Spritze/Garlon DB - Page 12

plannine · 10-11-2008, 04:15 PM

Been playing around with 5.0 a bit. Seems to help early days alot (1871-1880), as long as the retire option is turned on, or you get alot of 1 year players, having HOF careers.

I tend to look at just a few players (over baseball's history) to use as benchmarks of the DB/Game. When someone doesn't appear, or appears in a odd way, i try to re-run and see if it is a fluke, or something wrong with the game or DB. So I tend to see what I feel are things that just arent right with certain players. (Sam Crawford, Gavvy Cravath, Cy Young, Adde Joss for example are my 1900-1910 players of interest). The negro leagues Rube Foster & Grant Johnson is my Negro League player of interest if they are included in the DB.(Im still learning about Japanese players, but i'm sure I will have a few more, other the Victor Starffin to know about)

So as in the past, Rube Foster seems to get very odd results - comes in to the game as a first baseman - if he makes the ball club, he will be the starting player, either at first or CF for a few years, makes a jump to pitcher for a few years, then returns to the OF then retires. (in a few tests he will stay in the minors for a couple of seasons, and retire).

Too many at bats are credited to him in the DB - is this the same with all the pitchers? How does that effect people who are credited with being pitchers and players? Does the 'fielding' numbers determine a players value rather then atbats or games from the hitting stats. Just alot of questions.

Still another great database - thanks again (for thousands of hours of gameplay! - my wife hates you and markus, more then she dislikes baseball!!!!

Spritze · 10-12-2008, 12:57 AM

The extra AB's are just to allow OOTP9 to rate a pitchers batting ability better. They have no other effect than the ratings. Just remember it is the ratings that determines a players value, it has next to nothing to do with games or AB's or IP's.

Back in the day some pitchers were really good hitters. Rube Foster did start as a first-baseman/pitcher. In the early negro leagues hardly anyone only pitched. That is also true in 1800's baseball as well. Hopefully OOTP10 might allow this to be modeled better.

thehef · 10-18-2008, 05:12 PM

I'm brand-new to v9, was a 6.51 gamer for awhile. For my first attempt at a v9 historical league, I'm using the Spritze v5 db, am starting w the year 1901, and have chosen the 'nuetralized stats' option. A few questions/issues:

1. When I imported, I saw that many of the players are not on their correct 1901 teams. For example, Roger Bresnahan - who should've been on Baltimore, was on New York. And, in checking his data in the batting.csv file, it has him on NY for his whole career (despite the fact that he played for six teams during his career). Is that intentional? And if so, why? Is this going to be an issue going forward, as historical rookies are imported?

2. If I want a semi-realistic replay, but do not mind having a few surprises here and there, how many years - if any - should I use for re-calc?

3. Given my goal of a semi-realistic reply, am I using the right option on nuetralization? If my intent is to keep most players - certainly the stars and name players on their correct teams as the years go by, should I use nuetralization or not?

4. I see that there are a lot of short-career-in-real-life- players who, in the Spritze 5 db have had their careers extended forwards and/or backwards. I assume this is to fortify the pool with enough players to fill out rosters. Assuming so, this sounds like a good thing. However, for a players whose career was extended backwards, it sounds like it could present problems. For example, let's say Joe Schmoe - who IRL played 5 games w Team A in 1904 and 140 games w Team B in 1907, then disappeared - is imported in 1901 to Team A, would there be a pretty good chance that he'd disappear or reverse-develop into a low minor-leaguer by the time he was supposed to be a starter w Team B in 1907? If my assumptions are correct, are there any workarounds to this?

5. I have chosen not to retire players according to history because I don't mind if players play longer. I have also chosen to auto adjust league modifiers after each season. Does this pose any conflicts with the other options I have chosen, the db I'm using, etc.?

Answers & opinions, plus other thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

Spritze · 10-18-2008, 06:55 PM

A. There are no neutralized stats in the game for the extended portions of a players career included in this db nor for the added players. I am not sure how this may affect gameplay.

