steals. Excellent glove man--won 5 NL Slick Fielder awards at short during his career with the Dodgers and Reds. 3 All-Star appearances. Starred on 1915 Reds NL championship team.

WALT MEINERT: 1915-1929
.313-29-460. 1471 hits, 746 runs scored. Lifetime OBP of .382. Leadoff man for Browns, Red Sox, and Senators who batted over .335 four times. Won two Slick Fielder awards and made the All-Star team twice.

SIMON NICHOLLS: 1903, 1906-1923
.296-118-1127. 2674 hits. 1270 runs scored. Finished in top ten in homers seven times. Four-time All-Star. One Slick Fielder award at SS.

SANDY PIEZ: 1914-1927
.320-39-744. 2261 hits; 1220 runs scored; 952 stolen bases. Won four World Series rings with Giants and made four All-Star teams. Led National League in stolen bases four times; holds major league record for steals in a single season with 110 (1918). Won three American League steals crowns after trade to Browns.

JACK ROCHE: 1914-1929
.314-40-724. 1532 hits, 252 doubles, 78 triples. Only one catcher who is eligible for HOF has a higher lifetime average (Easterly). Starred for fine Cardinals teams that won 3 World Series titles with Roche behind the plate. Made National League All-Star squad 5 times. Also a fine defensive catcher, with 4 Slick Fielder awards.

BUCK WEAVER: 1912-1929
.299-91-812. 2265 hits, 1191 runs scored, 326 doubles, 151 triples, 545 stolen bases. Fixture at shortstop for White Sox; made 4 All-Star teams. Won 2 Slick Fielder awards. Hit safely in 43 straight games in 1920 for a major league record.

KEN WILLIAMS: 1920-1929
.318-128-741. 1346 hits, 254 doubles, 733 runs scored. Slugged .503 lifetime. Began career at age 29; career totals reflect this late start. 1920 Rookie of the Year. Four-time NL All-Star with Phillies. Three Slick Fielder awards.

Thanks again for taking part in the election!

[thebigUNIT]

ROY CASTLETON: 1907-1924
247-200, 3.48. Toiled for Yankees and Dodgers teams that were usually mediocre, but ran off a string of nine consecutive seasons with at least 18 victories, including five 20-win campaigns. American League MOP, 1917 (23-12, 2.98). Five All-Star selections.

JACK CHESBRO: 1899-1912
240-158, 2.84. Five 20-win seasons, three after simulation began.

JACK COOMBS: 1906-1921
236-163, 3.21. Won 20 or more games five times; Fractured Skull and Ruptured Disc Back cost him that milestone in 2 other seasons. Eight All-Star appearances. MOP, 1911 (26-12, 2.99).

WALTER JOHNSON: 1907-1929
313-266, 3.44. All-time major league strikeout king, with 4179. Walked only 1318 batters in 5526 innings. Seventh all time in career wins. 37 career shutouts. Won at least 20 games seven times, spending much of his career with mediocre Senators teams. 1916 MOP (26-11, 2.02, 325 K). Seven All-Star appearances and two World Series wins with Red Sox, after famous trade for Hall of Famer Chuck Rose. Pitched no-hitter in 1924.

GEORGE MULLIN: 1902-1921
277-237, 3.18. Won at least 20 games five times as ace of outstanding Detroit teams of the teens. One World Series ring.

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EDDIE COLLINS: 1906-1927
.305-24-837. 1946 hits. 975 runs scored, 343 steals. Made seven All-Star teams as a shortstop for Philadelphia teams in the 1910s. Won three Slick Fielder awards.

CHARLIE JAMIESON: 1915-1929
.332-19-945. 2201 hits, 900 runs scored, 355 doubles. Lifetime OBP of .372. Only 5 retired players have higher career average; all are Hall of Famers (Cobb, Keeler, Wagner, Lajoie, Jackson.) Made 3 All-Star teams in career split between Senators and Cubs. Five Slick Fielder awards.

FRED LUDERUS: 1909-1925
.329-59-926. 2062 hits. Batting average is 11th best all-time. Five All-Star selections. AL MOB, 1919 (.379-3-102, 2nd with .911 OPS)

SANDY PIEZ: 1914-1927
.320-39-744. 2261 hits; 1220 runs scored; 952 stolen bases. Won four World Series rings with Giants and made four All-Star teams. Led National League in stolen bases four times; holds major league record for steals in a single season with 110 (1918). Won three American League steals crowns after trade to Browns.

BUCK WEAVER: 1912-1929
.299-91-812. 2265 hits, 1191 runs scored, 326 doubles, 151 triples, 545 stolen bases. Fixture at shortstop for White Sox; made 4 All-Star teams. Won 2 Slick Fielder awards. Hit safely in 43 straight games in 1920 for a major league record.

[Jestor]

Roy Castleton
Walter Johnson
Tex Pruiett
Bert Sincock
Jeff Tesreau

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Ted Easterly
Charlie Jamieson
Ray Jansen
Sandy Piez
Jack Roche

Tough class to decide between, especially with three great catchers. Easterly is somebody I have a soft sport for, because if I remember right, I keep voting for him and he keeps falling short. So I'm determined to get him in, gosh darn it.

[Y0DA55]

Ballot sent

[liamdaly]

Johnson
Mullin
Rose
Leach
Nicholls
Piez
Jamieson
Weaver

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by Jestor

Tough class to decide between, especially with three great catchers. Easterly is somebody I have a soft sport for, because if I remember right, I keep voting for him and he keeps falling short. So I'm determined to get him in, gosh darn it.

