Franchise Stars Rosters '06 - Page 5

GForce · 07-20-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kagnew35

Arrrrrgh, You put fisk on white sox, left off jimmy collins and have tris sopeaker not on red sox, shame also carl mays and eddie ciccotte belong to red sox.

Other than thatm, great job.

would also like to see mickey mcdermott in red sox

Fisk played more games for the White Sox, hence the decision. Speaker played almost 500 more games for the Indians than the Red Sox. Easy decision there. Mays, however, should go to the Red Sox. I'll make that change. But absolutely no possible way Cicotte belongs to the Red Sox over the White Sox. Not even remotely close by any objective measure.

Collins will also be added. McDermott really wasn't particularly good, though he could certainly be added. I'll keep him in mind when I do final adds.

GH

GForce · 07-20-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

I know he hasn't been around all that long yet, but if Matt Morris makes the all time Cardinals,then Pujols should too

Also, Vince Coleman. and Terry Pendleton

Pendleton is in the set as a Brave now but will be moved (I'll be reviewing guys who should be moved to different teams before release, so anybody you see certainly point out. Oddly, Cardinals fans who responded when I initially polled didn't pick Pendleton...but if he's in the set he certainly rates more there than in Atlanta, despite the MVP award.

Pujols will absolutely be added when I update guys as of the past three years. I posted this a bit earlier in the thread. He's in line to be added, trust me.

I thought I had Coleman in the minors for the Cards. If not, I'll be sure to add.

GH

GForce · 07-20-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jzicc

I think we can all go through and point out problems -- but I think you may hear him jumping off a bridge if we all rattle him with every change before he is even done ---

Stuff like that is fine. Ratings stuff I don't want to hear about now because they aren't done. But personnel stuff, absolutely. It's why I was glad to post the rosters.

GH

APujols5 · 07-20-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GForce

Pendleton is in the set as a Brave now but will be moved (I'll be reviewing guys who should be moved to different teams before release, so anybody you see certainly point out. Oddly, Cardinals fans who responded when I initially polled didn't pick Pendleton...but if he's in the set he certainly rates more there than in Atlanta, despite the MVP award.

Pujols will absolutely be added when I update guys as of the past three years. I posted this a bit earlier in the thread. He's in line to be added, trust me.

I thought I had Coleman in the minors for the Cards. If not, I'll be sure to add.

GH

Yea glad to hear about Albert, and Sorry If missed Coleman. Yea I would agree about Pendleton deserving to be a Cardinal. He was a very valueable member of some good teams. Him, Ozzie, and Tommy Herr made up a very solid INF

GForce · 07-20-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Yea glad to hear about Albert, and Sorry If missed Coleman. Yea I would agree about Pendleton deserving to be a Cardinal. He was a very valueable member of some good teams. Him, Ozzie, and Tommy Herr made up a very solid INF

You were right on Coleman. He's not in. I'll add him.

GH

APujols5 · 07-20-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GForce

You were right on Coleman. He's not in. I'll add him.

GH

Just keep him away from tarp !!

and what about Joaquin Andujar? He was a great SP in the Whitey era

fauteuil7 · 07-20-2006, 04:56 PM

Thanks for including Dave Righetti! That'll be some bullpen to play with - Lyle, Righetti and Stanton from the left side, Rivera and Goose from the right side. I can't wait!

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GForce · 07-20-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Just keep him away from tarp !!

and what about Joaquin Andujar? He was a great SP in the Whitey era

Andujar is in. He's in AAA.

GH

APujols5 · 07-20-2006, 05:57 PM

What Qualifications will you use for the modern day players? because I would think someone like David Wright already might qualify

GForce · 07-21-2006, 08:52 AM

I'm basically going to work off 1000 PAs I think. Wright and Reyes for the Mets, Pujols for the Cards, Miguel Cabrera...those kind of guys will slip in I think.

GH

jzicc · 07-21-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GForce

Stuff like that is fine. Ratings stuff I don't want to hear about now because they aren't done. But personnel stuff, absolutely. It's why I was glad to post the rosters.

GH

okay then --- Kiner and Kendall for the Pirates need to be added (spanky Laviellier can't be on there) and Kiner has to be on there;

GForce · 07-21-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jzicc

okay then --- Kiner and Kendall for the Pirates need to be added (spanky Laviellier can't be on there) and Kiner has to be on there;

Both are on the AAA roster. Once all the ratings are complete and the computer manager is rerun, that will likely not be the case, but they weren't omitted.

