Official Rolen/Cubby Roster Thread - Page 7

DaMook · 06-08-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

What would people think about using Baseball Prospectus' player predictions as a guide to setting up ratings (both current and potential)?

Do you mean PECOTA? I would love that.

CubbyFan23 · 06-08-2006, 02:33 PM

Yes I was talking about PECOTA -- sorry for the delay guys. With the new patch we had to get some things fixed with the file to make it work with it.

Back to work. I'll try to get an ETA tonight when I know more.

sboehler · 06-08-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaMook

Do you mean PECOTA? I would love that.

Personally those PECOTA ratings are not so great in my opinion. I think they are based on the way the player is playing currently in the minors, not their true potential. Most potential stats are too average, or below average on potential future stars. I would rather go with scouting reports...

crackpott · 06-08-2006, 03:04 PM

I'm just curious how you plan to rate players like Alex Rios?

On one hand... before this year, he really sucked. He's only been good for 2.5 months.

On the other, he always was supposed to have tremendous potential and was listed among the top prospects in baseball, and throughout this year hasn't slowed down.

Seems to make for a tough call.

zweibz7 · 06-08-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Yes I was talking about PECOTA -- sorry for the delay guys. With the new patch we had to get some things fixed with the file to make it work with it.

Back to work. I'll try to get an ETA tonight when I know more.

Thanks a lot for all your hard work Cubby. I know it's gonna be awesome. Let us know when you know more, and we'll be patient.

CubbyFan23 · 06-08-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sboehler

Personally those PECOTA ratings are not so great in my opinion. I think they are based on the way the player is playing currently in the minors, not their true potential. Most potential stats are too average, or below average on potential future stars. I would rather go with scouting reports...

I am most likely basing potential ratings on scouting reports and true "potential" instead of PECOTA stats, but using the PECOTA to determine the current rating as I believe it is a very good barometer of "current" talent levels.

onthepunt · 06-08-2006, 03:26 PM

im moist with anticipation for this

CubbyFan23 · 06-08-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crackpott

I'm just curious how you plan to rate players like Alex Rios?

On one hand... before this year, he really sucked. He's only been good for 2.5 months.

On the other, he always was supposed to have tremendous potential and was listed among the top prospects in baseball, and throughout this year hasn't slowed down.

Seems to make for a tough call.

I'd like to give him a good current rating, but would have a lot of trouble doing that based on the small sample size of progress. Most likely notch his potential back up to where it should be (as very good) and his current ratings just up a tad.

In addition, using scouting reports so all MLB (and a lot of AAA) players should have their correct pitches, speeds, G/F ratios, etc. I'd like to eventually get everyone right on pitches and pitch speeds, but will need ya'lls help with some of the minor leaguers that I don't know or can't find info on.

Slapstick · 06-08-2006, 03:34 PM

I may sound like a whiny kid, but how much longer?! I have had the game since the day it was released and after three hours of trying to dig in with the "no-name" rosters, I finally had to give up. There is so much going on that if you don't have some reference as to who the heck anyone is it is impossible for me to gain any enjoyment from it. I just want to play the game! Please.

Jester of Death · 06-08-2006, 04:12 PM

What I've always wondered is how everyone waits for MLB rosters...and then after about 25-30 years progress in their games...everyone ends up being fictional anyways :P

BTW Cubby, can't wait for those rosters...I have 30 GM's begging me to start :P

Go Middies · 06-08-2006, 04:20 PM

Because it's impossible to get worked up about fictional players to start. Besides, by the time that everybody is fake, you know who they are so to speak.

deadringer · 06-08-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester of Death

What I've always wondered is how everyone waits for MLB rosters...and then after about 25-30 years progress in their games...everyone ends up being fictional anyways :P

BTW Cubby, can't wait for those rosters...I have 30 GM's begging me to start :P

That's an easy one for me. During those 25-30 years the change from realistic guys to fictional ones are very gradual, especially if you play out each game and move slow. I just can't get imersed into the fictional thing. I spend most of the time learning the guys and stuff before I can really get into it. With real names and teams I get a feel very quick even when they don't behave like their real life counterparts.

Waninski · 06-08-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by deadringer

That's an easy one for me. During those 25-30 years the change from realistic guys to fictional ones are very gradual, especially if you play out each game and move slow. I just can't get imersed into the fictional thing. I spend most of the time learning the guys and stuff before I can really get into it. With real names and teams I get a feel very quick even when they don't behave like their real life counterparts.

Exactly. I play out every game, so 25-30 years is an eternity to me. Plus, the infusion of fictional players with MLB players happens so gradual, as yuo say, that it is possible to become familiar and attached to these fictionals rather than starting off with a league of unknowns.

griff66 · 06-08-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crackpott

I'm just curious how you plan to rate players like Alex Rios?

