Franchise Stars Rosters '06

[CareerOver]

GForce, don't worry about roster sizes or minors too much. truthfully, once the league's years start piling up it takes a mind of its own...at least that's how I played your previous version..

[GForce]

Originally Posted by CareerOver

G-Force, I really enjoyed your first Franchise set. In fact, that was my main league for 6.5(1)..:-) I must have spent God knows how long simming that league. Did you get any idea of how to handle your latest snag with the Ammy draft/Negroes/Free Agents...don't sweat it too much if you don't have to. Are you better off just making Negros and Japanese players on their own team? I'm really anxious to use your new version for OOTP2006, man. What makes your set unique is everyone's ages. I just really appreciate your contributions to the OOTP community.

Thanks for the kind words. I've asked and other beta testers have shared the problem, so hopefully it will be addressed in one form or another soon.

Right now I've got the Washington franchise with mostly Negro Leaguers and some Japanese guys as well. To limit it to one team for each would really keep more of them out of the set than I want, but adding too many more teams and I'd have to, I think, add divisions and consider wild cards and such, and I really don't want to do that.

By the nature of how I did things, though, the Washington team isn't just the top 40 or whatever...so there are a lot of top Negro Leaguers and Japanese players who are available for the draft...Cool Papa Bell, for example. So I really need these guys to be in there for the draft, because I think the first draft is a cool feature

We'll see what happens. I have a ton of ratings sheets to compile anyway before I get to entering anything, so there's time for this to be fixed/addressed.

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[GForce]

Just did my first team of hitting ratings under my new method, the Atlanta/Milwaukee Braves. And I can already tell the new way is going to create some fun scenarios.

When I first created the set, one of the real big things I wanted was to see how things would be handled by teams who were deep at a position in their history, and this would be accomplished by having to deal with the different ages. But, because of how I handled aging, basically deducting from all younger guys and guys at the end regardless of how they actually performed at those stages of their careers, I eliminated that in a lot of respects. I started young guys off too bad, and it was a real climb for them to try and be good. So those position battles and management decisions often didn't take place.

Now a guy who is good young won't be punished. That will be accounted for. Take a guy like Bob Horner, for example. Slammed 20+ homers in 300 ABs his first year. He was good from the start. Why should he be punished for that? Or David Justice. On other teams, your Derek Jeters, Dwight Goodens...these guys will no longer be automatically reduced by virtue of age. And that's going to make this set a LOT more interesting I think.

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[captskillet]

how about a set where the last 4 expansion teams have there own squad instead of being combined into one team ( I know its hard to find an All-Star for them ! ) and set up along current MLB lines?

[GForce]

Originally Posted by captskillet

how about a set where the last 4 expansion teams have there own squad instead of being combined into one team ( I know its hard to find an All-Star for them ! ) and set up along current MLB lines?

Nah...too many poor players would be involved. The way the rest of the teams have been expanded, trying to find roughly 50 Devil Rays...just don't think it works and have no plan on doing it that way, at least not for now.

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[captskillet]

you are right about that Gforce...........I did a season disk like this for BBW and I had a hard time finding 27 or 28 guys to put on the rosters (esp pitchers) I will def. do a season based on it when its ready!!!

[GForce]

The other thing the new method is going to do is give those teams with less history a fighting chance, because the young players aren't guaranteed to be bad. Basically, with the age structure, teams formed from the 60's on had many young players and, since their numbers were so minimized by my poorly thought out age modification, they all started out poor. But now, if those guys were good from day one, they'll be able to play well at the start.

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[GForce]

Hitting ratings done for 7 teams. Still have to be entered into the game, but I've got the ratings written down for them. We're still a good ways away from a v1, but there's a shot at July 1.

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[Royals]

This is great to hear. I have been using your last version on OOTP 2006. Don't forget to add Albert Pujols.

Thanks for your work. It is great.

Royals

[GForce]

Originally Posted by Royals

This is great to hear. I have been using your last version on OOTP 2006. Don't forget to add Albert Pujols.

Thanks for your work. It is great.

Royals

Thanks for the kind words, and yes, Pujols will be added, as will lots of other stars of the past 3 or 4 years.

I'm using 1,000 PAs for hitter eligibility. So the Mets will add Wright and Reyes, for example. Khalil Greene makes it by that measure. Haven't figured out who all will be added, but Pujols will definitely top that list.

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[HolyCow98]

Nice...I've always found your roster very easy to get into due to the attention to detail. I've had a ton of leagues over the years but the two sets I was able to sustain for a very long time were your Total Minors set (for OOTP 5?) and Rolen17's set for OOTP 3. Now you both are involved in projects....very cool.

[GForce]

Originally Posted by HolyCow98

Nice...I've always found your roster very easy to get into due to the attention to detail. I've had a ton of leagues over the years but the two sets I was able to sustain for a very long time were your Total Minors set (for OOTP 5?) and Rolen17's set for OOTP 3. Now you both are involved in projects....very cool.

Thank you. I am as excited about this set as any I've put together. Hopefully you will be as well.

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[GForce]

9 teams of hitting sheets done. Man, the Tigers can HIT!!!

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[Raidergoo]

How about the Brewers? I am very concerned about Paul Molitor, Ben Oglvie, Gorman Thomas, and Robin Yount. I can't wait to pit them against some guys from the Big Red Machine.

[GForce]

Figured I'd give you an idea of how I'm doing ratings...I happen to be doing the alltime Tigers squad now, so we'll take Alan Trammell.

