Changes for Historical ERA Settings over time...

Gambo · 06-11-2006, 11:00 AM

Does anybody have the changes that should be made for the historical era settings over time? Unfortunately these don't adjust as the league continues over time so I guess we have to do it manually.

The settings are

Use of Relievers
Use of Closers
Pitcher Endurance
Typical Rotation Size
Pinch Hit for Pitchers
Pinch Hit for Position Players
Defensive Substitutions
Stealing
Hit & Run
Bunting

BravesSince66 · 06-12-2006, 09:16 AM

I went back to 6.5 and took the settings from there. Don't know of another way to do it.

Lidstrom · 06-12-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BravesSince66

I went back to 6.5 and took the settings from there. Don't know of another way to do it.

Did you compile that and could you post it?

BravesSince66 · 06-12-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lidstrom

Did you compile that and could you post it?

I'll try to do that after work today. In the meantime, I believe the same ERA settings are available in the free download of OOTP5.

olivertheorem · 06-12-2006, 05:46 PM

I got these from importing seasons from the AROD database starting in 1901 and checking for when it changes the era settings.

Years, Relievers, Closers, Endurance, Rotation, PH/Pitchers, PH/Position Players, Defensive Subs, Stealing Bases, Hit & Run, Bunting

1901-18, VR, VR, High, 4-man, VR, R, N, VO, VO, VO
1919-40, VR, VR, Normal, 4-man, VR, R, N, N, O, O
1941-59, R, VR, Normal, 4-man, R, R, N, N, O, O
1960-73, N, R, Normal, 4-man, R, R, N, N, N, N
1974-91, O, VO, Normal, 5-man, O, R, N, O, N, R
1992-05, VO, VO, Low, 5-man, VO, R, N, N, R, VR

VR - Very Rarely
R - Rarely
N - Normal
O - Often
VO - Very Often

I don't know how historically accurate these necessarily are, but maybe it'll help.

Gambo · 06-12-2006, 06:07 PM

Awesome!

Syd Thrift · 06-12-2006, 09:49 PM

1901-02 should probably feature 3-man rotations. Once the schedule was expanded to 154 games, that seems to be about the time that managers began to utilize the 4th pitcher. Also, I'd lower the one-run strategies (stealing, hit and runs, and sacrifices) to "normal" by the mid-20s, raise them back to "often" during the war years, and then dip hit and run and steals to "very rarely" from 1946 to around 1959 or 1960. The game of the 40s and the 50s was very station to station.

Swimmer · 06-19-2006, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

Years, Relievers, Closers, Endurance, Rotation, PH/Pitchers, PH/Position Players, Defensive Subs, Stealing Bases, Hit & Run, Bunting

1901-18, VR, VR, High, 4-man, VR, R, N, VO, VO, VO

...

VR - Very Rarely
R - Rarely
N - Normal
O - Often
VO - Very Often

When I have Stealing Bases on Very Often I get hugely inflated SB numbers. In one historical starting in 1901, I had 4 guys over 900 steals by 1910, with the leader sporting almost 1,300.

Don't know if anyone else has seen this, but it has made me reluctant to use "Very Often" settings.

swampdragon · 06-19-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

1901-02 should probably feature 3-man rotations. Once the schedule was expanded to 154 games, that seems to be about the time that managers began to utilize the 4th pitcher. Also, I'd lower the one-run strategies (stealing, hit and runs, and sacrifices) to "normal" by the mid-20s, raise them back to "often" during the war years, and then dip hit and run and steals to "very rarely" from 1946 to around 1959 or 1960. The game of the 40s and the 50s was very station to station.

I think I disagree with this. In 1901, no pitcher started 1/3 of his teams games. A few were used more than in a regular four man rotation, but I think it was more in the mold of "use highest rested starter" than a regular three man rotation.

Gambo · 06-19-2006, 05:21 PM

I agree with the inflated stolen base numbers they are too high with the very often settings.

As for the 3-man rotation I think if you have the 3 man rotation set it pretty much will use the highest rested starter cuz the guys just never recover enough... then again I haven't tested this too much.

Lidstrom · 06-19-2006, 07:07 PM

Using a 3-man rotation, I had players with 55+ starts.

Lee · 06-19-2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambo

I agree with the inflated stolen base numbers they are too high with the very often settings.

