Multi-Team Trades?

[yankecrazy]

Is it possible to do 3 team trades in OOTP 2006? I'd love to know, I have some deals I'd like to work out, but obviously they can't happen if the game doesn't support 3-team deals.

If they don't, that'd be a great thing to add for next year...

Thanks,

~Yankecrazy

[robster1225]

I don't think this is possible, but I could be wrong. I've never tried it, but I've also never heard of anyone doing it.

[yankecrazy]

Thanks, yeah, I don't know if there is...it doesn't seem to be possible, but maybe someone else here would know...

~YC

[chimanbj]

You could turn on the commissioner mode and "force trade" it. The "news" may not be right, but you could try it...

[darkcloud4579]

I actually do them on a random occasion and have in OOTP in the past.

Three-team trades aren't -- even in real life -- three-team trades. So, what you would have to do is make a deal like you would normally and then take one of the players you just received in the deal and deal that player elsewhere immediately. That's a three-team deal by definition.

So, you wouldn't even have to use commish mode to do it in theory.

[mgom27]

The Carlos Beltran trade to the Astros was one.

[yankecrazy]

Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

I actually do them on a random occasion and have in OOTP in the past.

Three-team trades aren't -- even in real life -- three-team trades. So, what you would have to do is make a deal like you would normally and then take one of the players you just received in the deal and deal that player elsewhere immediately. That's a three-team deal by definition.

So, you wouldn't even have to use commish mode to do it in theory.

Not actually true. In a lot of three team deals each team recieves players from the other team. In your scenario above, that wouldn't be possible.

Your Method Produces These Results:
Trade #1
Team A:
Gets Player 1 (from Team B)
Gets Player 2 (from Team B)
Team B (My Team):
Gets Player 3 (from Team A)
Gets Player 4 (from Team A)
Trade #2
Team C:
Gets Player 5 (from Team B)
Gets Player 3 (via Team B, from Team A)
Team B (My Team):
Gets Player 6 (from Team C)
Gets Player 7 (from Team C)
Gets Player 8 (from Team C, who I want to be on Team A)

These are the actual results that I want (which I realize I could get by turing on commish. mode and forcing the players onto those teams...)

3-Team Trade

Team A:
Gets Player 1 (From Team B)
Gets Player 2 (From Team B)
Gets Player 8 (From Team C)
Team B:
Gets Player 4 (From Team A)
Gets Player 6 (From Team C)
Gets Player 7 (From Team C)

Team C:
Gets Player 3 (From Team A)
Gets Player 5 (From Team B)

Anyway, guess it isn't possible. Thanks - hopefully they'll add this sometime in the future. For a game that is supposed to have "all the things a GM can do," I think this is a HUGE thing for them to miss, and something that is not that hard to incorporate.

Thanks again for your responses.

~Yankecrazy

[chimanbj]

Originally Posted by yankecrazy

These are the actual results that I want (which I realize I could get by turing on commish. mode and forcing the players onto those teams...)

3-Team Trade

Team A:
Gets Player 1 (From Team B)
Gets Player 2 (From Team B)
Gets Player 8 (From Team C)
Team B:
Gets Player 4 (From Team A)
Gets Player 6 (From Team C)
Gets Player 7 (From Team C)

Team C:
Gets Player 3 (From Team A)
Gets Player 5 (From Team B)

Anyway, guess it isn't possible. Thanks - hopefully they'll add this sometime in the future. For a game that is supposed to have "all the things a GM can do," I think this is a HUGE thing for them to miss, and something that is not that hard to incorporate.

Thanks again for your responses.

~Yankecrazy

Don't give up. Let's look at your scenario:
Team A - Players 3, 4
Team B - Players 1, 2, 5
Team C - Players 6, 7, 8

You want the final result to be:
Team A - Players 1, 2, 8
Team B - Players 4, 6, 7
Team C - Players 3, 5

It takes 3 trades, but it can be done...
Trade #1
Team B gets players 6, 7 from Team C
Team C gets player 5 from Team B

Trade #2
Team A gets player 8 from Team C
Team C gets player 3 from Team A

Trade #3
Team A gets players 1, 2 from Team B
Team B gets player 4 from Team A

Final result:
Team A has players 1, 2, 8
Team B has players 4, 6, 7
Team C has players 3, 5

[yankecrazy]

Originally Posted by chimanbj

Don't give up. Let's look at your scenario:
Team A - Players 3, 4
Team B - Players 1, 2, 5
Team C - Players 6, 7, 8

You want the final result to be:
Team A - Players 1, 2, 8
Team B - Players 4, 6, 7
Team C - Players 3, 5

It takes 3 trades, but it can be done...
Trade #1
Team B gets players 6, 7 from Team C
Team C gets player 5 from Team B

Trade #2
Team A gets player 8 from Team C
Team C gets player 3 from Team A

Trade #3
Team A gets players 1, 2 from Team B
Team B gets player 4 from Team A

Final result:
Team A has players 1, 2, 8
Team B has players 4, 6, 7
Team C has players 3, 5

Of course, I know I could do it that way (which would be by turning on commish mode, because if I only control Team B, I can't make teams A & C complete trade #2), but it isn't how I want it to go down.
I don't know whether the team(s) would actually accept the trade that way. I would actually force the deal, and I wouldn't get counter-offers or anything like that.
But I guess that is my only option. I'll just have to determine if it is a fair trade and put it in motion.

Thanks for all the help everyone.

~YC

[Zeyes]

Originally Posted by yankecrazy

I think this is a HUGE thing for them to miss, and something that is not that hard to incorporate.

I think you're underestimating the necessary programming work on the AI by quite a bit here, unless you just want it to work in such a way that you (as the human player) propose all the involved player movements, even the intra-AI ones. In that case, you might as well just use the commissioner work-around.

[yankecrazy]

Originally Posted by Zeyes

I think you're underestimating the necessary programming work on the AI by quite a bit here, unless you just want it to work in such a way that you (as the human player) propose all the involved player movements, even the intra-AI ones. In that case, you might as well just use the commissioner work-around.

I understand that it would be a lot of programing, however, I think it is do-able, and should be included. Seeing as how the CPU AI can offer and complete trades with one-another, I think they it should be capable of responding to a 3-team deal. I'm not saying that the CPU should propose them, nor that they should respond to one another in regards to the deal, but rather that the Human should propose the entire trade (including intra-AI ones) and BOTH teams should respond, saying whether the trade is acceptable.

It wouldn't be a frequently used feature, but it would allow for CPU AI feedback on the fairness of the trade before completion, which commish mode does not allow for. Personally, I think that a game as indepth as this one should include this feature. It's not a make-or-break feature, but it's a nice one to have.

~YC