Errors in display

Curtis · 10-24-2006, 07:19 AM

I ran into a couple of problems in my Oriental universe tonight. I'll list them separately.

The first problem revealed itself when I turned off the scouting system. I discovered that some of the positional defense ratings weren't displaying.
M. Ohayashi was listed at left and right field, but not in Center. (His defense in center is a 9.)
I. Hamacho was listed at third base, but not at second or short (second base 53, short 38).
K. Kichida was listed at second base, but not at short or third (shortstop 38, third base 47).
T. Nakahata was also listed at second base, but not at short or third (shortstop 46, third base 56).

I had occassionally encountered this problem while scouting was turned on, but those times it was always when the fielding value at that position was under twenty, so I thought of it as a kind of rounding error. Obviously, that's no longer the case with scouting off.

Goodsox · 10-25-2006, 11:50 AM

Curtis,

Can you please post some screenshots as examples? Thanks.

Curtis · 10-25-2006, 01:02 PM

How do I do a screen shot? If it makes a difference, I have a Mac. When you explain, please keep in mind that I'm a computer illiterate.

Goodsox · 10-25-2006, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis Cook

How do I do a screen shot? If it makes a difference, I have a Mac. When you explain, please keep in mind that I'm a computer illiterate.

We have a problem then because I am MAC illiterate

Can anyone tell us how to post a screenshot on a MAC? On a PC you just click on ALT and the Print Screen button. Then you paste the information into an image program such as Microsoft Paint and save the file as a .jpg. I don't know if that will work on a MAC though.

Curtis · 10-25-2006, 02:15 PM

I have no 'print screen' button on my keyboard, and I'm not sure what an image program is. I'll try asking my local Mac Guy what's going on with this.

Curtis · 10-25-2006, 04:28 PM

I can't send you a screenshot. The applicable Mac application is called 'Grab'. Unfortunately, Grab only creates .tiff files, and I see that that isn't a valid file extension for this board. I'll try to tell you exactly what I'm seeing from the four shots I took.

On the Depth Chart page for the Hokkaido-Nippon Ham Fighters, I have three second basemen listed. On the Position Ratings view, with scouting turned off, it says that:
T. Nakahata has a fielding rating (on the 1-100 scale) of 61 at second base, with dashes for every other position.
K. Kichida is a 54 at second base, with dashes for every other position.
I. Hamacho is a 62 at third base, with a dash for every other position.

Second shot is Tanzan Nakahata's Editor page, in the lower right corner. It reads:
Position — second base; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 121
Position — shortstop; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 92

Third shot is Kyuichi Kichida's Editor page, in the lower right corner. It reads:
Position — second base; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 106
Position — shortstop; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 75

Fourth shot is Ichiro Hamacho's Editor page, in the lower right corner. It reads:
Position — second base; Experience — 150; Resulting Rating — 79 (I edited this down since my first post)
Position — third base; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 123

As you can 'see', Nakahata and Kichida are missing their shortstop ratings, and Hamacho is missing his second base rating. This makes it very difficult to keep track of which players can play what positions. I hope this clairifies the situation.

Goodsox · 10-27-2006, 07:18 PM

Still a little confusing without a screenshot, but I think I am following you. What are the infield range and error ratings for these players. This also helps to determine what their overall rating is at a position and whether that will be listed.

Curtis · 10-27-2006, 10:03 PM

Nakahata — infield range 132 — infield error 129
Kichida — infield range 111 — infield error 140
Hamacho — infiels range 112 — infield error 162

Goodsox · 10-30-2006, 08:56 AM

Ok, I messed around with this a bit. What is the turn double plays rating set for
T. Nakahata? If it is too low, then his position will not be displayed for second base and shortstop.

Curtis · 10-31-2006, 09:44 PM

Nakhata — Turn DP 96 — Infield Arm 51
Kichida — Turn DP 95 — Infield Arm 41
Hamacha — Turn DP 53 — Infield Arm 133
(Just 'cause I thought you might ask.)

The problem isn't that these guys don't have ratings good enough to get them listed, the problem is that, even though their numbers are good enough, they're not getting listed, anyway. And they aren't the only ones. Of the 84 players in my system now, four (the ones listed in my opening post) are affected. Of the fifty or so who've passed through my system but didn't stick, there were another two or three. With the exceptions of these three guys, all of the 'missing' ratings are under 20 in the editor, which means they'd be in single digits on the positional ratings chart. (Note; I've edited my starting post to reflect that.)