Lavalliere will still be there, but certainly I would think Kendall will be bumped up and Lavalliere will go to AAA. I'm not sure either starts over Sanguillen anyway, at least not at the start of things.

GH

jzicc · 07-21-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GForce

Both are on the AAA roster. Once all the ratings are complete and the computer manager is rerun, that will likely not be the case, but they weren't omitted.

Lavalliere will still be there, but certainly I would think Kendall will be bumped up and Lavalliere will go to AAA. I'm not sure either starts over Sanguillen anyway, at least not at the start of things.

GH

Sorry about that -- did not know that minors were stocked also ---- I'm like Flounder in AH --- "oh boy is this great!!!!!!!!!!!!"

GForce · 07-21-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jzicc

Sorry about that -- did not know that minors were stocked also ---- I'm like Flounder in AH --- "oh boy is this great!!!!!!!!!!!!"

No problem. Most squads have full ML and AAA levels of real guys. Some have a few real guys on AA too. But since virtually every franchise already has 50+ guys done, ML and AAA should be 95% stocked.

GH

GForce · 07-21-2006, 06:17 PM

Update 7/25:

Hitting Ratings: Compiled for 20 teams, 16 have been entered into game

Fielding Ratings: Compiled for ALL teams (remember, I had to redo these), 11 entered into game

Pitching Ratings: Yet to be compiled

GH

GForce · 07-24-2006, 06:20 PM

Keeping on plugging along. There's plenty to do (I haven't even dealt with pitchers yet) but the good news is that the data entry into the game goes very quickly. So though my time is limited, there's still enough to be at least a little productive each day.

The first version's big problem, in retrospect, was my universal aging curve. If you imported at 26-28 or so, you were at peak. If you were 22, you were well off that. If you 36, you were way on the downside. This is true in many cases, but not all (and particularly when you're compiling all-time greats, many of whom were at least very good early on and maintained that late). This mechanism sabotaged a lot of guys (and made current players even approaching their real-life peaks a very limited occurence.

My revised methods eliminate this, and it's working out great. I really like what I'm seeing, and it creates some fascinating scenarios. For example, though potentials and overall ratings for Hank Greenberg are better, both Rudy York and Norm Cash open up with stellar ratings in their own right. Greenberg actually is behind them on the depth chart. Will that last? Probably not, but I think it's very interesting. Occurences like that are by NO means common, but they do come up. If a guy imports at age 24, and he happened to be stud that year, he could well get a starting job at the beginning over a player who, for the course of their careers, was better. Whether he holds that is another story.

There are a few players who get the advantage of having been excellent in the year of their import, and had some excellent peak numbers after that, even if their careers weren't so great. Gregg Jefferies is an example of a guy whose ratings will probably be a bit better than most should think they should be. But he was excellent in the year of his import age, and had enough good numbers after that this his potentials remain high, so he may not drop from that start. I don't think there's a perfect way to handle this all, but I do think these issues are far less intrusive (and occur far less often) than the issues of my original version.

If I revise this next year, I will base potentials on the three best figures rather than the simple best in each category. That should mute the aforemention issue a bit. But I'm too far along with constructing hitting ratings this year to go back and change it now.

GH

GForce · 07-25-2006, 08:43 PM

This is where I'm curious about the new game's A.I. Phillies have 23 year old Mike Schmidt at 3B, and have an 18-year-old Scott Rolen coming up. Do you trade Rolen for help elsewhere (perhaps a big outfield bat or a second baseman)? Or do you keep him around. You could also trade Schmidt instead, who would surely bring a large reward, but I would think Rolen would be the guy to go.

These are the scenarios I like with this set. Hopefully with the new ratings, that will help dealings be logical.

GH

38templon · 07-26-2006, 04:41 PM

GForce,
I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to this roster set. I really can't wait to play with Mariners and the Blue Jays, even though with their short histories I'm sure they won't be able to compete with the Yankees of the world. This is a really cool idea. I can't wait to see the finished product.

GForce · 07-27-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 38templon

GForce,
I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to this roster set. I really can't wait to play with Mariners and the Blue Jays, even though with their short histories I'm sure they won't be able to compete with the Yankees of the world. This is a really cool idea. I can't wait to see the finished product.

