Historical Player Creation Modifiers

Swimmer · 06-02-2006, 11:12 AM

Anyone else had problems with this feature? I created a fictional league in 1901, and ticked both the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" and the "Automatically import historical player creation modifier" boxes.

Had 9 guys hit over 40 home runs in 1901, and 11 guys hit over 40 in 1902, with the league leader in 1902 hitting 54.

As I read the user's guide, these two options should create a fictional 1901 league with relatively realistic stats for that year.

Is this a bug or did I do something wrong?

Markmeister · 06-02-2006, 11:48 AM

I've seen this. It's probably a bug.

When you checked the box, did all the modifiers right below it change? I was setting up competing major leagues starting in 1901. The first league changed the modifiers, but the second league left them as 1.000. I went in and manually changed them and got reasonable stats.

domonas · 06-02-2006, 12:02 PM

Yeah, the modifyer numbers should change. If they don't, try clicking off the option then clicking it back on. That worked for me.

Swimmer · 06-02-2006, 12:55 PM

OK, I'll play with that when I get home.

But, even if the historical modifiers did not "take" when I created the league, shouldn't the second season have been modified by the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" option? My offensive numbers actually went UP in the second season.

domonas · 06-02-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

OK, I'll play with that when I get home.

But, even if the historical modifiers did not "take" when I created the league, shouldn't the second season have been modified by the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" option? My offensive numbers actually went UP in the second season.

I'm thinking b/c it didn't "take" the original time", the game didn't recognize it as checked and did not readjust.

TC Dale · 07-02-2006, 09:56 PM

1.01 patch- is this a problem still?

BadluckinOOTP · 07-02-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TC Dale

1.01 patch- is this a problem still?

Well, I just tried setting up a 1941 league, with the major leagues (fake players) and a pacific league. But i used the 1941 totals and creation modifiers, and got very unrealistic hitting stats (the average obp% was around .450. And the best ERA was 4.50. AVG and HR's were OK, but the walks were just through the roof in every leage, MLB, PCL, and the 3rd one I had.

BruceM · 07-03-2006, 06:26 AM

I haven't had this problem, however keep in mind when you are using real players imported from Lahman, you do not need "Automatically import historical player creation modifier" checked. This box is more for use when using fictional players.

Not sure if that's causing the problem, wouldn't think so, but you might try unchecking it and see what happens.

swampdragon · 07-03-2006, 09:00 AM

I think the first year is known to be funky if you leave the default league total settings up. There are some good deadball league totals used in 6.5 and prior versions floating around on the forum. I'm currently using one of those for 1871 and it's pretty much solved the problem. The game engine only compensates for year 2 and after.

It may also work to input actual league totals for the year in question, but I haven't tried that.

BravesSince66 · 07-03-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

Anyone else had problems with this feature? I created a fictional league in 1901, and ticked both the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" and the "Automatically import historical player creation modifier" boxes.

I don't play with automatic league total adjustments. I get better results editing the modifiers myself as the sim progresses.

Syd Thrift · 07-03-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

I think the first year is known to be funky if you leave the default league total settings up. There are some good deadball league totals used in 6.5 and prior versions floating around on the forum. I'm currently using one of those for 1871 and it's pretty much solved the problem. The game engine only compensates for year 2 and after.

It may also work to input actual league totals for the year in question, but I haven't tried that.

" to the first part. The game needs data to work with in order to figure out accurate stats for later. Unfortunately, that means that you'll have to sacrifice your first year to the baseball gods. Well, actually I have pretty decent success with comparing 2005 to the stats of the first year I want to sim and adjusting that way. That means that if, on a per-at bat basis, there are 15% more hits in the sim year than in 2005, you increase the modifier to 1.015 and so on and so forth.

