New Arod23/Garlon DB now available

[arod23]

CareerAvg DB update v2.1r available for download

[rasnell]

Thanks for all your work on the databases. I'm currently using the latest career avg DB and finding an overly large number of new draft picks in the 1980s are coming in as MR and endurance in the mid-40s.

I thought I read somewhere that you tweaked this to get more pitchers properly set as SP.

Are you noticing similar issues? I thought career avgs would solve that a little better, according to the readme.

Also, even though Markus' tweaks to patch 1.03 now shows the worst wild pitch ratings at 8 for 500 BF, I'm still getting ridiculously high wild pitch totals for individuals -- even with career avgs.

Even resetting the engine config file to only 10 percent for wild pitches, I can't solve this annoying bug. Any thoughts or trials of your own on this one?

[arod23]

Originally Posted by rasnell

Thanks for all your work on the databases. I'm currently using the latest career avg DB and finding an overly large number of new draft picks in the 1980s are coming in as MR and endurance in the mid-40s.

I thought I read somewhere that you tweaked this to get more pitchers properly set as SP.

Are you noticing similar issues? I thought career avgs would solve that a little better, according to the readme.

Also, even though Markus' tweaks to patch 1.03 now shows the worst wild pitch ratings at 8 for 500 BF, I'm still getting ridiculously high wild pitch totals for individuals -- even with career avgs.

Even resetting the engine config file to only 10 percent for wild pitches, I can't solve this annoying bug. Any thoughts or trials of your own on this one?

You have me stumped. We did adjust pitchers to increase the number of starters (to account for how OOTP imports). It may be that the pitchers in the 80s just average fewer innings per appearance. This alone would account for the lower endurance and thus MR status. And, relatively speaking "modern" starters are more like middle relievers. I would think this would hold true in the 90s and 00s too. Anyway, we didn't do anything to the DB to make the 80s different than any other era, i.e., all modifications were made to the entire DB.

As far as wild pitches, I haven't really paid attention. We did not make any modifications to wild pitches in the DB I checked several players and they import correctly based on their stats, so something must be happening with the engine.

Garlon may have some more substantive thoughts.

[Garlon]

Actually, we decreased the number of pitchers importing as SP's and increased the number importing as MR's. Both the regular DB and Career Avg DB have the same number of pitchers though.

We decreased the number of pitchers importing as SP so that the best pitchers would be more likely to end up in the rotation rather than guys who only pitched a handful of innings in their career. All SP's in the Career Avg DB have a minimum of 486 IP in their career and had started at least 50% of the games in which they pitched. 486 IP is about 3 full seasons worth of IP for a SP even by today's standards. This way, those no-name cup-of-coffee guys don't end up dominating the league as SP's.

Even with this modification I think you are just seeing a transition to a heavy reliance on MR's that started happening in baseball from the 1980's onward. Teams today generally carry 11 or 12 pitchers so more than half of the guys on the piching staff are MR's. So you should expect to see an abundance of MRs in the draft over the last 25 years.

Modern SP's average fewer IP per start than guys who pitched 1900-1970 that's why endurance is lower across the board when you get to modern baseball too.

I have never kept track of wild pitch totals in my simulations nor do I know how to adjust the game engine to lower their frequency.

[rasnell]

data/config is the folder in ootp to edit the game engine. You can open it in notepad. Doesn't seem to influence the results at all.

Your database is correctly importing the wild pitch data, but the OOTP engine is just a mess in this category. Markus has really worked and worked to tweak it and it's just not solved.

I was wondering if you had tested it.

I think you're exactly right on why OOTP is bringing them in as MR instead of SP. In the 80s, you really start to see the rise of relievers and closers like Lee Smith, Niendenfuhrer, Quisenberry, Tom Henke, etc.

It appears that OOTP does pluck the MR and convert them to SP as far as AI roster management.

It was just odd to see so few SP and many, many MR during the drafts.

Thanks for all your work and support.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by rasnell

Thanks for all your work on the databases....

Even resetting the engine config file to only 10 percent for wild pitches, I can't solve this annoying bug. Any thoughts or trials of your own on this one?

How do you do that? I see nothing in the game. Hex editor on the file?

[rasnell]

Originally Posted by RchW

How do you do that? I see nothing in the game. Hex editor on the file?

See one message above your post.

[RchW]

Gotcha, thanks.

[statfreak]

Originally Posted by arod23

Some pitchers were still importing as DH, so we have updated the fielding.csv file. Most of these players were pre-1900.

