PBP-Knukleball ??

golander40 · 04-22-2010, 07:08 PM

It seems to me that the PBP has Way to many references to the Knuckle Ball,especially for pitchers that Rarely or ever really used the "Knuckler"
For Wilhelm Etc fine---But for guys like Virgil Trucks and many others that rarely or ever used the pitch--they are throwing one every other pitch (slight exaggeration

)
Thanks
Gil The Ancient One

Charlie Hough · 04-22-2010, 08:00 PM

This is because the game assigns pitch types randomly for all pitchers. So quite a number may have the knuckleball as one of the pitches they throw. And this would explain the frequency of mentions in the PBP. I'm an advocate of using the Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers as the basis for a historical file that will assign the real life pitch types to players according to history.

pstrickert · 04-22-2010, 08:47 PM

Real pitch repertoires were included in OOTPX. Not 11?

skunkle333 · 04-25-2010, 09:56 AM

I knew there was some kind of problem. I'm just going to use DMB's real life pitch data. Easier to access. They used the resource mentioned amongst others.

golander40 · 04-25-2010, 02:12 PM

Why in the world wouldn't the work done for 10 be used in 11 ??
Thanks
Gil The Ancient One

pstrickert · 04-26-2010, 01:56 AM

OOTP11 does include accurate pitch types for historical pitchers. It has been confirmed.

Charlie Hough · 04-28-2010, 05:38 PM

Okay, sorry for the misinformation then. I only owned OOTPX very briefly before OOTP11 was released. But is the real life pitch data accurate for ALL historical pitchers in the entire database? Or is it only for well-known players?

pstrickert · 04-28-2010, 06:39 PM

PM BMW for details. He's the one who added the data.

skunkle333 · 05-20-2010, 03:27 PM

Just last week I got the Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers book at Ebay. Ton's of data of 100's of pitchers actual pitches etc.

PLUS...there is this Neyer/James site that gives a great deal more Pitcher's pitches data as updates along with a few corrections. Great Stuff.

The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers

Also contains data about purchasing the book. Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. Learned about this from a friend at another baseball gaming forum.

Essential stuff.

OOTP 11...what a blast for baseball fans...

golander40 · 05-21-2010, 12:20 AM

Thanks much,never saw the info before.Lots of interesting stuff.
Nowwwww back to my player editor

Thanks
Gil The Ancient One

BMW · 05-29-2010, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pstrickert

PM BMW for details. He's the one who added the data.

I put a lot of documentation for the pitches in one thread here: Raw Historical Pitch Data for MLB

04-22-2010, 07:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 309 Thanks: 498 Thanked 36x in 28 posts	PBP-Knukleball ?? It seems to me that the PBP has Way to many references to the Knuckle Ball,especially for pitchers that Rarely or ever really used the "Knuckler" For Wilhelm Etc fine---But for guys like Virgil Trucks and many others that rarely or ever used the pitch--they are throwing one every other pitch (slight exaggeration ) Thanks Gil The Ancient One

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golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 309 Thanks: 498 Thanked 36x in 28 posts	Why in the World Why in the world wouldn't the work done for 10 be used in 11 ?? Thanks Gil The Ancient One

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skunkle333 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2006 Location: St. Louis metro area...IL side. Posts: 287 Thanks: 85 Thanked 43x in 27 posts	Just last week I got the Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers book at Ebay. Ton's of data of 100's of pitchers actual pitches etc. PLUS...there is this Neyer/James site that gives a great deal more Pitcher's pitches data as updates along with a few corrections. Great Stuff. The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers Also contains data about purchasing the book. Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. Learned about this from a friend at another baseball gaming forum. Essential stuff. OOTP 11...what a blast for baseball fans... __________________ Today is the first day of the rest of your life. Adjust accordingly. Don't forget to try PStrickert's great 1959 World Series Quickstart Mod for V12 & V11 !! At Padresfan's site.

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golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 309 Thanks: 498 Thanked 36x in 28 posts	Thanks Much Thanks much,never saw the info before.Lots of interesting stuff. Nowwwww back to my player editor Thanks Gil The Ancient One

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04-22-2010, 08:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Charlie Hough All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,880 Thanks: 58 Thanked 427x in 227 posts	This is because the game assigns pitch types randomly for all pitchers. So quite a number may have the knuckleball as one of the pitches they throw. And this would explain the frequency of mentions in the PBP. I'm an advocate of using the Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers as the basis for a historical file that will assign the real life pitch types to players according to history.

04-22-2010, 08:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,889 Thanks: 331 Thanked 385x in 223 posts	Real pitch repertoires were included in OOTPX. Not 11?

04-25-2010, 09:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
skunkle333 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2006 Location: St. Louis metro area...IL side. Posts: 287 Thanks: 85 Thanked 43x in 27 posts	I knew there was some kind of problem. I'm just going to use DMB's real life pitch data. Easier to access. They used the resource mentioned amongst others.

04-26-2010, 01:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,889 Thanks: 331 Thanked 385x in 223 posts	OOTP11 does include accurate pitch types for historical pitchers. It has been confirmed.

04-28-2010, 05:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Charlie Hough All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,880 Thanks: 58 Thanked 427x in 227 posts	Okay, sorry for the misinformation then. I only owned OOTPX very briefly before OOTP11 was released. But is the real life pitch data accurate for ALL historical pitchers in the entire database? Or is it only for well-known players?

04-28-2010, 06:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,889 Thanks: 331 Thanked 385x in 223 posts	PM BMW for details. He's the one who added the data.