1. All players are assigned only to a single team. The one they played the most time with and are most associated with. Example:Ernie Banks started his career in the negro leagues and OOTP would assign him to the free agent pool rather than the Cubs as a rookie if left to its own devices. Most players pre-1960 began their careers with an independant minor league league. If this assignment isn't done then only players who went straight to the majors would start with an appropriate team. If you have the draft enabled this doesn't make any difference but if you wish to assign players to their historical teams this is necessary. I simply chose the team they played the most with rather than their first, so Lou Brock is a Cardinal and not a Cub.

2. Recalc of 3 years generally seems reasonable but use whatever you personally like. The db works with any of the recalc choices.

3. If you wish to keep most players assigned to a team of your choice disable the right to refuse minor league assignments and keep trading frequency set to its lowest level. Also disable all forms of free agency. This will help keep player movement quelled. Using these settings in my last league I kept Ty Cobb on my team for his entire career and paid him a mere pittance. Neutralization does not affect this at all.

4. With recalc this does not happen. But be aware that as this db includes MLE's of real minor league seasons that player who only played 4 games IN THE MAJORS probably played an additional 100 or so games in the minors and if he kicked butt in the minors he could even be a starter the whole year in the majors if he really was better than the fellow who was chosen to play in the majors. The MLE's are calculated/adjusted so that this only happens if the minor leaguer was demonstrably better than the major leaguer. But quite a few were and the frequency of this is much higher when the minor leagues were independant than later when they were controlled by the majors as they are now. So you may notice this until about 1955 and then it seems to pretty much dissapate as the majors gained absolute control over all minor league players.

5. Strangely I have found that not retiring according to history generally results in shorter careers rather than longer. But thou may do as you wish as either way works just fine with this db.

phillosopherp · 10-18-2008, 09:18 PM

Question does the Spritze/Garlon DB which is neutralized have the bonus feature that you add to your own db spritze that it has rookies enter before there major league debut but in there baseball debut. I ask because I find I like neutraized state better but I am using your because I don't want guys to be drafted and be ML ready right now. I want them to have to go through the whole process like they should. Let me know please. Thanks

Spritze · 10-18-2008, 09:31 PM

The neutralized db is much more Lahman like so it does not contain the rookie feature. Rookie classes in that db contain only major league ready players same as the standard Lahman does.

thehef · 10-19-2008, 05:19 AM

Thanks for the reply. Just to clarify:

Quote:

The neutralized db is much more Lahman like so it does not contain the rookie feature. Rookie classes in that db contain only major league ready players same as the standard Lahman does.

Are you referring to the naturalized db that comes w v9, or one of your other ones that's out there. And does the v to which you're referring above contain the negro & japanese players? Not that it's a showstopper, just curious... And is that the v that would put Bresnahan, for example, on Balt instead of NY in 1901? Assuming so, it would also be short on players in those early years, right?

So many variables. It gets a little confusing trying to figure out which db has which features... ;-) Thanks!

Spritze · 10-19-2008, 10:39 AM

The original neutralized db submitted to Marcus contained a few Negro and Japanese players. They were dropped from the neutralized db included in the game. Most of the rest of Garlons adaptations like gap seasons and missing war years are in the game version.

So the Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db is the same as the game one with the addition of the Negro and Japanese players and it has Garlons fielding neutralizations included as well. It also includes any other items dropped from the originally submitted version, of which I think there are none.

The mod Spritze db is not neutralized in any way, contains many more players and player seasons, does have the gaps and missing war years filled in using the same process as the in-game neutralized db and does assign players to a single team. It also has stretched some careers as noted in the readme file to allow for easier 1800's game play as well as to avoid the 34 year olds in the draft class challenge the standard game included db has. This db's draft classes are composed of 18 to 19 year olds for the most part, which allows for minor league player development and to my mind more fun especially as I always play as a minor league manager. With recalc on these young players progress nicely and generally follow their normal historical career arc. With recalc off one can attempt to develop these young players in a more challenging way.

thehef · 10-19-2008, 01:51 PM

Thanks much for the reply!

