a to-do list for an improved nations.txt

cmdroverbite · 06-14-2006, 03:15 PM

Some suggestions for altering nations.txt to improve the realism of the names generated. Most of these are alterations to nations with little or no baseball, so it's unlikely to be an issue unless you set up leagues in obscure countries. (Nonetheless, I'm picky -- it's the geography nerd in me.) I'll work on this file as I go but I am at work at the moment. If anyone else wants to pitch in, please feel free...

AFGHANISTAN - Should be mostly Pakistani with a Azerbijani minority
ANGOLA - African with a Portugese minority
BELARUS - should be Russian with a smattering of Polish and maybe some Czech.
BELIZE - should be much more heavily British.
BERMUDA - not sure why Portugese is in there...far as I know, almost all Bermudans have UKish names.
BOSNIA - maybe throw in a smattering of Turkish?
BULGARIA - Russian is a much closer match for Bulgaria than either Albanian or Romanian. I would make Bulgaria 100% Russian.
CAMBODIA - No real good match among the existing ethnicities, but I would guess that Indonesian is more realistic than Vietnamese.
COSTA RICA - Should have a small minority of UK names.
EAST TIMOR - Should be a mix of Portugese and Indonesian, with a small Australian minority
ESTONIA - Should be Finnish with a Russian minority.
MACEDONIA - Majority Serbian, with some Albanian and Greek
FIJI - Majority Polynesian, with Indian and Chinese minorities
GEORGIA - Majority Russian, with Azerbijani minorities
GUYANA - UK, with an Indian minority
ICELAND - Danish
IRAN - A mix of Azerbaijani and Armenian will actually be more accurate for Iran than pure Arabic.
ISRAEL - No really good solutions here, probably a mix of German, Russian and Arabic is the best answer
KAZAKHSTAN - A mix of Russian and Turkish is probably best here.
KYRGYZ. - Also Russian and Turkish, prolly.
LATVIA - Probably Russian and Polish.
LITHUANIA - Russian and Polish
MAURITIUS - Indian and African, with a French minority
MEXICO - Should have a much smaller American minority
MOLDOVA - Romanian with a small Russian minority
MONGOLIA - No good answers, but Chinese is more likely to be accurate than American.
MOROCCO - All Arabic
MOZAMBIQUE - African with a Portugese minority
MYANMAR - Bumese is actually linguistically related to Chinese, so Chinese (with maybe an Indian minority) is probably the most realistic choice here.
NORTHERN IRELAND - should have a Scottish minority
PANAMA - should have an American minority
PAPUA NG - should have an Australian minority
SAO TOME - should be all Portugese
SOLOMONS - should be Polynesian with a UK minority
SOMALIA - should be all Arabic
SOUTH AFRICA - should be a mix of African, UK and Dutch
SRI LANKA - should be all Indian
SURINAME - should be all Dutch
TAJIKSTAN - should be a mix of Azerbaijan and Russian
THAILAND - Indonesian with a Vietnamese minority
TURKMENISTAN - should be a mix of Turkish and Russian
UKRAINE - should be all Russian
ZIMBABWE - should have a UK minority
NAURU - should be all Polynesian

Raidergoo · 06-14-2006, 03:21 PM

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

That's where I would start.

I may have had a few too many geography classes in my time.

Also see http://www.allsimbaseball.com/index....catid=18&id=59

I lightly edited nations.txt to conform with World Factbook data on the adjective form.

cmdroverbite · 06-14-2006, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

That's where I would start.

I may have had a few too many geography classes in my time.

Oh, I know where the resources are, and 99% of the changes I outlined in the OP are things I just know are true (I've also had my share of geography and linguistics classes), so the only thing to it is to do it.

Between your edits and those of rmc, nations.txt is probably going to be close to perfect as it's going to get -- once I'm done...

Obviously, with a limit of only 40 language groups, some sacrifices of realism have to go: there's no realistic solution for Hungarian, or Farsi, or Hebrew, or Burmese, or Thai, or the Malay languages, and the general luping together of the African and Pacific Island languages is a wild oversimplification, but those are minor issues (at most) for 99.9% of players.

Raidergoo · 06-14-2006, 05:01 PM

I don't know how I became the board's geographer. I didn't intend on it. Guess the company would do fine.