I think Easterly is a great candidate. I've voted for him four times myself. He didn't have a long career, but he was a catcher, and a very productive one. He hit, he fielded, and his teams won.

[Big Six]

Unit, Yoda, and Liam: Thanks for the ballots! I am looking forward to a new record for ballots cast in one election. It's more fun when lots of people join in.

[William4192]

PITCHERS:

WALTER JOHNSON: 1907-1929
313-266, 3.44. All-time major league strikeout king, with 4179. Walked only 1318 batters in 5526 innings. Seventh all time in career wins. 37 career shutouts. Won at least 20 games seven times, spending much of his career with mediocre Senators teams. 1916 MOP (26-11, 2.02, 325 K). Seven All-Star appearances and two World Series wins with Red Sox, after famous trade for Hall of Famer Chuck Rose. Pitched no-hitter in 1924.

GEORGE MULLIN: 1902-1921
277-237, 3.18. Won at least 20 games five times as ace of outstanding Detroit teams of the teens. One World Series ring.

JACK POWELL: 1897-1911
261-230, 3.18. Pitched for subpar Browns teams most of his career. Won 20 or more games six times, three in the simulation.


BERT SINCOCK: 1908-1927
45-37, 3.30, 106 saves. The first great relief pitcher in major league history, Sincock holds the all-time saves record. A seven-time All-Star who led the league in saves seven times. Holds the National League record for saves in a season with 15. Spent his entire career with the Reds, as part of the great staff that led them to pennants and World Series triumphs in the 1910s.


POSITION PLAYERS:



LARRY DOYLE: 1907-1926
.300-89-1052. 2429 hits, 1217 runs scored. Five times an All-Star with the White Sox. Won a Series ring with the '08 Giants. Three Slick Fielder awards at 2B.

TED EASTERLY: 1909-1922
.321-9-643. Lifetime average is best among catchers. 1411 hits. Four All-Star selections. Won 3 World Series with Giants of late 10s/early 20s.



TOMMY LEACH: 1898-1916
.295-63-1160. 2684 hits, 1428 runs scored. Six All-Star appearances. Won WS rings with Pirates in 1905 and 1907.



SIMON NICHOLLS: 1903, 1906-1923
.296-118-1127. 2674 hits. 1270 runs scored. Finished in top ten in homers seven times. Four-time All-Star. One Slick Fielder award at SS.

SANDY PIEZ: 1914-1927
.320-39-744. 2261 hits; 1220 runs scored; 952 stolen bases. Won four World Series rings with Giants and made four All-Star teams. Led National League in stolen bases four times; holds major league record for steals in a single season with 110 (1918). Won three American League steals crowns after trade to Browns.

BUCK WEAVER: 1912-1929
.299-91-812. 2265 hits, 1191 runs scored, 326 doubles, 151 triples, 545 stolen bases. Fixture at shortstop for White Sox; made 4 All-Star teams. Won 2 Slick Fielder awards. Hit safely in 43 straight games in 1920 for a major league record.

[Big Six]

Thanks for the ballot, William. I can already tell that a few of these guys will probably end up right on the borderline.

The 1933 class will be HUGE, and there are at least three big stars among the first-time eligibles: Joe Wood, Eddie Murphy, and Rabbit Maranville. The 1934 class, however, looks like it will be the weakest we've seen yet. The challenge for some guys who don't make it this year might be gaining enough support on the 1933 ballot to remain eligible for '34.

[William4192]

A few of these guys are a little questionable. Players don't seem to be getting the numbers HOF voters look for (3,000, 500, 300 etc.). Some fine numbers considering the norm in the league though.

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by William4192

A few of these guys are a little questionable. Players don't seem to be getting the numbers HOF voters look for (3,000, 500, 300 etc.). Some fine numbers considering the norm in the league though.

Here's a quick list of all the players in Pat's universe that have reached those milestones:

3000 HITS: Ty Cobb (3840), Pat O'Farrell (3668), Joe Jackson (3142), Eddie Murphy (3132), Willie Keeler (3115), Tris Speaker (3088), and Sam Crawford (3077).

All of the members of the 3000 hit club are in the Hall, except for Murphy, who retired in 1930 and will be eligible for induction in 1933.

500 HOME RUNS: Babe Ruth (589). The next closest is Oscar Charleston (369), and then Lou Gehrig (261).

All three players are still active. Ruth was the only man with 500 homers in "real" baseball in 1932, too.

300 WINS: Cy Young (441), Pol Perritt (386), Joe Wood (350), Christy Mathewson (340), Roy Hitt (337), Addie Joss (325), Walter Johnson (313), Rube Marquard (306), and Del Mason (305).

Perritt isn't in the Hall, because he's still active. Wood and Johnson aren't eligible yet, although the Big Train is on this year's ballot.

I would have to look, but at first glance it seems that there are about as many players with 3000 hits, 500 homers, and 300 wins in Pat's universe, as of 1932, as there were in the "real" major leagues.

[William4192]

Thanks Big Six. That list is very helpful.

[jeheinz72]

Here's my ballot, hope it's not too late

W. Johnson
Coombs
L. Doyle
Jamieson
McMillan
Sincock
Leach
Nicholls

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Here's my ballot, hope it's not too late

W. Johnson
Coombs
L. Doyle
Jamieson
McMillan
Sincock
Leach
Nicholls

Not at all, John! Thanks for the ballot. I'll probably end the voting this Friday.