As for the 3-man rotation I think if you have the 3 man rotation set it pretty much will use the highest rested starter cuz the guys just never recover enough... then again I haven't tested this too much.

Using the Arod/Garlon DB puts SB numbers very much back in line with what they should be in the early years, even a tad low in sime cases.

pstrickert · 06-29-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

I got these from importing seasons from the AROD database starting in 1901 and checking for when it changes the era settings.

Years, Relievers, Closers, Endurance, Rotation, PH/Pitchers, PH/Position Players, Defensive Subs, Stealing Bases, Hit & Run, Bunting

1901-18, VR, VR, High, 4-man, VR, R, N, VO, VO, VO
1919-40, VR, VR, Normal, 4-man, VR, R, N, N, O, O
1941-59, R, VR, Normal, 4-man, R, R, N, N, O, O
1960-73, N, R, Normal, 4-man, R, R, N, N, N, N
1974-91, O, VO, Normal, 5-man, O, R, N, O, N, R
1992-05, VO, VO, Low, 5-man, VO, R, N, N, R, VR

VR - Very Rarely
R - Rarely
N - Normal
O - Often
VO - Very Often

I don't know how historically accurate these necessarily are, but maybe it'll help.

I've simmed the 1957 MLB Season a number of times, trying to learn to use the modifiers for statistical accuracy. So far, I'm doing okay. But it's not unusual to see 18-20 losses for a starting pitcher, sometimes even 22 or 24. Can I change any settings to prevent the AI from continuing to trot out these losing pitchers? Wouldn't a 20-game loser at some point lose his spot in the rotation?

Syd Thrift · 06-30-2006, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lidstrom

Using a 3-man rotation, I had players with 55+ starts.

In a 140 game season? Upon further reflection, 4 man with "start highest rested" may be the way to go, but I get team leaders with 50 GS in a 3-man and a 140 game season and only around 36-37 with 4. That looks like you're almost exactly in the middle of 3 and 4. I'm thinking that with the way the game overuses relief pitchers in this era, going a bit high with the GS is going to give you a proper number of IPs for your top guys.

Lidstrom · 06-30-2006, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

In a 140 game season?

Yep. I will try your suggestion the next time I find the time to try starting up a historical league. Thanks.

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06-12-2006, 09:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
BravesSince66 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 233	I went back to 6.5 and took the settings from there. Don't know of another way to do it.

06-12-2006, 05:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
olivertheorem Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 37	I got these from importing seasons from the AROD database starting in 1901 and checking for when it changes the era settings. Years, Relievers, Closers, Endurance, Rotation, PH/Pitchers, PH/Position Players, Defensive Subs, Stealing Bases, Hit & Run, Bunting 1901-18, VR, VR, High, 4-man, VR, R, N, VO, VO, VO 1919-40, VR, VR, Normal, 4-man, VR, R, N, N, O, O 1941-59, R, VR, Normal, 4-man, R, R, N, N, O, O 1960-73, N, R, Normal, 4-man, R, R, N, N, N, N 1974-91, O, VO, Normal, 5-man, O, R, N, O, N, R 1992-05, VO, VO, Low, 5-man, VO, R, N, N, R, VR VR - Very Rarely R - Rarely N - Normal O - Often VO - Very Often I don't know how historically accurate these necessarily are, but maybe it'll help.

06-12-2006, 06:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Gambo All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 586	Awesome!

06-12-2006, 09:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Syd Thrift Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,552	1901-02 should probably feature 3-man rotations. Once the schedule was expanded to 154 games, that seems to be about the time that managers began to utilize the 4th pitcher. Also, I'd lower the one-run strategies (stealing, hit and runs, and sacrifices) to "normal" by the mid-20s, raise them back to "often" during the war years, and then dip hit and run and steals to "very rarely" from 1946 to around 1959 or 1960. The game of the 40s and the 50s was very station to station.

06-19-2006, 05:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
Gambo All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 586	I agree with the inflated stolen base numbers they are too high with the very often settings. As for the 3-man rotation I think if you have the 3 man rotation set it pretty much will use the highest rested starter cuz the guys just never recover enough... then again I haven't tested this too much.

06-19-2006, 07:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
Lidstrom Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 40	Using a 3-man rotation, I had players with 55+ starts.

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