CubbyFan23/haveband Roster Set Ratings Discussion

[blah37]

can you fix the financials?

[gZusLuvsU15]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

The problem is that none of the pitching roles "stick," in that if I make a guy a closer, and then automanage the team, if the team doesn't use him as closer his "position" switches to middle reliever (and vice versa).

Ah, I see, thanks. Maybe this GM is actually smart enough to realize that Todd Jones should NOT be the closer!

[injury log]

In order to make it easier to discuss fielding ratings, I did a quick check of all players by their set position, and worked out the approximate median value in Cubby/hb's set for each rating.

_______IF rng__ IF arm_Turn DP_IF error
P______23_____38_____27_____23
1B_____32_____43_____43_____53
2B_____58_____53_____73_____63
SS_____72_____76_____77_____76
3B_____52_____72_____62_____66


_______OF rng__OF arm_OF error
LF_____53_____62_____59
CF_____82_____58_____72
RF_____52_____72_____58

_______C arm__C abil__ IF error
C______62_____62_____7

[EDITED many times; man it's hard to get tables to look right!]

I post this so we can discuss fielding ratings more intelligently; if you think, say, Pujols should have well above average range at 1st (he has a 51/100), well, he does- 3rd best in the set, in fact, and way above the 32/100 median for 1B. I'm a bit concerned the IF error ratings for catchers are so low; it's my understanding that this affects a catcher's fielding PCT. I can now make concrete numerical suggestions for the fielding suggestions made so far (ratings out of 200 now), by comparing with the average at each position:

ryan zimmerman
if range --> 166
turn dp --> 120

robert fick
c arm --> 66
c abil --> 60

dmitri young
if error --> 35

tony batista
if range --> 70

felipe lopez
if range --> all ok here, actually
if error --> 120

ryan langerhans
of arm --> 130
of rng --> 170

josh barfield
if rng --> 125
if error --> 110

aaron hill
if rng --> 131

edgar renteria
if rng --> 132

ramon santiago
if rng --> 165
turn dp --> 160
if error --> 155

carlos guillen
is below avg already, for a SS, so all ok here

jeff francoeur
of rng --> 128

matt diaz
of rng --> 80

[injury log]

I think we should also point out missing players in this thread. I just released the Cubs top 10 prospects twice so I could see their top 30 (can post if anyone is interested), and discovered two players missing from the set:

Ryan Harvey, OF (Cubs no. 8 prospect, according to BA)
Larry Suarez, 17 (or 18) year old RHSP, now in rookie ball (Cubs no. 25 prospect according to BA, expensive signing from Venezuela)

Other international signs from last offseason:
Angel Villalona, 3b, SF (some scouts think this guy will be an absolute monster in a few years)
Esmailyn Gonzalez, SS, WAS (very slick fielder, not so much with the bat)

And, as was discovered before, missing from the Pirates:
Brad Lincoln, SP, PIT (injured)
Serguey Linares, SP

I'll look for other international signs that might be missing.

[injury log]

triola,

One spelling mistake: 'devin ivani', c, WAS should be 'devin ivany'.

Tyler Colvin with the Cubs also already has 5 years of MLB service time, which is why he doesn't show up on the Cubs prospect list.

[Terpripken]

I had thought I might make a list of Devil Rays "issues"...but honestly I think most of the ratings are pretty darn good. I will post minor biographical errors as I see them though.

3B Akinori Iwamura should have a higher range rating imo...but I have no solid stats to back this up...other than his 5 Gold Gloves in Japan....and watching him smother everything night after night.

CL Seth McClung is from Lewisburg, WV...not TN.


I'll post things as I see them...but honestly I am having such a blast with this set...that the usual minor details aren't bugging me at all.

Perhaps your best work to date Cubby.

[injury log]

ok, here are the high profile international signs from the winter 2006 signing period who aren't in the set (Triunfel is in there):

in rookie ball (complex leagues):
angel villalona 3b SF
engel beltre of BOS
balbino fuenmayor 3b TOR
euclides viloria lhsp SD
jason smit ss CLE
esmailyn gonzalez ss WAS
larry suarez rhsp CHIC

haven't played anywhere this year:
moises tejeda ss BOS
jesus montero c NYY
danilo alvarez rhsp ATL

I'd be happy to read up on these guys and rate them; let me know if that would be helpful.

[jskipper]

Originally Posted by injury log

In order to make it easier to discuss fielding ratings, I did a quick check of all players by their set position, and worked out the approximate median value in Cubby/hb's set for each rating.

_______IF rng__ IF arm_Turn DP_IF error
P______23_____38_____27_____23
1B_____32_____43_____43_____53
2B_____58_____53_____73_____63
SS_____72_____76_____77_____76
3B_____52_____72_____62_____66


_______OF rng__OF arm_OF error
LF_____53_____62_____59
CF_____82_____58_____72
RF_____52_____72_____58

_______C arm__C abil__ IF error
C______62_____62_____7

I think Chris Duffy of the Pirates should have a boost to his defensive ratings based on the above. Currently he is at an 82 for range, the median, and 62 for error, below the median, and a 52 for arm, below the median.

