Is It Going to Happen?

[Hammer755]

Originally Posted by bp_

now that you asked you blew it for everyone. The roster makers decided to quit because of this thread....

And their wives are gonna divorce them.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by mattkma

What is bad, and this is no slam on roster makers at all, but the game has no attraction for me without real rosters. It's baseball, not fantasy world. Have never been able (and have tried numerous times) to get into a fictional league. Thats why I have not played the game in over a month while waiting for a roster release.

In that month's time you could have created a roster set of your own.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by mattkma

What is bad, and this is no slam on roster makers at all, but the game has no attraction for me without real rosters. It's baseball, not fantasy world. Have never been able (and have tried numerous times) to get into a fictional league. Thats why I have not played the game in over a month while waiting for a roster release.

Well, why didn't you wait on purchasing until after a set came out?

Too bad you can't get into fictional leagues, which I can assure you, my fictional league feels very much like "baseball" and less like fantasy world.

IMO, waiting all of this time for a real roster that is going to be sliced and diced 100 different ways after you sim the first week of your season sounds more like fantasy world to me.

[mattkma]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

In that month's time you could have created a roster set of your own.

Because I am waiting for you to release the set you have been working on the last month!

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by mattkma

Because I am waiting for you to release the set you have been working on the last month!

I'm keeping all to myself.

[DMN]

Mattkma:

Why not try a historical replay?? I enjoy those very much and with the new Lahmans or the other one created by one of our community guys it can be a very interesting way to play the game.

Depending on your age and the years when you began following MLB you could have some fun re-creating a year in real baseball that you remember or where your favorite team did not do as well as you expected and you can take over the operation and see if you can turn it around.

Just a suggestion until the current roster file comes out.

[mattkma]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I'm keeping all to myself.

Well thats good of you. Well spoken of a "Hall of Famer."

I have tried historical as well. I dunno. I am an avid fan of baseball "now." And I know people argue that after a week the AI will screw the roster up anyways, but that is the beauty of it all to me. It's "what if" but in today's real setting.

[Go Tribe]

Originally Posted by TC Dale

Even beta testing with the game the roster makers still didn't have a final version to work with until almost release. (Testing what it is, there are changes that will always slow the roster making process).

Actually Battists pointed out that they have had a copy of the game since day one and in a separate thread, Markus pointed out that there weren't any changes to the coding from the initial release that would have caused them to re-work what they've done.

They have had a working version of ootp2007 since January - it's May

I hope SI chooses their roster makers wisely next year

Having one "key master" is myopic

[pseudofool]

I hope SI chooses their roster makers wisely next year

What makes you think they have any choice in the matter. The people work for free. If there's money involved there's in turn reliability. But SI needs to stay away from the whole roster set making thing until MLB sorts out the licensing business. Ideally, SI should release betas to a myriad number of roster-makers (are there even more than like three??) so they can either work together, or have some redudancy in place.

Moreover, SI needs to make roster-making easier, that would solve the problem. They need a roster-making wizard.

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

Actually Battists pointed out that they have had a copy of the game since day one and in a separate thread, Markus pointed out that there weren't any changes to the coding from the initial release that would have caused them to re-work what they've done.

They have had a working version of ootp2007 since January - it's May

I hope SI chooses their roster makers wisely next year

Having one "key master" is myopic

The game has been out for a month. Anyone that wanted to be a SI roster maker could have tried to be one by now. For all of these people that seem to care so much about the rosters, I really dont see many threads where people have started their own set.

The point is this. People think that it has taken the roster makers a really long time to make the rosters. In this case I say, go make your own. Obviously it is taking them too long, but after a month I don't see anyone else stepping up.

Or

People realize that it is really difficult to create a complete roster set for this game. It has taken the most experienced roster person I know five months. I am sure if someone starts now, they should be done by the world series.

[Go Tribe]

Originally Posted by fantom1979

The game has been out for a month. Anyone that wanted to be a SI roster maker could have tried to be one by now. For all of these people that seem to care so much about the rosters, I really dont see many threads where people have started their own set.

The point is this. People think that it has taken the roster makers a really long time to make the rosters. In this case I say, go make your own. Obviously it is taking them too long, but after a month I don't see anyone else stepping up.

Or

People realize that it is really difficult to create a complete roster set for this game. It has taken the most experienced roster person I know five months. I am sure if someone starts now, they should be done by the world series.

i think the 'we're almost done' posts have pretty much dissuaded anyone from starting their own

it IS really difficult to create a roster for this game and for that the finger pointing has to start with Markus IMO for not making it easy

[Bears5122]

Originally Posted by TC Dale

......

I don't think anyone is questioning his effort or expertise in roster making. For most old timers here, his rosters was what everyone used.

My post was just some sadness as to what happened to the mod community. In the old days, everyone was sharing data, helping out, and basically pitching in to make the game better. The last couple years, the rosters have seemed to turn into a never ending drama. I guess some people are just curious as to why not release the raw data and let others with the time work on it and build a set. Maybe I'm dreaming of some impossible community where everyone works together to make the game better by doing what they can. It just seems like the board is more about whos name is on what and who gets what credit.

