International Rosters

[struggles_mightily]

Hi all.

I'm sure everyone interested in the international aspects of the game will remember this thread. Now that the game is released, I guess its time to take the Non-MLB Leagues Project up a step to the creation of roster files.

For some of the things I want to do with the game, international rosters are absolutely vital, so I'd certainly be willing to chip in (or to just cheer on the guys who actually know what they're doing from the sidelines). I was thinking about starting a Japanese roster set in the coming weeks, but I have to admit I'm not the best person to do this. I really don't have much familiarity with Japanese baseball at all, and I'm busy with one thing and another as it is.

However, if no-one with any expertise comes forward to take care of Japan, I would certainly be interested in muddling may through using some of the resources on the net (many of which were fantastically hunted down and placed into the thread mentioned above by JPBBDB) that make player statistics available. Obviously basing ratings on fairly blind interpretations of stats isn't ideal, but as I've said, I would REALLY like some kind of international rosters, even if flawed, for what I want to do with the game. Nevertheless, if someone with more knowledge than I (not difficult) was willing, that would be even better.

And of course, this doesn't stop with Japan, we'd like a baseball UNIVERSE. Whilst we may never get down to some of the leagues designated Class D by JPBBDB in the earlier thread, we could at least have a go at flexing our collective mindmuscles to go as far down the list as possible.

So I hope this thread will just kind of be a central place for discussion of Non-MLB (and particularly international) roster creation. Know a lot about a league and want to make a roster set? Why not tell us here? Progress reports...put 'em here. Advice, discussion, debate, questions, anything pertaining to the theme really. Somewhere down the road there might even be some downloads...

[sean-patin]

I am definitely interested... I don't have a lot of time available either, but I'd be able to give a little help if someone could lead me to where I can find rosters, etc.

[struggles_mightily]

Originally Posted by sean-patin

I am definitely interested... I don't have a lot of time available either, but I'd be able to give a little help if someone could lead me to where I can find rosters, etc.

The Non-MLB Leagues Project thread will certainly be helpful.
(Non-MLB Leagues Project)

It contains links to the official sites of all leagues listed, many of which then link to the sites of individual clubs. At the very least, you should be able to draw up a list of clubs in a league and then google for official team sites, many of which would contain rosters.

[No Pepper]

I'm planning on continuing my unpublished creation of a historical Cuban league that I started back for OOTP4. Unfortunately, most if not all that data/research is gone.

However, I do have unformatted roster and statistical data (pitching, hitting, fielding) for the years 1999-2000 to 2005-2006 (7 years) that I can get from the internet. I'm not quite sure if I need to format them to a Lahman-type database for it to work but most likely will have to. Started that long process yesterday. Unfortunately, I do not know any information regarding age, etc., though some players (I think) are denoted as rookies, IIRC.

There is also current year data for youth, developmental and provincial leagues, but as is stated in the non-MLB Leagues project thread, it's unclear whether the developmental and provincial leagues are "minor" or "feeder" leagues. The 4 youth leagues (ages 9-10, 11-12, 13-14, 15-16) could be used, but I believe the age issue wouldn't be compatible with OOTPB2006?

Although it is lost, I had created a league name file based on the occurance of names in the league and other sources, to give a bit more Cuban feel to it. No census data for that, but it was a start that I could begin again.

The 1999-2000 season (or Series 39) is a good start because it has the current league structure (teams, #games, and play-offs IIRC) and was the year the league returned to using wooden bats, though they still use the DH exclusively. I did manage to find complete batter/pitcher career totals for all players (Amateur, post 1961 I think) but putting them to correct teams or debut years seems impossible at this point without further references.

Pre-1961 seems to be a pipe dream for now.

I don't have OOTPB2006 yet as I'm going to wait for the demo. So as far as setting up the Cuban National Series as realistically as possible, I can't answer that.

Questions:

1) Would creating a database from 1999-current be best or this just this past year?
2) Would a "career-total" database of post-1961 players work better? I'd need to find a Cuban friend who'd be willing to help us with rosters. I assume most if not all of us don't know who these players are to "really care" if its completely historical or not.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

[DRaysGoRocco]

I'd like to help out, especially with the Japanese (nippon) league.

But just to make sure that there is no duplication of effort, are Rolen/Cubby including international rosters or are they solely working on MLB and MiLB?

[ozziethesaint]

I can help a little with Cuban and Japanese Players as I did some research on alot of players for an online league I was a part of. and would be willing to do the Italian A1 Series as well

[ricobrown]

i would also like to help out but first someone needs a mlb roster set, and then each person can contribute to the international leagues, one at a time, using the same roster set and just passing it along to the next person.

[ricobrown]

i can start out doing the american league and the minor leagues for the american league. This will only be the players name and the correct numbers and ratings based upon the last three years combined, no player history, all minor league players in current league and status, also they will be based upon current predictions of potential and overall minor league stats. It should take no longer than a couple days to complete than I will pass along the file to the next person who will do the national league and the minors, then back to me for accuracy testing.

[DRaysGoRocco]

How exactly would this work? Could a bunch of people edit different teams and then have all of them import them into one main universe? How would that effect the universe and the players within that universe?

I'm very eager to work on this, but we need to figure out how this is going to work

[ricobrown]

the only way it would work is if you each do it at one time, like I do it, than you do your part, than someone else does there part all in the same game not different ones. Its really kinda simple, just time consuming.

[ricobrown]

Almost complete entire major league roster set with minors, need t know if anyone interested in doing any of the other leagues. Should be finished by tommorrow if not sooner.

[DRaysGoRocco]

rico, are you just doing names or ratings as well?

[ricobrown]

ratings as well, using the same formula i used in ootp 6, when i made my own sets, scouting reports and 3 year average.

[DRaysGoRocco]

could you explain in detail what has been done on your set?

[ricobrown]

Each major League team as of the beginning of the season, with career stats for players that have careers stats, complete minors, whatever else is requested to be included, i want to include logos also but i need some good ones. Also trying pictures if i have time or may add those after its finished with all the other leagues.

[ricobrown]

i could use some help with some minor league things, how many games does each league play and whether its a split season or not. It would be greatly appreciated

[TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin]

I am going to start to examine any online resources available regarding some of the various international leagues not yet mentioned; taiwan, korea, venezuela, mexico. Trouble is I am not multi-linqual so I may not be well suited for the task. But will certainly chip in if at all possible. What we really need are Chinese, Spanish speaking imput but I will give it a try. I can devote only a few hours a week however.

I'll report back soon.

[struggles_mightily]

Good to hear people willing to chip in and help out. I've decided to make my first venture into roster making by having a go at some European rosters - namely German ones to begin with.

I was planning on editing my OP with some detail about who's working on what, but that might seem like pressuring people into commiting, so I won't do that. But regular updates from people who are actively working on projects would be great.

[ricobrown]

as of right now I have done all the majors and minors all listed as opening day rosters, any one who is doing any other of the leagues let me know, I may try to do some but I don't know. and like I said the rosters include career stats for majors leaguers who have them I believe the only thing messing is most of there birth place's

[TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin]

Please just drop me a message of any roster tasks you need me to perform.

Steve