Anatomy of ratings: Alan Trammell

Rookie year: 1977

On my age scale, that will make him 22 for the purpose of this roster set. So Trammell was 22 in 1980.

Trammell's translated batting statistics (which normalize a players season so all across eras can be evaluated more easily) for 1980 are as follows:

.296 BA 23 2B 4 3b 13 HR 69 BB 73 SO

He had 537 ABs, so for 550 ABs, the game's standard measurement, we get:

.296 24 2B 4 3B 14 HR 71 BB 75 SO

We then go to retrosheet.org and get his career splits

vs LHP 844/2881 (.293) 160 2B 21 3B 73 HR 335 BB 235 SO 10 HBP
vs RHP 1521/5407 (.281) 252 2B 34 3B 112 HR 515 BB 639 SO 27 HBP

We equalize these splits and then run the 1980 stats along the splits, leading us to:
AVG 2B 3B HR BB SO
vs L 0.302 26 4 14 78 60
vs R 0.29 22 4 12 64 89

So Trammell starts out good, far better than he did under the old set. He was good young, so why make him stink?

His starting ratings:

CON GAP PWR PAT EYE
vs L 137 105 85 128 150
vs R 125 90 75 114 114

Now let's look at his talents...basically, we look at his best figures from after the year we base his rookie year on.

AVG .360 41 2B 6 3B 28 HR 72 BB 44 SO

These are based on different seasons, altered to reflect 550 ABs.

So, based on those figures...talent ratings are

CON GAP PWR PAT EYE
195 167 135 122 170

That's a heck of a player if he reaches his potential.

Just figured I'd post it...now 10 teams' hitting ratings done.

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[GForce]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

How about the Brewers? I am very concerned about Paul Molitor, Ben Oglvie, Gorman Thomas, and Robin Yount. I can't wait to pit them against some guys from the Big Red Machine.

I haven't gotten to the Brewers yet, but I'll post a few of these guys once I do.

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[jf7623]

Originally Posted by GForce

Figured I'd give you an idea of how I'm doing ratings...I happen to be doing the alltime Tigers squad now, so we'll take Alan Trammell.

Anatomy of ratings: Alan Trammell

Rookie year: 1977

On my age scale, that will make him 22 for the purpose of this roster set. So Trammell was 22 in 1980.

Trammell's translated batting statistics (which normalize a players season so all across eras can be evaluated more easily) for 1980 are as follows:

.296 BA 23 2B 4 3b 13 HR 69 BB 73 SO

He had 537 ABs, so for 550 ABs, the game's standard measurement, we get:

.296 24 2B 4 3B 14 HR 71 BB 75 SO

We then go to retrosheet.org and get his career splits

vs LHP 844/2881 (.293) 160 2B 21 3B 73 HR 335 BB 235 SO 10 HBP
vs RHP 1521/5407 (.281) 252 2B 34 3B 112 HR 515 BB 639 SO 27 HBP

We equalize these splits and then run the 1980 stats along the splits, leading us to:
AVG 2B 3B HR BB SO
vs L 0.302 26 4 14 78 60
vs R 0.29 22 4 12 64 89

So Trammell starts out good, far better than he did under the old set. He was good young, so why make him stink?

His starting ratings:

CON GAP PWR PAT EYE
vs L 137 105 85 128 150
vs R 125 90 75 114 114

Now let's look at his talents...basically, we look at his best figures from after the year we base his rookie year on.

AVG .360 41 2B 6 3B 28 HR 72 BB 44 SO

These are based on different seasons, altered to reflect 550 ABs.

So, based on those figures...talent ratings are

CON GAP PWR PAT EYE
195 167 135 122 170

That's a heck of a player if he reaches his potential.

Just figured I'd post it...now 10 teams' hitting ratings done.

GH

So what is your method for the starting ratings and talent ratings? I saw your stats posted, but I wondering if you had a way to transcribe the stats into ratings. Alan Trammel is a beast by this

[GForce]

Originally Posted by jf7623

So what is your method for the starting ratings and talent ratings? I saw your stats posted, but I wondering if you had a way to transcribe the stats into ratings. Alan Trammel is a beast by this

He's a beast IF he reaches his full potential in all talents. At the start, he's what he was in real life...a very good player.

I have an age scale by which players who started more recently begin in Franchise Stars as younger players, and guys who played longer ago start out older. Ty Cobb for example is near the end of his career, 36 I believe. So Cobb's starting ratings are based how he played when he was 36. Trammell's starting ratings are how he played as of when he was 22, in this case 1980.

Their talents are their best numbers in each category from any season after which they began in real life. Trammell's high BA was .343 in 1987. Normalized, that's a .360 BA. His peak normalized doubles figure, adjusted for 550 ABs, was 41 in 1984. And so on.

The odds of him reaching his full potential in each category are slim, I would think. But it's possible.

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[Scoman]

I think it would be better just to make a roster of the alltime best players ever,not by team,because this will leave alot of good players out.

[GForce]

Originally Posted by Scoman

I think it would be better just to make a roster of the alltime best players ever,not by team,because this will leave alot of good players out.

If that's what you want, when this is done, release all the players and do a draft. Same thing.

This will leave virtually nobody worth anything out. That's the point. It's not being limited to the best 25 of each franchise...the Twins/Senators roster, for example, has more than 70 players, and will probably see a few more added. Each franchise will have at least 50 guys. Plus a draft list of 200+ negro leaguers and Japanese all stars. So if you can find someone who I leave out who is worthy, feel free to let me know and I will develop ratings for that player.

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