t_wil1 and Gambo - Page 154

Rube · 08-09-2007, 02:03 AM

Denny Galehouse

WrightWing · 08-09-2007, 02:08 AM

t_wil,

Your Kid Butler pic is the 1884 version (Frank Edward Butler). That picture is from a photograph of the 1884 Boston Unions. Butler is added to the team photo as an insert. (Source: The Beer and Whiskey League by David Nemec, page 79)

Hope this helps...

bearman14 · 08-09-2007, 04:07 AM

gordon massa

t_wil1 · 08-09-2007, 09:41 PM

1884

Not on Missing list, I am missing a pic

Bill Geis
James morris
Dan Sheehan
John Farrow

WrightWing · 08-09-2007, 11:26 PM

Interesting that baseball-reference.com lists a John M. Ryan with the exact same stats for both the Washington Nationals and the Wilmington Quicksteps as Baseball Almanac.com lists for Daniel Sheehan for the 2 aforementioned teams.

Baseball Almanac has Sheehan debuting on 4-19-1884 while baseball-reference has Ryan debuting on 6-11-1884. Both websites show 1884 as the only season they played in. Very odd. Is the player in question Dan Sheehan, John Ryan, or maybe 2 different guys for the 2 different teams?

19th-century baseball research can be very exciting. And maddening...

t_wil1 · 08-09-2007, 11:38 PM

I didn't notice that.... crap! I wonder if the community has v-chip and I can't say crap (south park reference) lol

They do have different initials for a middle name... so I would assume they are two different players

Ping Gambo: is Dan sheehan on your database as John Ryan or Dan Sheehan

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ryanjo02.shtml

that is the page on baseball reference

UKBaseballfan · 08-10-2007, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WrightWing

Interesting that baseball-reference.com lists a John M. Ryan with the exact same stats for both the Washington Nationals and the Wilmington Quicksteps as Baseball Almanac.com lists for Daniel Sheehan for the 2 aforementioned teams.

Baseball Almanac has Sheehan debuting on 4-19-1884 while baseball-reference has Ryan debuting on 6-11-1884. Both websites show 1884 as the only season they played in. Very odd. Is the player in question Dan Sheehan, John Ryan, or maybe 2 different guys for the 2 different teams?

19th-century baseball research can be very exciting. And maddening...

Personally I would discount the Baseball Almanac reference. David Nemec's 19th Century Baseball Encyclopedia and Total Baseball have no mention of Daniel Sheehan

WrightWing · 08-10-2007, 10:56 AM

The saga of Ryan/Sheehan gets curiouser. T_wil, the link you provided is for John A Ryan. Interestingly, he is listed as playing under the name of Daniel Sheehan and played only for the Baltimore Monumentals.

However, (according to baseball-reference.com) there is also the John M Ryan that played for Washington and Wilmington and accumulated that same stats as Sheehan did according to the baseball almanac website.

So now we have;

1)John A Ryan (played as Daniel Sheehan) - Baltimore Monumentals 6 games.

2)Daniel Sheehan - Washington Nationals 7 games and Wilmington Quicksteps 2 games.

3)John M Ryan - Washington Nationals 7 games and Wilmington Quicksteps 2 games.

So now, we have 3 different players who may, in fact, be the same person. Or some combination of 2. Or, possibly, they are in fact all 3 different people. Unfortunately, we will probably never know for certain...

UKBaseballfan · 08-10-2007, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WrightWing

The saga of Ryan/Sheehan gets curiouser. T_wil, the link you provided is for John A Ryan. Interestingly, he is listed as playing under the name of Daniel Sheehan and played only for the Baltimore Monumentals.

However, (according to baseball-reference.com) there is also the John M Ryan that played for Washington and Wilmington and accumulated that same stats as Sheehan did according to the baseball almanac website.

So now we have;

1)John A Ryan (played as Daniel Sheehan) - Baltimore Monumentals 6 games.

2)Daniel Sheehan - Washington Nationals 7 games and Wilmington Quicksteps 2 games.

3)John M Ryan - Washington Nationals 7 games and Wilmington Quicksteps 2 games.

So now, we have 3 different players who may, in fact, be the same person. Or some combination of 2. Or, possibly, they are in fact all 3 different people. Unfortunately, we will probably never know for certain...

There are 2 people. John A.Ryan and John M.Ryan.

John A. Ryan and Daniel Sheehan is the same person.

The confusion is caused by the fact that Baseball Almanac in error have posted the stats for John M. Ryan as those of Daniel Sheehan aka John A. Ryan.

Hope that clarifies the situation.

WrightWing · 08-10-2007, 11:50 AM

So, in other words, Baseball Almanac needs to to re-ID the Daniel Sheehan page to John M Ryan and show Daniel Sheehan as an alternate name on John A Ryan's page. Got it. Whew.