On one hand... before this year, he really sucked. He's only been good for 2.5 months.

On the other, he always was supposed to have tremendous potential and was listed among the top prospects in baseball, and throughout this year hasn't slowed down.

Seems to make for a tough call.

I was wondering about him specifically as well. He called up the majors a bit early imo and it was too much for him. He did win the batting title in Winter Ball which had some very very good hitters. I think this year he finally has the confidence playing in the WBC and its showing at the plate.

He has made an adjustment in his batting stance as well, he used to have some movement now he is really silent at the plate. All in all, last year I thought he would be a bust but watching him play some this year he has the confidence and the tools be a great 5 tool guy. Not to mention one of the best arms in the league.

sboehler · 06-08-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

I am most likely basing potential ratings on scouting reports and true "potential" instead of PECOTA stats, but using the PECOTA to determine the current rating as I believe it is a very good barometer of "current" talent levels.

Yeah I agree with that....Good job!

mtaystl03 · 06-08-2006, 05:15 PM

OK, I know you are a Cubs fan but does NOT mean you can make Pujols' injury rating really low!!?!? Just kidding. Looking forward to the set, no rush though, I can't imagine how much time and effort it takes!

CubbyFan23 · 06-08-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mtaystl03

OK, I know you are a Cubs fan but does NOT mean you can make Pujols' injury rating really low!!?!? Just kidding. Looking forward to the set, no rush though, I can't imagine how much time and effort it takes!

I'd say Pujols is very overrated and should be talent wise around a Neifi Perez type hitter, with a high injury rating.

(his injury rating will probably be VERY low, considering I think the oblique is a freak injury and he's played what, 5 years without any real problems?)

Now Kerry Wood on the other hand... its too bad that 200 is the maximum rating allowed.

MorseMoose · 06-08-2006, 05:28 PM

Or Mark Prior...

youalreadyknow · 06-08-2006, 05:28 PM

Regardless of what game it is, I always edit the prospect ratings from Roster Sets. I don't think it is possible to give accurate ratings for every prospect in baseball in under a month and therefore I don't expect to see that in the first version of your set.

It took me forever to get halfway done in 6.5, so I can safely assume it will be months to get there with this version. Not sure of your minor league knowledge, but I hope you can at least get close to the actual talent and potential for these guys.

Thanks for the foundation of the roster set though, since that is the most important part.

Are you guys using actual SS/Rookie rosters or just using fictional players? Also, are you listing prospects in their opening day minor league levels or current levels?

biggamejrs · 06-08-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Waninski

Exactly. I play out every game, so 25-30 years is an eternity to me. Plus, the infusion of fictional players with MLB players happens so gradual, as yuo say, that it is possible to become familiar and attached to these fictionals rather than starting off with a league of unknowns.

Agreed. It takes literally 4-6 months for me to even play a season.

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youalreadyknow Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Prospects Regardless of what game it is, I always edit the prospect ratings from Roster Sets. I don't think it is possible to give accurate ratings for every prospect in baseball in under a month and therefore I don't expect to see that in the first version of your set. It took me forever to get halfway done in 6.5, so I can safely assume it will be months to get there with this version. Not sure of your minor league knowledge, but I hope you can at least get close to the actual talent and potential for these guys. Thanks for the foundation of the roster set though, since that is the most important part. Are you guys using actual SS/Rookie rosters or just using fictional players? Also, are you listing prospects in their opening day minor league levels or current levels?

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06-08-2006, 02:33 PM	#122 (permalink)
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,152 Thanks: 10 Thanked 506x in 150 posts	Yes I was talking about PECOTA -- sorry for the delay guys. With the new patch we had to get some things fixed with the file to make it work with it. Back to work. I'll try to get an ETA tonight when I know more.

06-08-2006, 03:26 PM	#127 (permalink)
onthepunt Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 139 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	im moist with anticipation for this

06-08-2006, 03:34 PM	#129 (permalink)
Slapstick Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I may sound like a whiny kid, but how much longer?! I have had the game since the day it was released and after three hours of trying to dig in with the "no-name" rosters, I finally had to give up. There is so much going on that if you don't have some reference as to who the heck anyone is it is impossible for me to gain any enjoyment from it. I just want to play the game! Please.

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Go Middies Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lindsay, Ontario, Canada Posts: 65 Thanks: 9 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Because it's impossible to get worked up about fictional players to start. Besides, by the time that everybody is fake, you know who they are so to speak.

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mtaystl03 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO - BASEBALL TOWN USA Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	OK, I know you are a Cubs fan but does NOT mean you can make Pujols' injury rating really low!!?!? Just kidding. Looking forward to the set, no rush though, I can't imagine how much time and effort it takes!