Re the "Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db" about which you write in the 2nd paragraph above, where can this one be found? Is it essentially the same as the 715 runs v on allsimbaseball.com (that's the only Garlon/Spritze db I see there)? I understand from other posts somewhere that there s/b no diff betw using the 750 & 715 v's...

Spritze · 10-19-2008, 01:56 PM

Arrr Matey, thats the one!

thehef · 10-19-2008, 02:45 PM

Thanks again. Sorry to stay on this subject so long...

I tried to load the Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db by creating a folder on my c drive, placing the four csv files from the db in it and filling it out w the rest of the files from Lahman, then renaming the Garlon/Spritze files to match (for example, ranaming pitching715.csv to Pitching.csv), then pointing the game to the Master.csv file in that folder, and selecting 1901. Each time I tried that I got an error mssg:

The loading of the historical league failed. Please make sure the year is between 1871 and 2007, and the path to the database is correct.

Other selections were:
-base rating on naturalized stats
-base potential on remaining years
-base fielding on 3-yr
-generate random L/R
-did not adjust hitters & pitchers w fewer...

There's no readme w the 715 file, so I wasn't sure if there was something else I should do. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Spritze · 10-19-2008, 03:35 PM

You installed it correctly.

There is a fix for this that I have forgotton for the moment, when the memory rears it ugly head I'll post it here.

It is an OOTP setting as I disremember....... maybe it is that when starting in 1901 OOTP tries to use the 1900 stats and there was no AL then. It is something like that. Try starting in 1902 and if it works, then that is what the issue is.

You might also find this in FAQ or Tech support.

thehef · 10-21-2008, 12:36 PM

Just an update on this: The key to successfully loading the Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db seems to be selecting the 'real stats' option instead of 'neutralized stats.' I'm assuming that the 'real stats' in the db are nuetralized and that there's some sort of conflict when 'neutralized' is chosen.

At any rate, it loaded successfully (for the year 1901), but I haven't tried playing games yet. Still configuring & tinkering w rosters & stuff...

thehef · 10-29-2008, 03:31 AM

Re-visiting the issue of the use of the Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db, with a question about park factors... Which is the best way to play if the goal is realistic replay? My guess is that I should "Assign neutral park factors to all parks," but I really have no idea...

And if I do "Assign neutral park factors to all parks," I'm assuming that makes the Distances and Wall Heights meaningless as far as results are concerned. Correct? But would it still have an effect on play-by-play? I'm asking because I'm wondering if should bother to change a few where I have whacky things like 500-ft CF distances (I wouldn't want to see pbp w 495-ft flyouts).

Also, although unrelated to the Spritze/Garlon DB topic - but related to ballparks... Is there a way to delete ballparks so you don't end up with an unmanageably long list? Or would the answer be to simply rename existing ones that aren't being used? Or?

Thanks in advance.

Spritze · 10-29-2008, 09:59 AM

Distances and wall heights are meaningless as far as the number of HR's hit. They are merely color adders.

You can go either way with park factors as they DO affect the numbers. Some like them off, some on. This is a personal preference.

Unused Park graphics can be deleted or kept, Again just a personal preferance.

Syxx34 · 10-31-2008, 07:39 AM

Is there an update file for this historical league and database? and How do I install the database for the game?

Spritze · 10-31-2008, 05:48 PM

there will be an update when the new Lahman comes out.

You don't install it, just point to it (master.csv) when creating your game.

thehef · 11-01-2008, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Spritze wrote:
You can go either way with park factors as they DO affect the numbers. Some like them off, some on. This is a personal preference.

Right. But since they DO affect the numbers, which would be the recommended choice - 'Assign neutral park factors to all parks' or leave as is - to use with Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db if I wanted realistic stats?

Spritze · 11-01-2008, 01:58 PM

Personally, I like to use Park Factors. So pitching in Texas or Colorado hammers a ERA and hitting there inflates HR's and such.

