great players retiring

[beltre13]

in my historical sim i have had great players retiring way to early and it has not been from injuries. some of the guys to retire early walter johnson and christy mathewson (both at age 28) and joe dimaggio and dizzy dean (both at age 24) is there any reason that this is occuring? i mean babe ruth retired the same year as dimaggio, but ruth was 42. is this just tottaly randomly happening?

[redmarkYankees]

There does seem to be an issue with pitchers. DiMaggio hasn't done anything in my tests either, I think he may be importing badly.

[beltre13]

yea its mostly pitchers that retire early for me, but when dimaggio retired, i pretty much lost all interest in my sim

[redmarkYankees]

He's never retired that young in my tests, he might just have had a talent drop and not developed. The game is still partly random. Just have another go.

[Lee]

I love the randomness of it, but it seems to be a bit too random sometimes. In my current sim, currently in 1915, started in 1871: (Note-Injuries were not a factor in any of these Careers)

Cy Young-retired after compiling a career 1-1 record.
Ty Cobb-is a career .294 hitter after 9 Seasons
Matty-retired with a losing record and loss than 160 wins.
Addie Joss-played 5 Seasons, all as a relief Pitcher.
Walter Johnson-banished to the Pen after 6 mediocre Years as a Starter.
Mordecai Brown-under 60 career wins, losing record.

There are 2-3 more, plus a host of mediocre players that excelled, but since I am at work, only these come to mind right away. You would think at least one or two of the Guys above would have had stellar Careers??? I am curious what others experience and if this is something you think should be tweaked

[redmarkYankees]

The only tweak I think could satisfy everyone on this would be a suggestion I saw raised last week, for there to be a 'slider' allowing fewer/more development changes. The fictional and online players could bump this up a little (complaints it's too predictable), the historical replay players (not all historical players) could bump it down a little (complaints it's too random).

[Lee]

Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

The only tweak I think could satisfy everyone on this would be a suggestion I saw raised last week, for there to be a 'slider' allowing fewer/more development changes. The fictional and online players could bump this up a little (complaints it's too predictable), the historical replay players (not all historical players) could bump it down a little (complaints it's too random).

I think that's a great idea RMY. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the surprises and usually they are reasonable. This last uni for whatever Reason was crazy. I will post my current leader boards when I get home....I am very well read on the Deadball era and prior and I had to go look up information on a couple of Guys I was not at all familiar with.

[Lee]

Dola, here are my leader boards so far, a few guys I had to research....again maybe too much variance, but it is kind of fun seeing some of these unknowns become great....

Single-Season Batting Career Batting 477 PA required for season rate statistics. 2000 PA required for career rate statistics. Player Value Board Stat Board Value Player John Dobbs .432 Season Batting Average Career .374 Jimmy Wolf Billy Hamilton .528 Season On-Base Pct Career .432 Piggy Ward Ed Delahanty .602 Season Slugging Pct Career .465 Sam Thompson Ed Delahanty 1.048 Season On-Base plus Slugging Pct Career .843 Louis Santop Ty Cobb 92.2 Season VORP Career 939.6 Mox McQuery Gavvy Cravath 156 Season Games Career 3605 Mox McQuery Nap Lajoie 649 Season At-Bats Career 12970 Jack Doyle Bob Caruthers 129 Season Runs Career 1765 Mike Tiernan Harry Steinfeldt 247 Season Hits Career 3775 Jack Doyle Sam Thompson 323 Season Total Bases Career 4984 Jack Doyle Harry Niles 216 Season Singles Career 3082 Mox McQuery Nap Lajoie 54 Season Doubles Career 623 Jack Stivetts Jimmy Wood 34 Season Triples Career 284 Jack Doyle Sam Thompson 26 Season Homeruns Career 208 Sam Thompson Sam Thompson 138 Season RBIs Career 1579 Jack Stivetts Spotswood Poles 78 Season Stolen Bases Career 630 John McGraw Fielder Jones 34 Season Caught Stealing Career 287 John McGraw Bill Joyce 178 Season Walks Career 1910 John McGraw Eduardo Mehjia 194 Season Strikeouts Career 1598 Ed Delahanty Single-Season Pitching Career Pitching 154 IP required for season rate statistics. 1000 IP required for career rate statistics. Player Value Board Stat Board Value Player Rick Lyman 0.56 Season Earned Runs Average Career 1.41 Dick McBride Dick McBride 41 Season Wins Career 396 Charlie Sweeney Cy Bentley 39 Season Losses Career 430 Charlie Sweeney Bill Stearns 1.000 Season Winning Percentage Career .876 Dick McBride Jack Sutthoff 19 Season Saves Career 128 Elías Murien Roy Hitt 90 Season Games Career 908 Charlie Sweeney J. O Neill 50 Season Games Started Career 908 Charlie Sweeney Pete Conway 45 Season Complete Games Career 720 Charlie Sweeney Dick McBride 19 Season Shutouts Career 76 Charlie Sweeney Dick McBride 444.0 Season Inning Pitched Career 7843.1 Charlie Sweeney Walt Hopp 525 Season Hits Allowed Career 6457 Charlie Buffinton Antonio Rogas 51 Season Homeruns Allowed Career 274 Charlie Sweeney Charlie Sweeney 457 Season Strikeouts Career 6392 Charlie Sweeney Palben Copetillo 299 Season Bases on Balls Career 2276 Charlie Sweeney Jorge Udani 0.00 Season Bases on Balls / 9 IP Career 0.22 J. O Neill Bill Stearns 4.88 Season Hit Allowed / 9 IP Career 6.73 Jack Pfiester Charlie Sweeney 9.83 Season Strikeouts / 9 IP Career 7.33 Charlie Sweeney Dick McBride 116.9 Season VORP Career 1253.1 Charlie Sweeney Bill Stearns 0.55 Season Walks + Hits / IP Career 0.81 Dick McBride Bill Stearns .159 Season Opponents AVG Career .213 Jack Pfiester Bill Stearns .160 Season Opponents OBP Career .221 Dick McBride Bill Stearns .184 Season Opponents SLG Career .264 Dick McBride Bill Stearns .352 Season Opponents OPS Career .485 Dick McBride