This just confirms why I always use baseball-reference.com. Thanks UK. Ya done good...

t_wil1 · 08-10-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WrightWing

So, in other words, Baseball Almanac needs to to re-ID the Daniel Sheehan page to John M Ryan and show Daniel Sheehan as an alternate name on John A Ryan's page. Got it. Whew.

This just confirms why I always use baseball-reference.com. Thanks UK. Ya done good...

I got this after the first post... lol

WrightWing · 08-10-2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t_wil1

I got this after the first post... lol

Well excuse the hell out of me. Sorry I said anything...

t_wil1 · 08-10-2007, 01:16 PM

Was kidding.... don't take it personal

t_wil1 · 08-10-2007, 01:31 PM

I wondered why nobody liked to play under their own name.... did we have some self-esteem issues.

t_wil1 · 08-10-2007, 01:41 PM

Since you post his pic.. it reminded me of a movie on hbo called Brooklyn Dodgers: The Ghost of Flatbush.

Documents the Jackie Robinson time with brooklyn and the battles with New York Giants and Yankees. Also what caused both teams to leave new york. great documentary

1883

There are two Edgar Smith's. Both are off the list and I only have one.

UKBaseballfan · 08-10-2007, 02:19 PM

The Edgar Smith pic comes from a team photo of the 1883 Boston Beaneaters it is Albert Edgar Smith.

t_wil1 · 08-10-2007, 04:24 PM

Jack jones

Okay.... two Jack jones from 1883 one pic.

Steve Brady....

Missing Pic, not on missing list

Rube · 08-10-2007, 08:39 PM

WrightWing, I'd just like to let you know I've been using many of the pics in your facepacks for a long time and to thank you for making them available. I appreciate it.

bearman14 · 08-10-2007, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rube

WrightWing, I'd just like to let you know I've been using many of the pics in your facepacks for a long time and to thank you for making them available. I appreciate it.

Me also your face pack is AWESOME. Thank you

bearman14 · 08-10-2007, 09:19 PM

Steve Brady I think

08-09-2007, 02:03 AM	#3061 (permalink)
Rube Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 162	Denny Galehouse Attached Images

08-09-2007, 04:07 AM	#3063 (permalink)
bearman14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Easton Pa Posts: 6,644	gordon massa Last edited by bearman14 : 02-22-2008 at 11:20 AM.

08-09-2007, 09:41 PM	#3064 (permalink)
t_wil1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,008	1884 Not on Missing list, I am missing a pic Bill Geis James morris Dan Sheehan John Farrow __________________ Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack: http://hosted.filefront.com/twil1 My Logos are Here http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/t_wil1/ My Stadiums Here http://www.theperfectgame.net/forums...?dlcategory=31 GO CUBS GO! RON SANTO TO THE HALL! MAYBE GETTING RID OF WRITERS IN THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW THAT TO FINALLY HAPPEN! Wow did we (the Cubs) really bomb in the play-offs! Last edited by t_wil1 : 08-09-2007 at 11:06 PM.

08-09-2007, 11:38 PM	#3066 (permalink)
t_wil1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,008	I didn't notice that.... crap! I wonder if the community has v-chip and I can't say crap (south park reference) lol They do have different initials for a middle name... so I would assume they are two different players Ping Gambo: is Dan sheehan on your database as John Ryan or Dan Sheehan http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ryanjo02.shtml that is the page on baseball reference __________________ Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack: http://hosted.filefront.com/twil1 My Logos are Here http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/t_wil1/ My Stadiums Here http://www.theperfectgame.net/forums...?dlcategory=31 GO CUBS GO! RON SANTO TO THE HALL! MAYBE GETTING RID OF WRITERS IN THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW THAT TO FINALLY HAPPEN! Wow did we (the Cubs) really bomb in the play-offs! Last edited by t_wil1 : 08-09-2007 at 11:41 PM.

08-10-2007, 01:16 PM	#3073 (permalink)
t_wil1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,008	Was kidding.... don't take it personal __________________ Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack: http://hosted.filefront.com/twil1 My Logos are Here http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/t_wil1/ My Stadiums Here http://www.theperfectgame.net/forums...?dlcategory=31 GO CUBS GO! RON SANTO TO THE HALL! MAYBE GETTING RID OF WRITERS IN THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW THAT TO FINALLY HAPPEN! Wow did we (the Cubs) really bomb in the play-offs!

08-09-2007, 02:08 AM	#3062 (permalink)
WrightWing All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 631	t_wil, Your Kid Butler pic is the 1884 version (Frank Edward Butler). That picture is from a photograph of the 1884 Boston Unions. Butler is added to the team photo as an insert. (Source: The Beer and Whiskey League by David Nemec, page 79) Hope this helps...