And I'm not mad that it hasn't been released. I'm kind of mad that people were led on for awhile. There are a lot of people who would have come together to build a roster set a couple months ago if they knew there wasn't going to be one this year. But it seemed pointless to build your own, when respected members were saying they're coming out any day now. I don't have a problem with keeping things to yourself and not sharing, but think it's detrimental to the board when you basically say that you shouldn't bother with a roster set since one is being made, and then not follow through. It's simply too late now to start one from scratch.

[Herd Fan]

Originally Posted by Go Tribe

i think the 'we're almost done' posts have pretty much dissuaded anyone from starting their own

it IS really difficult to create a roster for this game and for that the finger pointing has to start with Markus IMO for not making it easy

Or we could applaud him for making a tremendously deep game that is incredibly enjoyable. The better this game gets, the harder it is going to be to make rosters. Everyone that is sniping at the roster makers has likely never programmed.

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Bears5122

And I'm not mad that it hasn't been released. I'm kind of mad that people were led on for awhile. There are a lot of people who would have come together to build a roster set a couple months ago if they knew there wasn't going to be one this year. But it seemed pointless to build your own, when respected members were saying they're coming out any day now. I don't have a problem with keeping things to yourself and not sharing, but think it's detrimental to the board when you basically say that you shouldn't bother with a roster set since one is being made, and then not follow through. It's simply too late now to start one from scratch.

Yep, the "I'm uploading the rosters now" post really didn't help the situation at all....

I've had the game since release and would have attempted a roster set if I'd known then what I know now...but with posts like the aforementioned one, well, you get the point. The whole "start your own roster" bit is tired...especially with a widespread understanding that a repeat of last year's roster situation wasn't going to occur again...

[mattkma]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw

Yep, the "I'm uploading the rosters now" post really didn't help the situation at all....

I've had the game since release and would have attempted a roster set if I'd known then what I know now...but with posts like the aforementioned one, well, you get the point. The whole "start your own roster" bit is tired...especially with a widespread understanding that a repeat of last year's roster situation wasn't going to occur again...

Which is the basic premise when I started this post...well said Outlaw. We were all led to believe that a roster set was quickly on the horizon after release of OOTP 2007. As we now know, that was a farce. I also agree that the "build your own roster set" is a load of horse____. I have no doubt I could do it, but as Outlaw stated, we were led to believe it was "being uploaded as we speak." So why recreate the wheel...just take the wheel that is created and improve it or tweak it to my car...so to speak. Anyways, that entire episode is water well under the bridge at this point.

I have the utmost faith in Erich because over the years he has proved his integrity on the boards and with previous roster offerings. I am sure his arm issues have caused a slow down and nothing is more important than personal health and well being.

I also agree that something needs to be done in the "chain" to allow these rosters to be ready on release day. Whether it is a banded group of responsible community members who have access via Marcus to what is needed or it is done some other way. It would solve a lot of the issues revolving around the Roster Fiasco of '07. If release date is Opening Day then give the roster makers 2 months lead time to have it ready to go.

All things being equal - it's not rocket science...it's more good organization and foresight than anything.

Carp

[typewritermender]

I know nothing about making roster sets, but why can't we just use Lahman? From what I've gathered, the way the game imports it, the ratings are less than realistic? Is that the case? If so, is it the fault of the database, or the way the game uses the database? Maybe the solution is for the game to better incorporate Lahman. Or would Lahman just bring us accurate data through 2006....

[AirmenSmith]

Originally Posted by typewritermender

I know nothing about making roster sets, but why can't we just use Lahman? From what I've gathered, the way the game imports it, the ratings are less than realistic? Is that the case? If so, is it the fault of the database, or the way the game uses the database? Maybe the solution is for the game to better incorporate Lahman. Or would Lahman just bring us accurate data through 2006....

From my experience, the lahman database is only good for recreating a season or 2(if your lucky). After the first season you have a big drop in ratings, you will have 4 or 5 star guys dropping to 1. I'm just taking cubbys roster and updating everything on there. It takes time but its the only way I will enjoy this game.

[Melo]

did it happen yet?

[typewritermender]

Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

From my experience, the lahman database is only good for recreating a season or 2(if your lucky). After the first season you have a big drop in ratings, you will have 4 or 5 star guys dropping to 1. I'm just taking cubbys roster and updating everything on there. It takes time but its the only way I will enjoy this game.

Maybe OOTP should start handling the lahman database better. I guess what im saying is this problem could be avoided on the game makers' ends, so that we wouldn't HAVE to make mods in order to get an accurate roster set (since, a huge database is already available). I greatly appreciate what these roster makers are doing but I guess I don't like having to rely on someone i don't even know for something like this (i havent played the game in like a week 'cause honestly i bought it to play along with the 2007, sorta disappointed that that can't happen as such), and on the same token they shouldn't have to deal with the insane pressure of having an entire gaming COMMUNITY relying on them to pull through--cause inevitably more important things will arise (as they have). I think that is the basis of all the animosity we've seen on these boards in the last few weeks. Am i missing something big?

[bp_]

Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

From my experience, the lahman database is only good for recreating a season or 2(if your lucky). After the first season you have a big drop in ratings, you will have 4 or 5 star guys dropping to 1.

A lot of people use Lahman and I don't think I've seen anyone else mention this complaint on these boards. Now, I haven't read every post here so this could be true but I have my doubts. I'd like to know how many players you have seen this happen to so we have an idea of the sample size you are basing this observation on.