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[Lee]

Name: Ty Cobb Contract: Major League Contract Nickname: The Georgia Peach Salary: $350 Birthday: 12-18-1886 Signed Through: 1915 Season Age: 28 Years of Major League Service: 9 Years, None Born in: Narrows (Virginia) Major League Service Days this Year: 178 Days Nationality: American Height: 6' 0" Years on 40-Man Roster: None, None Weight: 175 lbs Years of Pro Service: 9 Years Arbitration Eligibility: Eligible, but possibly free agent after season! Position: RF Minor League Option Years: 3 option years left Bats: Left Throws: Right Contract Extention -

Career Batting Stats

Year/Team/League G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS VORP 1906 NYN - HBA 154 636 179 27 10 1 58 73 30 0 4 65 29 6 .281 .312 .360 .672 31.0 1907 NYN - HBA 154 633 183 30 7 0 65 74 37 0 6 61 43 16 .289 .325 .359 .684 32.1 1908 NYN - HBA 154 614 168 22 18 3 39 79 66 0 1 59 61 18 .274 .344 .383 .726 45.1 1909 NYN - HBA 153 596 148 26 15 4 57 85 72 0 10 75 68 15 .248 .324 .362 .687 35.1 1910 NYN - HBA 154 586 193 35 21 8 79 86 92 0 3 66 62 19 .329 .419 .502 .920 81.2 1911 NYN - HBA 154 586 195 31 26 14 90 108 99 0 5 52 72 17 .333 .426 .546 .972 92.2 1912 NYN - HBA 154 595 191 43 24 9 86 103 90 0 6 46 48 12 .321 .407 .519 .926 76.1 1913 NYN - HBA 154 622 181 35 16 9 64 90 62 0 3 62 43 15 .291 .354 .442 .796 41.9 1914 NYN - HBA 154 563 156 25 28 8 79 76 105 0 7 42 44 23 .277 .387 .464 .850 55.5 Total HBA 1385 5431 1594 274 165 56 617 774 653 0 45 528 470 141 .294 .367 .436 .802 490.2

Career Postseason Batting Stats

Year/Team/League G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS VORP 1908 NYN - HBA 5 20 9 1 2 0 3 5 2 0 0 2 0 0 .450 .500 .700 1.200 0.0 Total HBA 5 20 9 1 2 0 3 5 2 0 0 2 0 0 .450 .500 .700 1.200 0.0

[Eric]

I noticed this person retiring early in my historical simulation
Irv Young - Won rookie of the year and retired a year later.