08-09-2007, 11:26 PM	#3065 (permalink)
WrightWing All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 631	Interesting that baseball-reference.com lists a John M. Ryan with the exact same stats for both the Washington Nationals and the Wilmington Quicksteps as Baseball Almanac.com lists for Daniel Sheehan for the 2 aforementioned teams. Baseball Almanac has Sheehan debuting on 4-19-1884 while baseball-reference has Ryan debuting on 6-11-1884. Both websites show 1884 as the only season they played in. Very odd. Is the player in question Dan Sheehan, John Ryan, or maybe 2 different guys for the 2 different teams? 19th-century baseball research can be very exciting. And maddening...

08-10-2007, 10:56 AM	#3068 (permalink)
WrightWing All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 631	The saga of Ryan/Sheehan gets curiouser. T_wil, the link you provided is for John A Ryan. Interestingly, he is listed as playing under the name of Daniel Sheehan and played only for the Baltimore Monumentals. However, (according to baseball-reference.com) there is also the John M Ryan that played for Washington and Wilmington and accumulated that same stats as Sheehan did according to the baseball almanac website. So now we have; 1)John A Ryan (played as Daniel Sheehan) - Baltimore Monumentals 6 games. 2)Daniel Sheehan - Washington Nationals 7 games and Wilmington Quicksteps 2 games. 3)John M Ryan - Washington Nationals 7 games and Wilmington Quicksteps 2 games. So now, we have 3 different players who may, in fact, be the same person. Or some combination of 2. Or, possibly, they are in fact all 3 different people. Unfortunately, we will probably never know for certain...

08-10-2007, 11:50 AM	#3070 (permalink)
WrightWing All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 631	So, in other words, Baseball Almanac needs to to re-ID the Daniel Sheehan page to John M Ryan and show Daniel Sheehan as an alternate name on John A Ryan's page. Got it. Whew. This just confirms why I always use baseball-reference.com. Thanks UK. Ya done good...

08-10-2007, 01:31 PM	#3074 (permalink)
t_wil1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,008	I wondered why nobody liked to play under their own name.... did we have some self-esteem issues. __________________ Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack: http://hosted.filefront.com/twil1 My Logos are Here http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/t_wil1/ My Stadiums Here http://www.theperfectgame.net/forums...?dlcategory=31 GO CUBS GO! RON SANTO TO THE HALL! MAYBE GETTING RID OF WRITERS IN THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW THAT TO FINALLY HAPPEN! Wow did we (the Cubs) really bomb in the play-offs!

08-10-2007, 01:41 PM	#3075 (permalink)
t_wil1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,008	Re: Carl Erskine Since you post his pic.. it reminded me of a movie on hbo called Brooklyn Dodgers: The Ghost of Flatbush. Documents the Jackie Robinson time with brooklyn and the battles with New York Giants and Yankees. Also what caused both teams to leave new york. great documentary 1883 There are two Edgar Smith's. Both are off the list and I only have one. __________________ Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack: http://hosted.filefront.com/twil1 My Logos are Here http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/t_wil1/ My Stadiums Here http://www.theperfectgame.net/forums...?dlcategory=31 GO CUBS GO! RON SANTO TO THE HALL! MAYBE GETTING RID OF WRITERS IN THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW THAT TO FINALLY HAPPEN! Wow did we (the Cubs) really bomb in the play-offs! Last edited by t_wil1 : 08-10-2007 at 01:43 PM.

08-10-2007, 02:19 PM	#3076 (permalink)
UKBaseballfan All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Essex, United Kingdom / Indiana Posts: 977	Johnny Logan The Edgar Smith pic comes from a team photo of the 1883 Boston Beaneaters it is Albert Edgar Smith. Attached Images

08-10-2007, 04:24 PM	#3077 (permalink)
t_wil1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 2,008	Jack jones Okay.... two Jack jones from 1883 one pic. Steve Brady.... Missing Pic, not on missing list __________________ Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack: http://hosted.filefront.com/twil1 My Logos are Here http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/t_wil1/ My Stadiums Here http://www.theperfectgame.net/forums...?dlcategory=31 GO CUBS GO! RON SANTO TO THE HALL! MAYBE GETTING RID OF WRITERS IN THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW THAT TO FINALLY HAPPEN! Wow did we (the Cubs) really bomb in the play-offs! Last edited by t_wil1 : 08-10-2007 at 04:28 PM.

08-10-2007, 08:39 PM	#3078 (permalink)
Rube Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 162	WrightWing, I'd just like to let you know I've been using many of the pics in your facepacks for a long time and to thank you for making them available. I appreciate it.

08-10-2007, 09:19 PM	#3080 (permalink)
bearman14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Easton Pa Posts: 6,644	Steve Brady I think Last edited by bearman14 : 02-22-2008 at 11:20 AM.

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