Just my purrfectly prefurred prefurrence prefurrentially speaking (as Catwoman would).

phillosopherp · 11-02-2008, 02:42 AM

Hey Spritze, I just noticed something in your DB. The Japanese players are all 0'5" in height. Maybe something you want to look into.

10-11-2008, 04:15 PM	#221 (permalink)
plannine Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 390	Been playing around with 5.0 a bit. Seems to help early days alot (1871-1880), as long as the retire option is turned on, or you get alot of 1 year players, having HOF careers. I tend to look at just a few players (over baseball's history) to use as benchmarks of the DB/Game. When someone doesn't appear, or appears in a odd way, i try to re-run and see if it is a fluke, or something wrong with the game or DB. So I tend to see what I feel are things that just arent right with certain players. (Sam Crawford, Gavvy Cravath, Cy Young, Adde Joss for example are my 1900-1910 players of interest). The negro leagues Rube Foster & Grant Johnson is my Negro League player of interest if they are included in the DB.(Im still learning about Japanese players, but i'm sure I will have a few more, other the Victor Starffin to know about) So as in the past, Rube Foster seems to get very odd results - comes in to the game as a first baseman - if he makes the ball club, he will be the starting player, either at first or CF for a few years, makes a jump to pitcher for a few years, then returns to the OF then retires. (in a few tests he will stay in the minors for a couple of seasons, and retire). Too many at bats are credited to him in the DB - is this the same with all the pitchers? How does that effect people who are credited with being pitchers and players? Does the 'fielding' numbers determine a players value rather then atbats or games from the hitting stats. Just alot of questions. Still another great database - thanks again (for thousands of hours of gameplay! - my wife hates you and markus, more then she dislikes baseball!!!! __________________ "Baseball gives every American boy a chance to excel, not just to be as good as someone else but to be better than someone else. This is the nature of man and the name of the game. Ted Williams (1918-2002)

10-18-2008, 06:55 PM	#224 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	A. There are no neutralized stats in the game for the extended portions of a players career included in this db nor for the added players. I am not sure how this may affect gameplay. 1. All players are assigned only to a single team. The one they played the most time with and are most associated with. Example:Ernie Banks started his career in the negro leagues and OOTP would assign him to the free agent pool rather than the Cubs as a rookie if left to its own devices. Most players pre-1960 began their careers with an independant minor league league. If this assignment isn't done then only players who went straight to the majors would start with an appropriate team. If you have the draft enabled this doesn't make any difference but if you wish to assign players to their historical teams this is necessary. I simply chose the team they played the most with rather than their first, so Lou Brock is a Cardinal and not a Cub. 2. Recalc of 3 years generally seems reasonable but use whatever you personally like. The db works with any of the recalc choices. 3. If you wish to keep most players assigned to a team of your choice disable the right to refuse minor league assignments and keep trading frequency set to its lowest level. Also disable all forms of free agency. This will help keep player movement quelled. Using these settings in my last league I kept Ty Cobb on my team for his entire career and paid him a mere pittance. Neutralization does not affect this at all. 4. With recalc this does not happen. But be aware that as this db includes MLE's of real minor league seasons that player who only played 4 games IN THE MAJORS probably played an additional 100 or so games in the minors and if he kicked butt in the minors he could even be a starter the whole year in the majors if he really was better than the fellow who was chosen to play in the majors. The MLE's are calculated/adjusted so that this only happens if the minor leaguer was demonstrably better than the major leaguer. But quite a few were and the frequency of this is much higher when the minor leagues were independant than later when they were controlled by the majors as they are now. So you may notice this until about 1955 and then it seems to pretty much dissapate as the majors gained absolute control over all minor league players. 5. Strangely I have found that not retiring according to history generally results in shorter careers rather than longer. But thou may do as you wish as either way works just fine with this db. Last edited by Spritze : 10-18-2008 at 06:57 PM.