When you say 'we have updated the fielding.csv file', what exactly does that mean? Did you just crank up the number of games in the fielding.csv file or make some other adjustment?

Thanks.

[arod23]

Originally Posted by statfreak

When you say 'we have updated the fielding.csv file', what exactly does that mean? Did you just crank up the number of games in the fielding.csv file or make some other adjustment?

Those particular players were missing fielding records at the "P" position, so we added them.

[statfreak]

thanks.

[gregb7]

I'm just a little bit confused about one particular issue using this awesome database. I'm playing 1964. How do I reset the stats for 1964 (only) at the start of the season so that on opening day Hank Aaron isn't hitting his 40th home run of the season? I've tried resetting the stats of all 1964 players from the game setup, additional options menu, but that wipes out all previous years stats, which i'd like to keep. I just want to start 1964 with zero stats.
Can anybody advise?
Thanks.

[arod23]

Originally Posted by gregb7

I'm just a little bit confused about one particular issue using this awesome database. I'm playing 1964. How do I reset the stats for 1964 (only) at the start of the season so that on opening day Hank Aaron isn't hitting his 40th home run of the season? I've tried resetting the stats of all 1964 players from the game setup, additional options menu, but that wipes out all previous years stats, which i'd like to keep. I just want to start 1964 with zero stats.
Can anybody advise?
Thanks.

There is an option on the game setup screen to include/not include stats for the year of import. If you do not include them, then all players should import in 1964 with blank batting/pitching lines. I thought the default was to not include them, but I could be wrong. Players will have prior years as part of their history, but you can delete those if you want using the delete career stats function.

[gregb7]

a follow up if i may? how come my league (1964) doesn't have
a designated for assignment category? i don't know where guys
i've claimed off waivers end up.

thanks again.

[arod23]

Originally Posted by gregb7

a follow up if i may? how come my league (1964) doesn't have
a designated for assignment category? i don't know where guys
i've claimed off waivers end up.

thanks again.

Sorry, can't help you there, not a DB issue. Ask under a separate post, I am sure someone can help you out.

[Doughnuts?]

Started in 1936 with your database and all was well until 1961, when the draft produced the entire 1960 draft class, who were drafted the year before, in addition to the 1961 class. That is, the entire draft from the year before came in again as rookies.

Can anyone confirm this as an issue-

By the way, great job overall otherwise.

[arod23]

Originally Posted by Doughnuts?

Started in 1936 with your database and all was well until 1961, when the draft produced the entire 1960 draft class, who were drafted the year before, in addition to the 1961 class. That is, the entire draft from the year before came in again as rookies.

Can anyone confirm this as an issue-

By the way, great job overall otherwise.

I just checked our DBs and 1960 and 1961 are OK. That is, there are no repeats, so what happened to you was not a DB issue.

I have never seen a duplicate rookie class bug. Not sure how it would happen either. The game doesn't alter the DB, it just imports from it, so the game had to "intentionally" import 1960 again. Early on, there were issues with rookie drafts in midseason as opposed to during the off-season, but I believe they were fixed.

[Doughnuts?]

Originally Posted by arod23

I just checked our DBs and 1960 and 1961 are OK. That is, there are no repeats, so what happened to you was not a DB issue.

I have never seen a duplicate rookie class bug. Not sure how it would happen either. The game doesn't alter the DB, it just imports from it, so the game had to "intentionally" import 1960 again. Early on, there were issues with rookie drafts in midseason as opposed to during the off-season, but I believe they were fixed.

Thanks for the reply. I did expand that year, so maybe I screwed something up.

[plannine]

Will there be a new version of the database for OOTP2007, or if not, a seprate negro league player database to add to the latest lahman DB.

[arod23]

Originally Posted by plannine

Will there be a new version of the database for OOTP2007, or if not, a seprate negro league player database to add to the latest lahman DB.

Garlon and I are working on updating the DB. As you know, in our previous versions starting with OOTP 6.0, we made numerous "edits" to the Lahman DB to improve the historical sim experience, i.e., make it more accurate/realistic. Using straight Lahman will result in some strange outcomes, depending on settings and what year from which you import. OOTP 2007 has improved its handling of historical simming, so Garlon and I working through what edits still need to be made and what ones are no longer required. For example, there is a new setting (option) to recalculate ratings each season based on a player's underlying real-life stats. A great option, but many players have gaps in their history, e.g., war, injuries, etc. So, we are likely to fill those season gaps to create continuity.

Short answer is yes, we will have an update. But, it won't be ready at launch.