I've heard his arm described as average, so a 52 isn't terrible. His errors should at least be average, if not above...he has a career .988 fielding % and is .998 this year. Also, his range should be phenomenal...that is the most impressive part of his game. I'd put him near the top on that.

On the other hand, Jason Bay has an arm of 63, above the 59 median for LF. His arm can only be described as a noodle, so I'd lower that to below the median.

Also, if you're looking for current day updates, Rajai Davis should be up from AAA and Salomon Torres on the DL.

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by injury log

I'm a bit concerned the IF error ratings for catchers are so low; it's my understanding that this affects a catcher's fielding PCT.

Is this true?! If so I had no idea and I'll have to change this immediately.

[injury log]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Is this true?! If so I had no idea and I'll have to change this immediately.

Go to a catcher's editor screen, adjust his infield error rating, and you'll see his catcher rating will change. It is much less important in calculating the catcher's rating than arm or catcher ability, but it makes a difference. For this reason, and because of posts Zeyes has made elsewhere about defense, I think it must be used in-game.

I just checked a fictional OOTP league to see what IF error ratings OOTP normally gives to catchers, if this will help as a guideline. They aren't very high, normally. On the /200 scale, the median IF error for all catchers is 65, the highest is 115, and the lowest is 15. Perhaps someone could run a script to raise all catchers' IF Error by 50 (out of 200) in your set, and then every catcher would at least be near average in error rating.

[gZusLuvsU15]

Originally Posted by Terpripken

I'll post things as I see them...but honestly I am having such a blast with this set...that the usual minor details aren't bugging me at all.

Have you been able to trade people?

[Terpripken]

Originally Posted by gZusLuvsU15

Have you been able to trade people?

Yes. Well...I have only attempted one deal. But it worked out fine. I play my games out, so I am still in the 2nd week of April. So far so good though...haven't experienced any of the crashes others have mentioned yet.

[STL10WC]

You guys are awesome.

[Blaksox1919]

Originally Posted by Blaksox1919

I am running a sim currently, and I am watching the Tigers organization. There are a couple of things that bother me, and while I realize that this is just one sim I have done so far I wanted to mention it. Both Omar Infante and marcus Thames get way too many AB's and they take them from Craig Monroe and Placido Palanco. Maybe this is a situation like you just explained with the pitcher's role, but I hope there may be something you could do to rectify this. Also, through two months of the sim it seems the Tigers power numbers are pretty low (actually at a quick glance the entire AL seems low) Thames had 12 (too many, but he was also getting too many AB's as I said), Inge had 9, Sheffield had 6 and there wasn't anybody else with more than 3. Noteables; Guillen 1, Ordonez 2. I plan one running some more tests, maybe this was a fluke, but it just seemed a little extreme.

Am I allowed to quote myself????? Anyway, finished out that first sim and wanted to finish my thoughts at first season's end....

-Thames: 46HR (WOW!!) 128 RBI (really need to find a way to cut his AB
-Ordonez: only 9 HR (not to mention gets sent to Toledo after season)
-Sheffield: gets released as you already have mentioned
-Granderson: .257 12 48 and only 5 triples
-Verlander: just flat awful stats over 6 ERA, and gets moved to MR
-Guillen: ended with 18 HR (not bad)
-Rogers: pitched a grand total of 47 Inn (no injuries) gets released

ok thats enough for now, I am eager to run some more test but will probably wait for the next release.

[Youkilis For MVP]

Great work overall Cubby and everyone else

A few quick issues with the Red Sox...

Kevin Youkilis: is currently hitting .330, but in the game his AVG projects to be .259. I don't know if he'll maintain .330 (he's done a pretty good job so far ) but .259 seems way too low. It also has him striking out 108 times. He's been taking less pitches this year, which (so far) has severely limited his strikeouts. He's on pace to have about 80. Everything else seems fine. He should also be listed as a 1B, as this is his primary position, and he should have the full 200 exp there.

Mike Lowell: The game projects him to hit .261 with 16 home runs. So far this season he's already hit 12 homers, and is hitting .293 (which is down from about .330 after a recent slump. Everything else seems right on the mark.

Julio Lugo: He's hitting .190 with 8 home runs. The game projects him to hit .271 with 9 home runs on the season. So far this year he's shown better power than his ratings would allow for, but his AVG is waaay down. Now, i wouldn't want Julio being released by the AI three days into the season, but he's really been a complete bust for the Sox this year.

Alex Cora: He's been pretty good off the bench for the Sox, hitting .283. The game projects him to hit .246, which is a little low. His ratings need to be raised enough so that the AI sees him as a bench player, not a minor leaguer. He should also be on the major league roster.

Jon Lester: Besides his injury (which has not yet been added) Lester is major league ready whenever the Sox need him.

Josh Beckett: Beckett is on pace for a 3.01 ERA and about 160 ks and is having a Cy Young season to this point. The game projects a 4.19 ERA and only 112 strikeouts. Home runs allowed is also way down, him only having 5 on the season to this point.