10-19-2008, 10:39 AM	#228 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	Overview? The original neutralized db submitted to Marcus contained a few Negro and Japanese players. They were dropped from the neutralized db included in the game. Most of the rest of Garlons adaptations like gap seasons and missing war years are in the game version. So the Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db is the same as the game one with the addition of the Negro and Japanese players and it has Garlons fielding neutralizations included as well. It also includes any other items dropped from the originally submitted version, of which I think there are none. The mod Spritze db is not neutralized in any way, contains many more players and player seasons, does have the gaps and missing war years filled in using the same process as the in-game neutralized db and does assign players to a single team. It also has stretched some careers as noted in the readme file to allow for easier 1800's game play as well as to avoid the 34 year olds in the draft class challenge the standard game included db has. This db's draft classes are composed of 18 to 19 year olds for the most part, which allows for minor league player development and to my mind more fun especially as I always play as a minor league manager. With recalc on these young players progress nicely and generally follow their normal historical career arc. With recalc off one can attempt to develop these young players in a more challenging way.

10-31-2008, 07:39 AM	#236 (permalink)
Syxx34 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Coral Springs Posts: 163	hey Is there an update file for this historical league and database? and How do I install the database for the game? __________________ *DABS -* *San Francisco Giants (2009 NL West Champs)* vMLB - Oakland Athletics

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10-12-2008, 12:57 AM	#222 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	The extra AB's are just to allow OOTP9 to rate a pitchers batting ability better. They have no other effect than the ratings. Just remember it is the ratings that determines a players value, it has next to nothing to do with games or AB's or IP's. Back in the day some pitchers were really good hitters. Rube Foster did start as a first-baseman/pitcher. In the early negro leagues hardly anyone only pitched. That is also true in 1800's baseball as well. Hopefully OOTP10 might allow this to be modeled better.

10-18-2008, 05:12 PM	#223 (permalink)
thehef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 117	I'm brand-new to v9, was a 6.51 gamer for awhile. For my first attempt at a v9 historical league, I'm using the Spritze v5 db, am starting w the year 1901, and have chosen the 'nuetralized stats' option. A few questions/issues: 1. When I imported, I saw that many of the players are not on their correct 1901 teams. For example, Roger Bresnahan - who should've been on Baltimore, was on New York. And, in checking his data in the batting.csv file, it has him on NY for his whole career (despite the fact that he played for six teams during his career). Is that intentional? And if so, why? Is this going to be an issue going forward, as historical rookies are imported? 2. If I want a semi-realistic replay, but do not mind having a few surprises here and there, how many years - if any - should I use for re-calc? 3. Given my goal of a semi-realistic reply, am I using the right option on nuetralization? If my intent is to keep most players - certainly the stars and name players on their correct teams as the years go by, should I use nuetralization or not? 4. I see that there are a lot of short-career-in-real-life- players who, in the Spritze 5 db have had their careers extended forwards and/or backwards. I assume this is to fortify the pool with enough players to fill out rosters. Assuming so, this sounds like a good thing. However, for a players whose career was extended backwards, it sounds like it could present problems. For example, let's say Joe Schmoe - who IRL played 5 games w Team A in 1904 and 140 games w Team B in 1907, then disappeared - is imported in 1901 to Team A, would there be a pretty good chance that he'd disappear or reverse-develop into a low minor-leaguer by the time he was supposed to be a starter w Team B in 1907? If my assumptions are correct, are there any workarounds to this? 5. I have chosen not to retire players according to history because I don't mind if players play longer. I have also chosen to auto adjust league modifiers after each season. Does this pose any conflicts with the other options I have chosen, the db I'm using, etc.? Answers & opinions, plus other thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

10-18-2008, 09:18 PM	#225 (permalink)
phillosopherp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 176	Question does the Spritze/Garlon DB which is neutralized have the bonus feature that you add to your own db spritze that it has rookies enter before there major league debut but in there baseball debut. I ask because I find I like neutraized state better but I am using your because I don't want guys to be drafted and be ML ready right now. I want them to have to go through the whole process like they should. Let me know please. Thanks

10-18-2008, 09:31 PM	#226 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	The neutralized db is much more Lahman like so it does not contain the rookie feature. Rookie classes in that db contain only major league ready players same as the standard Lahman does.

