Spritze/Garlon DB - Page 9

Irish Fan · 06-19-2008, 02:03 PM

I selected the neutralize option but Negro leaguers still not in game !!

What am i doing wrong ??

Spritze · 06-19-2008, 02:14 PM

Nothing, the Negro Leaguers and the Japanese players were removed at some time prior to release. They are currently only available in the Spritze db in the Mods forum.

Irish Fan · 06-19-2008, 02:21 PM

ah ok !!

Can I use the DB in this version (OOTP9) or no ??

Can I use either DB version ?? The DBs are great but I want to use the one without the players in caps !!

Spritze · 06-19-2008, 02:27 PM

The caps thing was just an oops. I was using it to differentiate between standard Lahman records and my altered records during testing and I forgot to change it back. I'll fix that this weekend and resend the db to all sim baseball.

Sorry, I erred. It happens.

You can use the Spritze db if you wish, just don't use it with neutralized stats.

Irish Fan · 06-19-2008, 02:30 PM

Thats OK !

If I use the DB now can I use the new one you are sending to AllSim and not ruin my associaiton or should I wait ??

Sorry to be a pest !

Thanks

Spritze · 06-19-2008, 02:33 PM

Any players imported before you get the new onw would be in caps. Otherwise they are interchangable.

Irish Fan · 06-19-2008, 02:34 PM

Thank you for your help

clamel · 06-19-2008, 05:32 PM

What about the Abbott problem.
It was supposed to be fixed according to Garlon ????

Gap years and such....

Spritze · 06-19-2008, 05:49 PM

You must have RAH on and use neutralized stats to get to that desired outcome.

RAH on should not allow Mr. Abbott to retire until his actual retirement date from MLB. Gap seasons should pull ratings from the neutralized stats and those gap seasons should show on the neutralized stats tabs in the player profile even if they do not on the real life stats tab.

Spritze · 06-19-2008, 10:57 PM

allsimbaseball.com

Read the readme to get an idea of the stuff included.

kagnew35 · 06-22-2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

allsimbaseball.com

Read the readme to get an idea of the stuff included.

Allsimbaseball is still showing version 2.1?

Spritze · 06-27-2008, 10:21 PM

It was uploaded to the OOTP 8 folder as the ootp 9 one didn't exist yet.

Both versions should be in that folder.

Irish Fan · 06-28-2008, 11:33 AM

I am using the new DB but it is not importing Negro Leaguers, japanese, etc. players.

It was, now it isnt since the patch ??!! What am I doing wrong !!??

Irish Fan · 06-28-2008, 12:06 PM

Also when I go to ALLSIM to get the DB again it will not download or open ??

Irish Fan · 06-29-2008, 02:45 PM

Is there another link to download this DB ??

plannine · 06-29-2008, 04:16 PM

this is the page that it's on>

All Sim Baseball

Irish Fan · 06-29-2008, 04:18 PM

I finally got it to download.

I reinstalled OOTP 9.0.27 and copy and pasted the files into the stats folder. Still no Negro Leaguers !

With OOTP 8 and OOTP 9 (before patch) they were there !

Maybe I am missing something ??

fredmanrique · 06-29-2008, 05:22 PM

Spritze,
Thanks again for all your great DB work, definitely the best one out there.
I'm up to 1963 in a "dry run" and one thing has stood out- only one Negro Leaguer has had anything resembling a decent career (Jud Wilson) while right now(in 1963), 15 of the top 30 players are Japanese.
It seems we're back to square one with Negro Leaguers? My only complaint about the DB is that the Negro Leaguers shouldn't be "punished" b/c there stats weren't maintained/respected the way they should have been.
I understand the most practical thing to do is to simply use whatever real stats are out there, but we all know how shoddy the real NeL stats are, and for a career minor leaguer to have a robust pile of MLE's while Satchel Paige, for example, doesn't have much to show seems a little off?
I thought the last DB had reached a very nice compromise with Negro Leaguer performance- any reason that was changed?
Can you suggest a remedy for me?
And, if the remedy is to individually edit each player, can you suggest what settings I should use with the DB? Previously, I have found that editing ratings yearly with re-calc on is a chore, because it has to be done over and over and I don't want to turn re-calc off. Do you know if switching the %'s around will make a difference? And speaking of %'s, what default settings do you recommend for those?
Christ, too many questions. Sorry!
Thanks for any advice in advance, and again- this is a GREAT DB.

Spritze · 06-29-2008, 06:44 PM

If you use the Spritze db instead of the Spritze/Garlon db I feel the Negro Leaguers are much more in line with their probable performances.

Mr. Garlon felt the Negro Leaguers were too dominant so he had me weaken them. My feeling is that when you choose the top 1% of the historical Negro and Japanese players of course they are dominant. If you are shooting for mediocrity you should choose mediocre players instead of making good players worse. We just had to agree to disagree on this. So I weakened the Negro leaguers in this db but not the Japanese.

Irish Fan · 06-29-2008, 06:51 PM

I uninstalled 9.

Cleaned out everything. Reinstalled OOTP 9.0.27.