The Mariners and Blue Jays...good luck

Glad you're looking forward to it. Still a lot of work to do, but I'm moving along at a decent clip now. Hopefully I can keep that up. Everything will depend on how long it takes me to get the pitchers ratings where I want them.

GH

GForce · 07-27-2006, 12:51 AM

Update 7/28:

Hitting Ratings: Compiled for 20 teams, 16 have been entered into game

Fielding Ratings: Compiled for ALL teams (remember, I had to redo these), 17 entered into game

Pitching Ratings: Yet to be compiled

GH

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GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,464 Warnings: 2	Update 7/25: Hitting Ratings: Compiled for 20 teams, 16 have been entered into game Fielding Ratings: Compiled for ALL teams (remember, I had to redo these), 11 entered into game Pitching Ratings: Yet to be compiled GH Last edited by GForce : 07-25-2006 at 11:38 AM.

07-26-2006, 04:41 PM	#98 (permalink)
38templon Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3	Looking Forward GForce, I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to this roster set. I really can't wait to play with Mariners and the Blue Jays, even though with their short histories I'm sure they won't be able to compete with the Yankees of the world. This is a really cool idea. I can't wait to see the finished product.

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GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,464 Warnings: 2	Update 7/28: Hitting Ratings: Compiled for 20 teams, 16 have been entered into game Fielding Ratings: Compiled for ALL teams (remember, I had to redo these), 17 entered into game Pitching Ratings: Yet to be compiled GH Last edited by GForce : 07-28-2006 at 10:50 AM.

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fauteuil7 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NJ Posts: 325	Thanks for including Dave Righetti! That'll be some bullpen to play with - Lyle, Righetti and Stanton from the left side, Rivera and Goose from the right side. I can't wait! <-----------------------

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GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,464 Warnings: 2	I'm basically going to work off 1000 PAs I think. Wright and Reyes for the Mets, Pujols for the Cards, Miguel Cabrera...those kind of guys will slip in I think. GH

07-24-2006, 06:20 PM	#96 (permalink)
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,464 Warnings: 2	Keeping on plugging along. There's plenty to do (I haven't even dealt with pitchers yet) but the good news is that the data entry into the game goes very quickly. So though my time is limited, there's still enough to be at least a little productive each day. The first version's big problem, in retrospect, was my universal aging curve. If you imported at 26-28 or so, you were at peak. If you were 22, you were well off that. If you 36, you were way on the downside. This is true in many cases, but not all (and particularly when you're compiling all-time greats, many of whom were at least very good early on and maintained that late). This mechanism sabotaged a lot of guys (and made current players even approaching their real-life peaks a very limited occurence. My revised methods eliminate this, and it's working out great. I really like what I'm seeing, and it creates some fascinating scenarios. For example, though potentials and overall ratings for Hank Greenberg are better, both Rudy York and Norm Cash open up with stellar ratings in their own right. Greenberg actually is behind them on the depth chart. Will that last? Probably not, but I think it's very interesting. Occurences like that are by NO means common, but they do come up. If a guy imports at age 24, and he happened to be stud that year, he could well get a starting job at the beginning over a player who, for the course of their careers, was better. Whether he holds that is another story. There are a few players who get the advantage of having been excellent in the year of their import, and had some excellent peak numbers after that, even if their careers weren't so great. Gregg Jefferies is an example of a guy whose ratings will probably be a bit better than most should think they should be. But he was excellent in the year of his import age, and had enough good numbers after that this his potentials remain high, so he may not drop from that start. I don't think there's a perfect way to handle this all, but I do think these issues are far less intrusive (and occur far less often) than the issues of my original version. If I revise this next year, I will base potentials on the three best figures rather than the simple best in each category. That should mute the aforemention issue a bit. But I'm too far along with constructing hitting ratings this year to go back and change it now. GH

07-25-2006, 08:43 PM	#97 (permalink)
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,464 Warnings: 2	This is where I'm curious about the new game's A.I. Phillies have 23 year old Mike Schmidt at 3B, and have an 18-year-old Scott Rolen coming up. Do you trade Rolen for help elsewhere (perhaps a big outfield bat or a second baseman)? Or do you keep him around. You could also trade Schmidt instead, who would surely bring a large reward, but I would think Rolen would be the guy to go. These are the scenarios I like with this set. Hopefully with the new ratings, that will help dealings be logical. GH