Moriarty9 Roster Set

[Moriarty9]

I've been quietly working on a roster set, and its looking like the initial version could be ready around the time the World Series comes to an end.

One area I'm looking for help in that any of you guys can take care of for me is the popularity ratings and such. If you're a Brewers fan, let me know what the average Brewers fan thinks of Jeff Suppan, Prince Fielder, Damian Miller, etc.
Rangers fan? What do your fellow Texans think about Michael Young, Kason Gabbard, Kameron Loe and David Murphy?

The ratings in-game are unknown, insignificant, fair, well known, popular, very popular, extremely popular.

I'm not so much looking for anybody's personal views but moreso what their fellow fans of XYZ team think about a guy. If you're a Mets fan that hates Pedro Martinez but think that most Mets fans like him, then rate him as the Mets fan base as a whole would likely rate them.

I'll rate everyone based on my personal knowledge/opinion but will defer to those who have a better handle on what Tigers fans think of Curtis Maybin or what Padres fans think of Josh Bard.

Either give me your ratings by responding in this thread, e-mailing me at seasonticket2003@yahoo.com or PMing me here. I prefer just responding in this thread ... that way if you do the Yankees and rate A-Rod as being extremely popular and another Yankees fan thinks he's merely popular, we can get the multiple opinions and average it out or find a middle ground or make some sort of determination.

More news on the roster set will come soon. Its been something I've been working on for awhile and am hoping to get some help with this aspect.

[tkirch]

Prince Fielder is the Most Popular Brewer.
Damian Miller is very popular Popular since he is a Wisconsin native.
Suppan is fair.
JJ Hardy, Ryan Braun, Corey Hart, Francisco Cordero, Yovanni Gallardo are all extremely popular
Popular: Bill Hall, Ben Sheets, Tony Gwynn Jr, Rickie Weeks, Carlos Villaneauva
Well Known: Geoff Jenkins, Johnny Estrada, Derrick Turnbow, Brian SHouse, Manny Parra
Fair: Dave Bush, Claudio Vargas,
Insignificant: Gabe Gross, Lance Nix, Matt Wise
HATED: Derrick Turnbow

[gregb7]

HATED: Derrick Turnbow[/quote]


Are you a Cubs fan? Turnbow is far from HATED.

He has his problems, like the whole damned bullpen
did, but I'd say he's rather popular, certainly not
hated.

Season Ticket Holder

[HeroinRejection]

I know this probably aint the place to ask

But when will someone be posting a roster set that has I dunno
the uptodate rosters with the current FA signings...and the trades made thus far

like Dontrelle Willis and Miggy C on the tigers and all the other things that have happened this far

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by gregb7

HATED: Derrick Turnbow

Are you a Cubs fan? Turnbow is far from HATED.

He has his problems, like the whole damned bullpen
did, but I'd say he's rather popular, certainly not
hated.

Season Ticket Holder

How about "intense dislike"?

I live in the Badger State and I find that people react much more negatively to the mention of Derrick Turnbow's name than to anyone else on the Brewers' roster.

[gregb7]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

How about "intense dislike"?

I live in the Badger State and I find that people react much more negatively to the mention of Derrick Turnbow's name than to anyone else on the Brewers' roster.

I live in Milwaukee and have had season tickets since Miller Park opened
and you're flat out wrong. Derrick Turnbow was part folk hero a couple
of years ago.....his stock has fallen, but not that much. I'd say popular
but i'll settle for well known, at WORST.

[DesertFox07]

Originally Posted by HeroinRejection

I know this probably aint the place to ask

But when will someone be posting a roster set that has I dunno
the uptodate rosters with the current FA signings...and the trades made thus far

like Dontrelle Willis and Miggy C on the tigers and all the other things that have happened this far

You want cubbysfans 2008 roster set from the rosters mods thread.

[pstrickert]

Here's an article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel shortly before the Brewers signed Eric Gagne to be the closer.

Brewers may tap Turnbow as closer

Slim pickings for team in free-agent market

By TOM HAUDRICOURT
thaudricourt@journalsentinel.com

Posted: Dec. 5, 2007

Nashville, Tenn. - Barring an unforeseen development, the Milwaukee Brewers don't anticipate acquiring an established bullpen closer, either through trade or free agency.

With that in mind, they are talking up Derrick Turnbow as the leading candidate to assume the role he held for a year and a half before melting down in midseason 2006.

"Derrick probably has a head-start on it because he has done it before and has been an all-star closer," manager Ned Yost said Wednesday at the winter meetings.

Club officials realize many fans are up in arms over the prospect of Turnbow being the closer again. Despite pitching well for the most part in a set-up role last season, the big right-hander was booed heavily at times by Miller Park fans for his failures.

Turnbow eventually admitted the booing was getting to him. So, won't it crush him if the fans turn on him again?