Loaded SpritzeDB3.3

Still no Negro Leaguers or others(Japan, etc)

HMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

06-19-2008, 02:03 PM	#161 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I selected the neutralize option but Negro leaguers still not in game !! What am i doing wrong ?? __________________ Irish Fan

06-19-2008, 02:21 PM	#163 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	ah ok !! Can I use the DB in this version (OOTP9) or no ?? Can I use either DB version ?? The DBs are great but I want to use the one without the players in caps !! __________________ Irish Fan

06-19-2008, 02:30 PM	#165 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Thats OK ! If I use the DB now can I use the new one you are sending to AllSim and not ruin my associaiton or should I wait ?? Sorry to be a pest ! Thanks __________________ Irish Fan

06-19-2008, 02:34 PM	#167 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Thank you for your help __________________ Irish Fan

06-19-2008, 10:57 PM	#170 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanks: 16 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	Ver 2.2 Spritzified db has been uploaded to allsimbaseball.com Read the readme to get an idea of the stuff included.

06-19-2008, 02:14 PM	#162 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanks: 16 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	Nothing, the Negro Leaguers and the Japanese players were removed at some time prior to release. They are currently only available in the Spritze db in the Mods forum.

06-19-2008, 02:27 PM	#164 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanks: 16 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	The caps thing was just an oops. I was using it to differentiate between standard Lahman records and my altered records during testing and I forgot to change it back. I'll fix that this weekend and resend the db to all sim baseball. Sorry, I erred. It happens. You can use the Spritze db if you wish, just don't use it with neutralized stats.

06-19-2008, 02:33 PM	#166 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanks: 16 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	Any players imported before you get the new onw would be in caps. Otherwise they are interchangable.

06-19-2008, 05:32 PM	#168 (permalink)
clamel All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 664 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	What about the Abbott problem. It was supposed to be fixed according to Garlon ???? Gap years and such....

06-19-2008, 05:49 PM	#169 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanks: 16 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	You must have RAH on and use neutralized stats to get to that desired outcome. RAH on should not allow Mr. Abbott to retire until his actual retirement date from MLB. Gap seasons should pull ratings from the neutralized stats and those gap seasons should show on the neutralized stats tabs in the player profile even if they do not on the real life stats tab.

06-27-2008, 10:21 PM	#172 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanks: 16 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	It was uploaded to the OOTP 8 folder as the ootp 9 one didn't exist yet. Both versions should be in that folder.

06-28-2008, 11:33 AM	#173 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I am using the new DB but it is not importing Negro Leaguers, japanese, etc. players. It was, now it isnt since the patch ??!! What am I doing wrong !!?? __________________ Irish Fan

06-28-2008, 12:06 PM	#174 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Also when I go to ALLSIM to get the DB again it will not download or open ?? __________________ Irish Fan

06-29-2008, 02:45 PM	#175 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Is there another link to download this DB ?? __________________ Irish Fan

06-29-2008, 04:16 PM	#176 (permalink)
plannine Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 486 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6x in 6 posts	this is the page that it's on> All Sim Baseball __________________ Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa - Casey Stengel

06-29-2008, 04:18 PM	#177 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I finally got it to download. I reinstalled OOTP 9.0.27 and copy and pasted the files into the stats folder. Still no Negro Leaguers ! With OOTP 8 and OOTP 9 (before patch) they were there ! Maybe I am missing something ?? __________________ Irish Fan

06-29-2008, 05:22 PM	#178 (permalink)
fredmanrique Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 43 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Latest DB Spritze, Thanks again for all your great DB work, definitely the best one out there. I'm up to 1963 in a "dry run" and one thing has stood out- only one Negro Leaguer has had anything resembling a decent career (Jud Wilson) while right now(in 1963), 15 of the top 30 players are Japanese. It seems we're back to square one with Negro Leaguers? My only complaint about the DB is that the Negro Leaguers shouldn't be "punished" b/c there stats weren't maintained/respected the way they should have been. I understand the most practical thing to do is to simply use whatever real stats are out there, but we all know how shoddy the real NeL stats are, and for a career minor leaguer to have a robust pile of MLE's while Satchel Paige, for example, doesn't have much to show seems a little off? I thought the last DB had reached a very nice compromise with Negro Leaguer performance- any reason that was changed? Can you suggest a remedy for me? And, if the remedy is to individually edit each player, can you suggest what settings I should use with the DB? Previously, I have found that editing ratings yearly with re-calc on is a chore, because it has to be done over and over and I don't want to turn re-calc off. Do you know if switching the %'s around will make a difference? And speaking of %'s, what default settings do you recommend for those? Christ, too many questions. Sorry! Thanks for any advice in advance, and again- this is a GREAT DB.

06-29-2008, 06:44 PM	#179 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanks: 16 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	If you use the Spritze db instead of the Spritze/Garlon db I feel the Negro Leaguers are much more in line with their probable performances. Mr. Garlon felt the Negro Leaguers were too dominant so he had me weaken them. My feeling is that when you choose the top 1% of the historical Negro and Japanese players of course they are dominant. If you are shooting for mediocrity you should choose mediocre players instead of making good players worse. We just had to agree to disagree on this. So I weakened the Negro leaguers in this db but not the Japanese.

06-29-2008, 06:51 PM	#180 (permalink)
Irish Fan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I uninstalled 9. Cleaned out everything. Reinstalled OOTP 9.0.27. Loaded SpritzeDB3.3 Still no Negro Leaguers or others(Japan, etc) HMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!! __________________ Irish Fan

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