Stuff 4
Movement 18
Control 12

Player History
06-15-1904 Drafted in the 1904 first-year player draft (Round 1, Pick 9, 9th overall Pick) by the Brooklyn Superbas.
08-09-1904 Pitches a 6-hit shutout against the New York Giants with 4 strikeouts and 0 BB allowed!
10-17-1904 Received a 1-year contract worth a total of $350,000 through automatic renewal.
11-06-1904 Was traded by the Brooklyn Superbas to the Chicago Orphans in exchange for LF K. Selbach, $3,000,000.
01-01-1905 SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 6 (5); Movement: 20 (19); Control: 16 (13).
04-28-1905 Pitches a 2-hit shutout against the St. Louis Cardinals with 2 strikeouts and 1 BB allowed!
05-29-1905 Pitches a 5-hit shutout against the Philadelphia Phillies with 3 strikeouts and 1 BB allowed!
06-21-1905 Pitches a 5-hit shutout against the Philadelphia Phillies with 3 strikeouts and 0 BB allowed!
07-01-1905 Wins the ML NL Pitcher of the Month Award.
07-01-1905 Wins the ML NL Rookie of the Month Award.
08-01-1905 Wins the ML NL Rookie of the Month Award.
08-06-1905 Pitches a 4-hit shutout against the Philadelphia Phillies with 4 strikeouts and 3 BB allowed!
08-28-1905 Pitches a 2-hit shutout against the Philadelphia Phillies with 1 strikeouts and 1 BB allowed!
09-23-1905 Won the 1905 Major League 1901 Round 1 with the Chicago Orphans!
10-05-1905 Wins the 1905 ML NL Newcomer of the Year Award.
10-18-1905 Received a 1-year contract worth a total of $350,000 through automatic renewal.
01-01-1906 SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 5 (5); Movement: 19 (19); Control: 13 (13).
01-01-1907 SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Stuff: 4 (4); Movement: 19 (19); Control: 12 (12).
09-24-1907 Retired from professional baseball.

[BruceM]

When these guys retired, did you check to see if they had ratings drops or anything like put up poor numbers for a couple seasons? Or did they retire while on top of their game?

You have to remember, names mean nothing to OOTP.

Babe Ruth, Christy Mathewson, Ty Cobb, Joe D, they are all Joe Schmo to the AI. That's why I'm asking about their performance.

[No Pepper]

Well with Irv Young above, looks like he moved to the bullpen. Reason may have been that the Phillies boycotted Chicago or put out a contract on his life. Check news for 1905 - 4 SHO's against them!

[Cool Papa Bell]

Even when I was playing OOTP 6, I had some anomolies like that as well. Cy Young didn't get to 200 wins and Cobb was a career .304 hitter, though he did hit .394 one season. Most of his early years of hitting .270 pulled down his career average, since I think he hit over .350 3 times.

I've learned not to really expect 'real' statistics, since the dynamic of the teams in my league are changed from real life. I usually let the AI make their own trades and each year's first-year player draft is a true draft and I don't assign rookies to their real life teams. Christy only won 250 games in my sim because the Giants didn't have Mugsy McGraw around to pull all of the best players over to New York. Team dynamics have a huge effect on things I think.

In OOTP 2006 recently, I had King Kelly retire at age 28 for no apparent reason. One day I looked in the retired players list and there he was, 0 for all his ratings and all. And he was coming off a decent year... .312 average or so. Maybe he fell off a mule and hit his head, or fell over the Niagara Falls bridge like Ed Delahanty. I miss the days of guys going on the DL because of a bar fight in OOTP 6! I haven't seen any of those in 2006 yet...lots of torn MCL's and Ruptured Disk Back's though.

John McGraw missed a chunk of the 1903 season as manager when Dummy Taylor pegged him in the face with a baseball in warmups, so hey, anything could happen back then. Heck, maybe diptheria got the King for all I know.

[Tycobbler]

Have you guys noticed players coming out of retirement and coaching,scouting and managing ? It's happening in my Historical replay. Joe Sewell is porbably the most notable. Played from 1923-1935 currently a bench coach for Detroit on a 5 year contract lol. That to me is cool !

As for early retirement, Walter Johnson checked out early on me too, but i've seen nice careers too in Ruth's 722 homeruns, Cy Youngs 404 wins, Ed Walshs' 1.03 era year @ 20-7 oh and i have to add the 1952,1953, and 1954 world series between Brooklyn and the Yankees; Yankees in 7 '52, Dodgers in 7 '53, and Yankees in 5 '54 (Duke Snider and Mantle winning the Babe Ruth award each year for their respective leagues)

luvin it guys !