For that reason, the others don't seriously concern me, but these three infielders are missing ratings at positions they're darn good at, and in two cases at their default positions. THAT is a problem.

battists · 11-11-2006, 10:34 PM

Curtis, if you can e-mail me the tiff files at steve.battisti @ ootpdevelopments.com, I can post the screenshots.

Curtis · 11-12-2006, 03:16 AM

Done, but it's 2.3 MB, so don't be surprised if it bounces.

battists · 11-14-2006, 09:09 AM

1998 Yankees · 11-15-2006, 11:31 AM

Hmmm. I note in the depth chart screen that scouting is by SISA. SISA is notorious for incomplete scouting analysis, leaving out some ratings while posting others, as I have seen in my game. This is why you employ regular scouts for more complete analysis. Could this be the cause? Test: Select a scout who has scouted the team recently or turn off scouting altogether and look at the same depth chart screen.

Curtis · 11-16-2006, 02:02 AM

In spite of what the screen says, scouting is NOT by SISA in those shots. For the purposes of taking those pictures I turned scouting off. When scouting is off, it SAYS scouting by SISA. Don't ask me why.

It was a good thought, though.

1998 Yankees · 11-16-2006, 09:51 AM

That's true. When you turn scouting off, all the ratings appear and it may say SISA or the last scout that you used. So, if that screen is with scouting off, you do have a problem!

Sorry, Curtis, I thought that I had nailed this one for you.

Curtis · 11-17-2006, 04:39 PM

This bug may turn out to be related to one I previously reported ('Financial Bug' in the Logged Issues section). I posted there this afternoon to say that that one had also turned out to be a display error. In that one, the numbers claimed (showed that) they were altered from what I entered to $1, but internally the engine was treating them as if they were the numbers I entered.

If the game is recognizing the actual fielders' ratings, but not displaying them, how would I know? And is that a more easily correctable bug?

Goodsox · 11-23-2006, 12:25 PM

Curtis,

I think you are correct that this may be related to the other bug in logged issues. I will add a note to that TT that this may be occurring in other areas. Thanks.

10-24-2006, 07:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	Errors in display I ran into a couple of problems in my Oriental universe tonight. I'll list them separately. The first problem revealed itself when I turned off the scouting system. I discovered that some of the positional defense ratings weren't displaying. M. Ohayashi was listed at left and right field, but not in Center. (His defense in center is a 9.) I. Hamacho was listed at third base, but not at second or short (second base 53, short 38). K. Kichida was listed at second base, but not at short or third (shortstop 38, third base 47). T. Nakahata was also listed at second base, but not at short or third (shortstop 46, third base 56). I had occassionally encountered this problem while scouting was turned on, but those times it was always when the fielding value at that position was under twenty, so I thought of it as a kind of rounding error. Obviously, that's no longer the case with scouting off. __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh Last edited by Curtis : 10-31-2006 at 09:46 PM. Reason: found an error in Ohayashi's entry

10-25-2006, 11:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Goodsox Moderator* Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,332	Curtis, Can you please post some screenshots as examples? Thanks. __________________ GoodSox Go White Sox!

10-25-2006, 01:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	How do I do a screen shot? If it makes a difference, I have a Mac. When you explain, please keep in mind that I'm a computer illiterate. __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh

10-25-2006, 02:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	I have no 'print screen' button on my keyboard, and I'm not sure what an image program is. I'll try asking my local Mac Guy what's going on with this. __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh

10-25-2006, 04:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	I can't send you a screenshot. The applicable Mac application is called 'Grab'. Unfortunately, Grab only creates .tiff files, and I see that that isn't a valid file extension for this board. I'll try to tell you exactly what I'm seeing from the four shots I took. On the Depth Chart page for the Hokkaido-Nippon Ham Fighters, I have three second basemen listed. On the Position Ratings view, with scouting turned off, it says that: T. Nakahata has a fielding rating (on the 1-100 scale) of 61 at second base, with dashes for every other position. K. Kichida is a 54 at second base, with dashes for every other position. I. Hamacho is a 62 at third base, with a dash for every other position. Second shot is Tanzan Nakahata's Editor page, in the lower right corner. It reads: Position — second base; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 121 Position — shortstop; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 92 Third shot is Kyuichi Kichida's Editor page, in the lower right corner. It reads: Position — second base; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 106 Position — shortstop; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 75 Fourth shot is Ichiro Hamacho's Editor page, in the lower right corner. It reads: Position — second base; Experience — 150; Resulting Rating — 79 (I edited this down since my first post) Position — third base; Experience — 200; Resulting Rating — 123 As you can 'see', Nakahata and Kichida are missing their shortstop ratings, and Hamacho is missing his second base rating. This makes it very difficult to keep track of which players can play what positions. I hope this clairifies the situation. __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh

10-27-2006, 07:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Goodsox Moderator* Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,332	Still a little confusing without a screenshot, but I think I am following you. What are the infield range and error ratings for these players. This also helps to determine what their overall rating is at a position and whether that will be listed. __________________ GoodSox Go White Sox!