One thing to watch out with swampy's suggestion: do *NOT* just put in actual league totals for the year in question. The engine works weird with this, always has. If there are 10% more homeruns in the stats you input, that means there will be about 10% fewer in the actual game. If you really want to mess around with the league totals, you have to do everything in reverse. Personally, I find it just easier to use the modifiers to the left, which work exactly the way you'd think they should work.

swampdragon · 07-04-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

One thing to watch out with swampy's suggestion: do *NOT* just put in actual league totals for the year in question. The engine works weird with this, always has. If there are 10% more homeruns in the stats you input, that means there will be about 10% fewer in the actual game. If you really want to mess around with the league totals, you have to do everything in reverse. Personally, I find it just easier to use the modifiers to the left, which work exactly the way you'd think they should work.

Then I won't bother trying it.

spark240 · 07-09-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

...keep in mind when you are using real players imported from Lahman, you do not need "Automatically import historical player creation modifier" checked. This box is more for use when using fictional players...

But when you create a historical major league, as a default, the game both sets modified PCMs, and checks "Automatically import historical..."

Syd Thrift · 07-10-2006, 05:29 AM

Argh. That should have been "to the right", by the way. How witless and guileless of me.

06-02-2006, 11:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Swimmer Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado Posts: 130	Historical Player Creation Modifiers Anyone else had problems with this feature? I created a fictional league in 1901, and ticked both the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" and the "Automatically import historical player creation modifier" boxes. Had 9 guys hit over 40 home runs in 1901, and 11 guys hit over 40 in 1902, with the league leader in 1902 hitting 54. As I read the user's guide, these two options should create a fictional 1901 league with relatively realistic stats for that year. Is this a bug or did I do something wrong?

06-02-2006, 11:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Markmeister Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 378	I've seen this. It's probably a bug. When you checked the box, did all the modifiers right below it change? I was setting up competing major leagues starting in 1901. The first league changed the modifiers, but the second league left them as 1.000. I went in and manually changed them and got reasonable stats. __________________ It's not that baseball has ever had a shortage of ways to embarrass yourself -- dropping an easy flyball, being the one guy Heathcliff Slocumb actually struck out, realizing you're Bud Selig... Jersey style logos Vintage letter logos Vintage uniforms The Vintage Baseball Assocation - a fictional league starting in 1860. Note - Pages that weren't uploaded (i.e. retired players) usually opens up to another page when clicking on a bad link.

07-02-2006, 09:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
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07-03-2006, 06:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
BruceM Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,925	I haven't had this problem, however keep in mind when you are using real players imported from Lahman, you do not need "Automatically import historical player creation modifier" checked. This box is more for use when using fictional players. Not sure if that's causing the problem, wouldn't think so, but you might try unchecking it and see what happens. __________________ It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed? Last edited by BruceM : 07-03-2006 at 06:27 AM.

07-03-2006, 09:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
swampdragon All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 1,722	I think the first year is known to be funky if you leave the default league total settings up. There are some good deadball league totals used in 6.5 and prior versions floating around on the forum. I'm currently using one of those for 1871 and it's pretty much solved the problem. The game engine only compensates for year 2 and after. It may also work to input actual league totals for the year in question, but I haven't tried that. __________________ "The only way to oblige men to speak well of us is to act well." -- Voltaire

06-02-2006, 12:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
domonas Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 121	Yeah, the modifyer numbers should change. If they don't, try clicking off the option then clicking it back on. That worked for me.

06-02-2006, 12:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Swimmer Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado Posts: 130	OK, I'll play with that when I get home. But, even if the historical modifiers did not "take" when I created the league, shouldn't the second season have been modified by the "Automatically adjust league totals modifiers after each season for historical accuracy" option? My offensive numbers actually went UP in the second season.

07-10-2006, 05:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
Syd Thrift Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,824	Argh. That should have been "to the right", by the way. How witless and guileless of me. __________________ League of Nations: An Exercise In Baseball Unity http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2508413 Hey, somebody insult me publicly so I can replace ForemanFan's missive! "You're a guileless, witless puke. I'd like to say that that makes us even, but, alas, nothing ever will. Thank Heavens!" - An anonymous fan!

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