"Yes, I'm sure it will," Yost said. "He is (a lightning rod). I don't know what to tell him. 'Just go out and do your job. I'm not worried about it, so don't you worry about it.' "

The Brewers have had no luck at the winter meetings in finding a replacement for Francisco Cordero, who departed as a free agent to sign a four-year, $42 million deal with Cincinnati. Teams making closers available, such as Washington's Chad Cordero, Minnesota's Joe Nathan and Arizona's Jose Valverde, want so much in return that general manager Doug Melvin refuses to seriously consider trades.

Other than Eric Gagne and Octavio Dotel, the free-agent market for closers has been picked clean. The Brewers did finally complete their deal with setup man David Riske, who would be Plan B behind Turnbow, but there is no indication an established closer will be acquired.

Turnbow, 30, was a dominant closer for the Brewers in 2005, compiling a 1.74 ERA in 69 games and posting 39 saves, tying the club record at that time. But he fell apart after making the all-star team in '06 and forfeited the role to Cordero, acquired from Texas in the Carlos Lee trade.
Setting up for Cordero last season, Turnbow was erratic, posting a 2.19 ERA in April, 7.84 in May, 1.93 in June, 6.10 in July, 2.92 in August and 9.35 in September.

In a team-high 77 appearances, he posted a 4.63 ERA. But his ERA was inflated mostly by seven appearances in which he surrendered three or more runs.

Turnbow held opponents to a .183 batting average and ranked among the major-league leaders with 33 "holds" but got himself in trouble at times with walks, issuing 46 in 68 innings. He also allowed 12 of 14 inherited runners to score, which Yost called an "anomaly."

Because Turnbow can be stunningly wild at times, fans were quick to turn on him when he didn't throw strikes. But Yost believes he can be an effective reliever again.

"You look at Derrick's numbers, he's got a chance to be a dominant guy," Yost said. "They just don't see the ball good coming out of his hand.
"You break it down, how many bad outings did he have? Eight or 10? There's not many perfect people left in the world. For me to look for one in a closer, I'm not going to find him."

[gregb7]

So what's your point, that the Milwaukee fans are morons? Prince gets
booed when he strikes out, Weeks has been booed, alot of players get
booed. Man up guys. And if they expect Eric Gagne to be the closer,
wait until you hear THAT booing......that's gonna be ear splitting.

Most people show up with Packer stuff or Marquette or UWisc stuff on
anyway. They think this is the Brewers of the late 80s and
90s, i.e., their baseball intelligence just ain't there yet. Hopefully that
will change as this team improves.

Originally Posted by pstrickert

Here's an article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel shortly before the Brewers signed Eric Gagne to be the closer.

Brewers may tap Turnbow as closer

Slim pickings for team in free-agent market

By TOM HAUDRICOURT
thaudricourt@journalsentinel.com

Posted: Dec. 5, 2007

Nashville, Tenn. - Barring an unforeseen development, the Milwaukee Brewers don't anticipate acquiring an established bullpen closer, either through trade or free agency.

With that in mind, they are talking up Derrick Turnbow as the leading candidate to assume the role he held for a year and a half before melting down in midseason 2006.

"Derrick probably has a head-start on it because he has done it before and has been an all-star closer," manager Ned Yost said Wednesday at the winter meetings.

Club officials realize many fans are up in arms over the prospect of Turnbow being the closer again. Despite pitching well for the most part in a set-up role last season, the big right-hander was booed heavily at times by Miller Park fans for his failures.

Turnbow eventually admitted the booing was getting to him. So, won't it crush him if the fans turn on him again?

"Yes, I'm sure it will," Yost said. "He is (a lightning rod). I don't know what to tell him. 'Just go out and do your job. I'm not worried about it, so don't you worry about it.' "

The Brewers have had no luck at the winter meetings in finding a replacement for Francisco Cordero, who departed as a free agent to sign a four-year, $42 million deal with Cincinnati. Teams making closers available, such as Washington's Chad Cordero, Minnesota's Joe Nathan and Arizona's Jose Valverde, want so much in return that general manager Doug Melvin refuses to seriously consider trades.

Other than Eric Gagne and Octavio Dotel, the free-agent market for closers has been picked clean. The Brewers did finally complete their deal with setup man David Riske, who would be Plan B behind Turnbow, but there is no indication an established closer will be acquired.

Turnbow, 30, was a dominant closer for the Brewers in 2005, compiling a 1.74 ERA in 69 games and posting 39 saves, tying the club record at that time. But he fell apart after making the all-star team in '06 and forfeited the role to Cordero, acquired from Texas in the Carlos Lee trade.
Setting up for Cordero last season, Turnbow was erratic, posting a 2.19 ERA in April, 7.84 in May, 1.93 in June, 6.10 in July, 2.92 in August and 9.35 in September.