Boozie1580 · 06-14-2006, 05:11 PM

No Farsi or Hebrew? Not that it matters too much to me, but I'm surprised those weren't included.

southside_hitmen · 08-05-2006, 02:59 AM

any updates on this?

Raidergoo · 08-05-2006, 10:49 PM

I don't know a thing about any updates on this file.

06-14-2006, 03:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
cmdroverbite Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	a to-do list for an improved nations.txt Some suggestions for altering nations.txt to improve the realism of the names generated. Most of these are alterations to nations with little or no baseball, so it's unlikely to be an issue unless you set up leagues in obscure countries. (Nonetheless, I'm picky -- it's the geography nerd in me.) I'll work on this file as I go but I am at work at the moment. If anyone else wants to pitch in, please feel free... AFGHANISTAN - Should be mostly Pakistani with a Azerbijani minority ANGOLA - African with a Portugese minority BELARUS - should be Russian with a smattering of Polish and maybe some Czech. BELIZE - should be much more heavily British. BERMUDA - not sure why Portugese is in there...far as I know, almost all Bermudans have UKish names. BOSNIA - maybe throw in a smattering of Turkish? BULGARIA - Russian is a much closer match for Bulgaria than either Albanian or Romanian. I would make Bulgaria 100% Russian. CAMBODIA - No real good match among the existing ethnicities, but I would guess that Indonesian is more realistic than Vietnamese. COSTA RICA - Should have a small minority of UK names. EAST TIMOR - Should be a mix of Portugese and Indonesian, with a small Australian minority ESTONIA - Should be Finnish with a Russian minority. MACEDONIA - Majority Serbian, with some Albanian and Greek FIJI - Majority Polynesian, with Indian and Chinese minorities GEORGIA - Majority Russian, with Azerbijani minorities GUYANA - UK, with an Indian minority ICELAND - Danish IRAN - A mix of Azerbaijani and Armenian will actually be more accurate for Iran than pure Arabic. ISRAEL - No really good solutions here, probably a mix of German, Russian and Arabic is the best answer KAZAKHSTAN - A mix of Russian and Turkish is probably best here. KYRGYZ. - Also Russian and Turkish, prolly. LATVIA - Probably Russian and Polish. LITHUANIA - Russian and Polish MAURITIUS - Indian and African, with a French minority MEXICO - Should have a much smaller American minority MOLDOVA - Romanian with a small Russian minority MONGOLIA - No good answers, but Chinese is more likely to be accurate than American. MOROCCO - All Arabic MOZAMBIQUE - African with a Portugese minority MYANMAR - Bumese is actually linguistically related to Chinese, so Chinese (with maybe an Indian minority) is probably the most realistic choice here. NORTHERN IRELAND - should have a Scottish minority PANAMA - should have an American minority PAPUA NG - should have an Australian minority SAO TOME - should be all Portugese SOLOMONS - should be Polynesian with a UK minority SOMALIA - should be all Arabic SOUTH AFRICA - should be a mix of African, UK and Dutch SRI LANKA - should be all Indian SURINAME - should be all Dutch TAJIKSTAN - should be a mix of Azerbaijan and Russian THAILAND - Indonesian with a Vietnamese minority TURKMENISTAN - should be a mix of Turkish and Russian UKRAINE - should be all Russian ZIMBABWE - should have a UK minority NAURU - should be all Polynesian __________________ ULB - Commissioner/Providence Penguins

06-14-2006, 03:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/ That's where I would start. I may have had a few too many geography classes in my time. Also see http://www.allsimbaseball.com/index....catid=18&id=59 I lightly edited nations.txt to conform with World Factbook data on the adjective form. Last edited by Raidergoo; 06-14-2006 at 03:23 PM.

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Boozie1580 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MD Posts: 1,163 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1x in 1 post	No Farsi or Hebrew? Not that it matters too much to me, but I'm surprised those weren't included. __________________

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06-14-2006, 05:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	I don't know how I became the board's geographer. I didn't intend on it. Guess the company would do fine.

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southside_hitmen Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 179 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	any updates on this?

08-05-2006, 10:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	I don't know a thing about any updates on this file.