Looking for 1800's FaceGen stuff

fhomess · 08-14-2008, 02:18 PM

I need the following for my baseball saga:
American Association
Union Association
National League up to 1900

If anyone has them or is willing to work on them, that'd be sweet. Otherwise, I'll probably do them myself.

fhomess · 09-26-2008, 11:40 PM

Well, no one has stepped up, so I downloaded some tools from other forum members and went to work on my own. For now, my Baseball Saga dynasty is temporarily on hold while I work on this. I've found a ton of old pictures, tobacco cards, and the like from the 1800's. There's two main problems with them: they tend to be in black and white, and it tends to be hard to find some of the more obscure teams. Allen & Ginter cards are nice for color, so I do have some of that. The rest I'll have to make up as best I can. I don't have everything done yet, but I thought I'd post here for comments and suggestions.

Anyway, here's a look at what I've accomplished so far:

Top Row: left to right
Cincinnati Reds
Louisville Grays/Eclipse/Colonels
Indianapolis Blues
Milwaukee Grays
Providence Grays
Indianapolis Hoosiers
Chicago White Stockings

Bottom Row: left to right
Syracuse Stars
Syracuse Stars
Philadelphia Quakers
Detroit Wolverines
New York Giants
Baltimore Orioles
New York Giants

rocknfire7 · 09-27-2008, 12:11 AM

I know it's almost impossible to get these 100% accurate, but....WOW!! Care to share ???

The jersey's and logos that is?

cephasjames · 09-27-2008, 02:26 PM

Excellent!!

No Pepper · 09-29-2008, 12:41 PM

Looks great fhomess! I would have tried to help but my life's gotten quite busy as of late. I see you've got a new and bigger collar (New York) that's looking spot on!

tombair · 09-30-2008, 07:39 PM

They look great! I'll have to try an 1800s league one of these days.

fhomess · 10-05-2008, 07:57 PM

Thanks guys. I just got back from vacation and have some business to take care of over the next couple of days, but I'll get some more of these completed and then share the files. Much of the work is now templated in Paint Shop Pro, so it'll hopefully move along quickly.

As for the slightly larger collars, yeah, I just didn't like using only the OOTP collar section for that, and felt like these look a little better. Some decent shading under and on them helps, but the break between jersey and collar still shows up on lighter colors.

ashantewarrier · 10-06-2008, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhomess

Thanks guys. I just got back from vacation and have some business to take care of over the next couple of days, but I'll get some more of these completed and then share the files. Much of the work is now templated in Paint Shop Pro, so it'll hopefully move along quickly.

As for the slightly larger collars, yeah, I just didn't like using only the OOTP collar section for that, and felt like these look a little better. Some decent shading under and on them helps, but the break between jersey and collar still shows up on lighter colors.

Excellent stuff!

rocknfire7 · 10-07-2008, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhomess

Thanks guys. I just got back from vacation and have some business to take care of over the next couple of days, but I'll get some more of these completed and then share the files. Much of the work is now templated in Paint Shop Pro, so it'll hopefully move along quickly.

As for the slightly larger collars, yeah, I just didn't like using only the OOTP collar section for that, and felt like these look a little better. Some decent shading under and on them helps, but the break between jersey and collar still shows up on lighter colors.

That Detroit uniform, though simple and basic is one of the best I've ever seen....Something about it says....."I'm cool"

Markus Heinsohn · 10-09-2008, 10:22 PM

Wow, that looks just great!!

fhomess · 10-10-2008, 01:11 AM

Here's a few more:
Brooklyn Bridegrooms
St. Louis Brown Stockings
Pittsburg Alleghenys
Philadelphia Athletics (AA)

fhomess · 10-16-2008, 06:57 PM

Just a quick update. I've completed the jerseys and caps (85 of them to cover the 65 teams that played in the NL, AA, PA, and UA from 1876 to 1900), and am now working on team logos. That should go much quicker. I'm also putting together two documents: One explaining what photos/old baseball cards I used to guide my work, and the second with suggested progressions for when to switch uniforms for teams that have multiple ones.

Samples will come later tonight.

fhomess · 10-17-2008, 04:33 AM

Ok, if you don't care about the team logos, which I'm still working on, you can get these here (~7MB).
There's two additional files included:
1. Source information as to how I came up with the designs.
2. A spreadsheet you can use as a guide for when to use which files (not even close to 100% accurate, but useful).

Here's what they'll look like (including a few that No Pepper did for the NA that I included for completeness):

From No Pepper's NA files:
Hartford Dark Blues
New York Mutuals
Philadelphia Athletics
St. Louis Brown Stockings

micropterus58 · 10-17-2008, 03:12 PM

Thanks for the 19th century uniforms. You must have spend a lot of time researching. I was planning on starting a league soon and these will be perfect.

I live in Connecticut near Hartford. There is a vintage baseball league that plays in New England using rules and equipment from that era. It may be of some interest to you and other history buffs. Here are a couple of links.
newenglandvintagebaseball.com
Hog River Journal - Dark Blues

I grew up near Waterbury, the birthplace of Hall of Famer, Roger Conner. He played from 1880-1897, mostly for the NY Giants. His great-grandson was a teacher at my high school.

No Pepper · 10-21-2008, 08:15 AM

That is one very impressive collection of work. As one who has compiled sets of my own, I can appreciate the amount of work that required to see it through. Thank you very much!

Gunsmoke · 10-22-2008, 05:12 AM

I get a page not found error when clicking on the link. Does this happen for anyone else??

fhomess · 10-22-2008, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunsmoke

I get a page not found error when clicking on the link. Does this happen for anyone else??