Daisuke Matsuzaka: Daisuke already has 110 ks on the season, while the game projects him to have 121 all year. Stuff needs a huge boost. On the flip side, he's already walked as many people as the game projects in a full season (36 to the game's 38), and his ERA is higher than projected.

Craig Breslow: Though he's had considerable success at Pawtucket this year and is probably ready for the majors, I don't think he should be rated to make the team right off the bat.

Bryce Cox: This guy has split time between AA and A this year, and he struggled pretty bad in AA Portland. However you have him with current ratings good enough to be in the majors now at 57/80. The kids just a year out of college and SoxProspects.com lists his ETA as 2009.

Tim Wakefield: He has more Ks than your ratings give him credit for, but other than that not bad.

Sammy Sosa: Ok, sure he's not a Red Sox, but he's not retired either. Of course I'd retire too if I had 1's and 0's in every category except contact.

40-Man Roster: The 40-man roster seemed fine in the last release, but now its all over the place. The biggest problem is the absences of Brendan Donnelly, Alex Cora, and Jacoby Ellsbury.

Also, the Hall of Fame is not complete, but I'm sure you know that.

Good work on the set guys!

EDIT: Is there any plan to add Japanese, indy, winter leagues, college etc?

[injury log]

Re:

Originally Posted by gZusLuvsU15

Jeremy Bonderman - Everything looks good except he averages about 171 strikeouts a season (OOTP has him at 119), maybe move his stuff into the 120s and raise his potential just a wee bit.

and...

Originally Posted by Youkilis For MVP

Josh Beckett: Beckett is on pace for a 3.01 ERA and about 160 ks and is having a Cy Young season to this point. The game projects a 4.19 ERA and only 112 strikeouts. Home runs allowed is also way down, him only having 5 on the season to this point.

Daisuke Matsuzaka: Daisuke already has 110 ks on the season, while the game projects him to have 121 all year. Stuff needs a huge boost. On the flip side, he's already walked as many people as the game projects in a full season (36 to the game's 38), and his ERA is higher than projected.

The displays in the editor window for pitchers are not projections for a full season; they are for 550 ABs against, or for about 140 IP. So the K projection for Bonderman or Beckett isn't in the low 100s for a full year.

For a 210 IP season, the projections in Cubby's set are:
Beckett- 169 K
Matsuzaka- 181 K
Bonderman- 181 K

Matsuzaka still seems short in Stuff; he's averaging over 1 K per inning. Bonderman is a touch short too, but Beckett is pretty close to his Boston performance over the past year and a half.

edit- on Matsuzaka, I agree Stuff should go up, and Control down.

[Tony M]

Originally Posted by Youkilis For MVP

Sammy Sosa: Ok, sure he's not a Red Sox, but he's not retired either. Of course I'd retire too if I had 1's and 0's in every category except contact.

That's the retirement bug that is present in OOTP2007, due to BABIP being a new field tacked onto the end of a player, it hasn't been removed for the retired players (like all the other ratings which is why they are 0's and 1's). It has been noted as a bug

[injury log]

I went through all the batters, looking at fielding experience ratings to see if any players were missing positions. A few suggestions:

Brandon Inge- was a fulltime catcher for three years in the majors, and not a bad one at that; he's only playing 3B because of I-Rod. He should have experience and ratings that are near average, maybe below because of rust;

Chad Tracy- all of his outfield experience should be in RF, not in LF;

Miguel Cabrera- played 100 games in RF in '04, so he should have a bit of experience there;

Ben Broussard- should have some experience in LF, and maybe in RF (he's started 11 games in the outfield this year, and was an outfielder in the minors);

Jayson Werth- came up as a catcher, after starting out as an infielder. LA considered using him at catcher, so he should still have some skills there, if below average, and some experience;

Scott Hatteberg- should have a lot catcher experience, but should have an absolutely awful arm (he threw out only 9% of basestealers in his last season as catcher);

Josh Willingham- played catcher for several years in the minors, but had 4 passed balls in 70 major league innings, and threw out only 1 of 9 basestealers. Should be very, very terrible in catcher ratings, but with some experience;

Melvin Mora- was a superutility type until 3 years ago; he should have a lot of LF experience and CF experience, even if his OF ratings should be bad. He has also played a lot of SS, though he shouldn't be competent there now;

Corey Hart- came through the minors as a 1B, then a 3B (although he was terrible at third- tons of errors);

Pat Burrell- has played some 1B in the majors.

[Overkill]

How will this set treat players that FORMERLY played positions? ie Bill Hall is currently set to CF and 3B, but as late as last year he spent most of his time at SS and has even played more games at 2B than his current positions.

One more thing...where is Craig Biggio? I can't find him anywhere, not even with a search.

[CubbyFan23]

For some reason a few guys have disappeared while we were doing the conversion, Biggio, Polanco, Sosa are a few I noticed. Not sure why this is.

Adding them back in now either way.