10-19-2008, 01:51 PM	#229 (permalink)
thehef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 117	Thanks much for the reply! Re the "Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db" about which you write in the 2nd paragraph above, where can this one be found? Is it essentially the same as the 715 runs v on allsimbaseball.com (that's the only Garlon/Spritze db I see there)? I understand from other posts somewhere that there s/b no diff betw using the 750 & 715 v's...

10-19-2008, 01:56 PM	#230 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	Arrr Matey, thats the one!

10-19-2008, 02:45 PM	#231 (permalink)
thehef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 117	Thanks again. Sorry to stay on this subject so long... I tried to load the Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db by creating a folder on my c drive, placing the four csv files from the db in it and filling it out w the rest of the files from Lahman, then renaming the Garlon/Spritze files to match (for example, ranaming pitching715.csv to Pitching.csv), then pointing the game to the Master.csv file in that folder, and selecting 1901. Each time I tried that I got an error mssg: The loading of the historical league failed. Please make sure the year is between 1871 and 2007, and the path to the database is correct. Other selections were: -base rating on naturalized stats -base potential on remaining years -base fielding on 3-yr -generate random L/R -did not adjust hitters & pitchers w fewer... There's no readme w the 715 file, so I wasn't sure if there was something else I should do. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

10-19-2008, 03:35 PM	#232 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	You installed it correctly. There is a fix for this that I have forgotton for the moment, when the memory rears it ugly head I'll post it here. It is an OOTP setting as I disremember....... maybe it is that when starting in 1901 OOTP tries to use the 1900 stats and there was no AL then. It is something like that. Try starting in 1902 and if it works, then that is what the issue is. You might also find this in FAQ or Tech support.

10-21-2008, 12:36 PM	#233 (permalink)
thehef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 117	Just an update on this: The key to successfully loading the Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db seems to be selecting the 'real stats' option instead of 'neutralized stats.' I'm assuming that the 'real stats' in the db are nuetralized and that there's some sort of conflict when 'neutralized' is chosen. At any rate, it loaded successfully (for the year 1901), but I haven't tried playing games yet. Still configuring & tinkering w rosters & stuff...

10-29-2008, 03:31 AM	#234 (permalink)
thehef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 117	Re-visiting the issue of the use of the Mod Garlon/Spritze neutralized db, with a question about park factors... Which is the best way to play if the goal is realistic replay? My guess is that I should "Assign neutral park factors to all parks," but I really have no idea... And if I do "Assign neutral park factors to all parks," I'm assuming that makes the Distances and Wall Heights meaningless as far as results are concerned. Correct? But would it still have an effect on play-by-play? I'm asking because I'm wondering if should bother to change a few where I have whacky things like 500-ft CF distances (I wouldn't want to see pbp w 495-ft flyouts). Also, although unrelated to the Spritze/Garlon DB topic - but related to ballparks... Is there a way to delete ballparks so you don't end up with an unmanageably long list? Or would the answer be to simply rename existing ones that aren't being used? Or? Thanks in advance.

10-29-2008, 09:59 AM	#235 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	Distances and wall heights are meaningless as far as the number of HR's hit. They are merely color adders. You can go either way with park factors as they DO affect the numbers. Some like them off, some on. This is a personal preference. Unused Park graphics can be deleted or kept, Again just a personal preferance.

10-31-2008, 05:48 PM	#237 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	there will be an update when the new Lahman comes out. You don't install it, just point to it (master.csv) when creating your game.

11-01-2008, 01:58 PM	#239 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 787	Personally, I like to use Park Factors. So pitching in Texas or Colorado hammers a ERA and hitting there inflates HR's and such. Just my purrfectly prefurred prefurrence prefurrentially speaking (as Catwoman would).

11-02-2008, 02:42 AM	#240 (permalink)
phillosopherp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 176	Hey Spritze, I just noticed something in your DB. The Japanese players are all 0'5" in height. Maybe something you want to look into.