Site appears to be back up. Not sure what was going on, possibly server maintenance. I've also uploaded it at Fidel's AllSimBaseball site.

ashantewarrier · 10-22-2008, 03:44 PM

Good work! Thanks alot for your efforts!

08-14-2008, 02:18 PM	#1
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,585	Looking for 1800's FaceGen stuff I need the following for my baseball saga: American Association Union Association National League up to 1900 If anyone has them or is willing to work on them, that'd be sweet. Otherwise, I'll probably do them myself. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

09-26-2008, 11:40 PM	#2
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,585	Well, no one has stepped up, so I downloaded some tools from other forum members and went to work on my own. For now, my Baseball Saga dynasty is temporarily on hold while I work on this. I've found a ton of old pictures, tobacco cards, and the like from the 1800's. There's two main problems with them: they tend to be in black and white, and it tends to be hard to find some of the more obscure teams. Allen & Ginter cards are nice for color, so I do have some of that. The rest I'll have to make up as best I can. I don't have everything done yet, but I thought I'd post here for comments and suggestions. Anyway, here's a look at what I've accomplished so far: Top Row: left to right Cincinnati Reds Louisville Grays/Eclipse/Colonels Indianapolis Blues Milwaukee Grays Providence Grays Indianapolis Hoosiers Chicago White Stockings Bottom Row: left to right Syracuse Stars Syracuse Stars Philadelphia Quakers Detroit Wolverines New York Giants Baltimore Orioles New York Giants __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

09-27-2008, 02:26 PM	#4
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,735 Blog Entries: 1	Excellent!! __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

09-29-2008, 12:41 PM	#5
No Pepper All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,553	Looks great fhomess! I would have tried to help but my life's gotten quite busy as of late. I see you've got a new and bigger collar (New York) that's looking spot on! __________________ Uniforms compatible with OOTP23/24 Historical Major League Baseball 1901-current Historical Major League Baseball 1871-1900 Historical Federal League Historical Negro Leagues

09-30-2008, 07:39 PM	#6
tombair Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: La Plata, MD Posts: 493	They look great! I'll have to try an 1800s league one of these days. __________________ I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all. Bob Lemon

09-27-2008, 12:11 AM	#3
rocknfire7 Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	I know it's almost impossible to get these 100% accurate, but....WOW!! Care to share ??? The jersey's and logos that is?

10-05-2008, 07:57 PM	#7
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,585	Thanks guys. I just got back from vacation and have some business to take care of over the next couple of days, but I'll get some more of these completed and then share the files. Much of the work is now templated in Paint Shop Pro, so it'll hopefully move along quickly. As for the slightly larger collars, yeah, I just didn't like using only the OOTP collar section for that, and felt like these look a little better. Some decent shading under and on them helps, but the break between jersey and collar still shows up on lighter colors. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

10-09-2008, 10:22 PM	#10
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,737	Wow, that looks just great!!

10-10-2008, 01:11 AM	#11
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,585	Here's a few more: Brooklyn Bridegrooms St. Louis Brown Stockings Pittsburg Alleghenys Philadelphia Athletics (AA) Attached Images __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

10-16-2008, 06:57 PM	#12
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,585	Just a quick update. I've completed the jerseys and caps (85 of them to cover the 65 teams that played in the NL, AA, PA, and UA from 1876 to 1900), and am now working on team logos. That should go much quicker. I'm also putting together two documents: One explaining what photos/old baseball cards I used to guide my work, and the second with suggested progressions for when to switch uniforms for teams that have multiple ones. Samples will come later tonight. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

10-17-2008, 04:33 AM	#13
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,585	Ok, if you don't care about the team logos, which I'm still working on, you can get these here (~7MB). There's two additional files included: 1. Source information as to how I came up with the designs. 2. A spreadsheet you can use as a guide for when to use which files (not even close to 100% accurate, but useful). Here's what they'll look like (including a few that No Pepper did for the NA that I included for completeness): From No Pepper's NA files: Hartford Dark Blues New York Mutuals Philadelphia Athletics St. Louis Brown Stockings __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development. Last edited by fhomess; 06-18-2009 at 10:52 AM.

10-17-2008, 03:12 PM	#14
micropterus58 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,118	Thanks for the 19th century uniforms. You must have spend a lot of time researching. I was planning on starting a league soon and these will be perfect. I live in Connecticut near Hartford. There is a vintage baseball league that plays in New England using rules and equipment from that era. It may be of some interest to you and other history buffs. Here are a couple of links. newenglandvintagebaseball.com Hog River Journal - Dark Blues I grew up near Waterbury, the birthplace of Hall of Famer, Roger Conner. He played from 1880-1897, mostly for the NY Giants. His great-grandson was a teacher at my high school.

10-21-2008, 08:15 AM	#15
No Pepper All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,553	That is one very impressive collection of work. As one who has compiled sets of my own, I can appreciate the amount of work that required to see it through. Thank you very much! __________________ Uniforms compatible with OOTP23/24 Historical Major League Baseball 1901-current Historical Major League Baseball 1871-1900 Historical Federal League Historical Negro Leagues

10-22-2008, 05:12 AM	#16
Gunsmoke All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,012	I get a page not found error when clicking on the link. Does this happen for anyone else??

10-22-2008, 03:44 PM	#18
ashantewarrier Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, NJ via Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,293 Blog Entries: 7	Good work! Thanks alot for your efforts! __________________ "I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... All I ask is that you respect me as a human being." -Jackie Robinson, #42 Brooklyn Dodgers *"Hitting is better than sex."* - Reggie Jackson