10-27-2006, 10:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	Nakahata — infield range 132 — infield error 129 Kichida — infield range 111 — infield error 140 Hamacho — infiels range 112 — infield error 162 __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh

10-30-2006, 08:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
Goodsox Moderator* Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,332	Ok, I messed around with this a bit. What is the turn double plays rating set for T. Nakahata? If it is too low, then his position will not be displayed for second base and shortstop. __________________ GoodSox Go White Sox!

10-31-2006, 09:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	Nakhata — Turn DP 96 — Infield Arm 51 Kichida — Turn DP 95 — Infield Arm 41 Hamacha — Turn DP 53 — Infield Arm 133 (Just 'cause I thought you might ask.) The problem isn't that these guys don't have ratings good enough to get them listed, the problem is that, even though their numbers are good enough, they're not getting listed, anyway. And they aren't the only ones. Of the 84 players in my system now, four (the ones listed in my opening post) are affected. Of the fifty or so who've passed through my system but didn't stick, there were another two or three. With the exceptions of these three guys, all of the 'missing' ratings are under 20 in the editor, which means they'd be in single digits on the positional ratings chart. (Note; I've edited my starting post to reflect that.) For that reason, the others don't seriously concern me, but these three infielders are missing ratings at positions they're darn good at, and in two cases at their default positions. THAT is a problem. __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh

11-11-2006, 10:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
battists Administrator Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 14,121	Curtis, if you can e-mail me the tiff files at steve.battisti @ ootpdevelopments.com, I can post the screenshots.

11-12-2006, 03:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	Done, but it's 2.3 MB, so don't be surprised if it bounces. __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh

11-14-2006, 09:09 AM	#13 (permalink)
battists Administrator Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 14,121

11-15-2006, 11:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium Posts: 5,592	Hmmm. I note in the depth chart screen that scouting is by SISA. SISA is notorious for incomplete scouting analysis, leaving out some ratings while posting others, as I have seen in my game. This is why you employ regular scouts for more complete analysis. Could this be the cause? Test: Select a scout who has scouted the team recently or turn off scouting altogether and look at the same depth chart screen. __________________ The 1998 Yankees are considered to be among the The Best Major League Baseball Teams Ever From 1902-2005 by Baseball Almanac. They were 68-20 at home that year (including playoffs and World Series) in the original Yankee Stadium (1923-2008), "Where Players Became Legends." Last edited by 1998 Yankees : 11-15-2006 at 11:36 AM.

11-16-2006, 02:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	In spite of what the screen says, scouting is NOT by SISA in those shots. For the purposes of taking those pictures I turned scouting off. When scouting is off, it SAYS scouting by SISA. Don't ask me why. It was a good thought, though. __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh

11-16-2006, 09:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium Posts: 5,592	That's true. When you turn scouting off, all the ratings appear and it may say SISA or the last scout that you used. So, if that screen is with scouting off, you do have a problem! Sorry, Curtis, I thought that I had nailed this one for you. __________________ The 1998 Yankees are considered to be among the The Best Major League Baseball Teams Ever From 1902-2005 by Baseball Almanac. They were 68-20 at home that year (including playoffs and World Series) in the original Yankee Stadium (1923-2008), "Where Players Became Legends."

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11-17-2006, 04:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 2,585	This bug may turn out to be related to one I previously reported ('Financial Bug' in the Logged Issues section). I posted there this afternoon to say that that one had also turned out to be a display error. In that one, the numbers claimed (showed that) they were altered from what I entered to $1, but internally the engine was treating them as if they were the numbers I entered. If the game is recognizing the actual fielders' ratings, but not displaying them, how would I know? And is that a more easily correctable bug? __________________ Continuing a campaign to promote adding a 'mass select' option to Out of the Park 10. sigh

11-23-2006, 12:25 PM	#18 (permalink)
Goodsox Moderator* Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,332	Curtis, I think you are correct that this may be related to the other bug in logged issues. I will add a note to that TT that this may be occurring in other areas. Thanks. __________________ GoodSox Go White Sox!