In a team-high 77 appearances, he posted a 4.63 ERA. But his ERA was inflated mostly by seven appearances in which he surrendered three or more runs.

Turnbow held opponents to a .183 batting average and ranked among the major-league leaders with 33 "holds" but got himself in trouble at times with walks, issuing 46 in 68 innings. He also allowed 12 of 14 inherited runners to score, which Yost called an "anomaly."

Because Turnbow can be stunningly wild at times, fans were quick to turn on him when he didn't throw strikes. But Yost believes he can be an effective reliever again.

"You look at Derrick's numbers, he's got a chance to be a dominant guy," Yost said. "They just don't see the ball good coming out of his hand.
"You break it down, how many bad outings did he have? Eight or 10? There's not many perfect people left in the world. For me to look for one in a closer, I'm not going to find him."

[pstrickert]

I simply think your perception of Turnbow's popularity is not shared by the majority of Brewers fans. That's all.

[Moriarty9]

although it appears to have turned into a Brewers discussion thread, just letting you know that the Moriarty9 roster set is still a work in progress. It likely would'be been done by now but I've been undergoing chemotherapy and its obviously taken a huge back seat.

[Klew1986]

Originally Posted by Moriarty9

although it appears to have turned into a Brewers discussion thread, just letting you know that the Moriarty9 roster set is still a work in progress. It likely would'be been done by now but I've been undergoing chemotherapy and its obviously taken a huge back seat.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes well and you can beat the illness.

[gregb7]

Originally Posted by Moriarty9

although it appears to have turned into a Brewers discussion thread, just letting you know that the Moriarty9 roster set is still a work in progress. It likely would'be been done by now but I've been undergoing chemotherapy and its obviously taken a huge back seat.

Moriarty,
Sorry for hijacking the thread. I guess pstrickert and i will just have to agree
to disagree, but I'm finished with that.
Very sorry to hear about your medical condition. No reason to
rush the mod, nothing is more important than your health. I wish you the
best, keep your spirits up. You're definitely in my prayers sir.

[Moriarty9]

Originally Posted by gregb7

Moriarty,
Sorry for hijacking the thread. I guess pstrickert and i will just have to agree
to disagree, but I'm finished with that.
Very sorry to hear about your medical condition. No reason to
rush the mod, nothing is more important than your health. I wish you the
best, keep your spirits up. You're definitely in my prayers sir.

Don't worry bout "hijacking" the thread or anything. Just want to let people know I am still working ont he set. ..sorta

[struggles_mightily]

As a Red Sox fan who spends inordinate amounts of time on SoSH, I'd offer these ratings for the 40 man roster. Maybe they're tilted towards stathead / hardcore fans, but I've tried to correct for that a bit.

Josh Beckett -- Extremely popular.
Craig Breslow -- Fair.
Clay Buchholz -- Very popular.
Bryan Corey -- Fair.
Manny Delcarmen -- Well known.
Devern Hansack -- Fair.
Craig Hansen -- Fair.
Kyle Jackson -- Unknown.
Jon Lester -- Popular.
Edgar Martinez -- Insignificant.
Daisuke Matsuzaka -- Extremely popular.
Hideki Okajima -- Very popular.
Jonathan Papelbon -- Very popular.
David Pauley -- Insignificant.
Curt Schilling -- Extremely popular, I would say. I guess he's a little boorish for some tastes, though.
Kyle Snyder -- Fair.
Julian Tavarez -- Well Known.
Mike Timlin -- Popular.
Tim Wakefield -- Very popular.

Dusty Brown -- Insignificant.
George Kottaras -- Insignificant.
Jason Varitek -- Extremely popular.
Chris Carter -- Insignificant.
Alex Cora -- Well known.
Argenis Diaz -- Unknown.
Mike Lowell -- Very popular.
Julio Lugo -- Well known.
Dustin Pedroia -- Very popular.
Kevin Youkilis -- Very popular.
Coco Crisp -- Well known.
JD Drew -- Well known.
Jacoby Ellsbury -- Popular.
Brandon Moss -- Insignificant.
Manny Ramirez -- Extremely popular. Amongst anyone even vaguely discerning and who doesn't read too much Shaughnessy, anyway.
Jonathan van Every -- Unknown.
David Ortiz -- Extremely popular.

I've tried to reflect the disappointing first years for Lugo and Drew, and the surge in popularity for younger guys like Ellsbury and Pedroia. Obviously, Drew is a vastly more accomplished player than Jacoby, but right at this moment the latter is probably more 'popular'.

Tavarez was a tough one, in that he's a 'cult' player who makes for some kind of cool stories, but he's extremely expendable as a player, and I don't think his being traded would effect ticket sales or anything.

I tried to avoid the 'unknown' label, as I think it should be reserved for guys in AA-ball or below, or AAA-ers with no hope of sniffing the majors. Jackson, Diaz and van Every all fit into one or more of those categories though.