OOTP 2008 Real Rosters discussion

[Erich Ingram]

Originally Posted by NomarHits400

Erich,

Thanks for the update- but just to clarify something above: It isn't just gold glover's whose ratings are diving- it's pretty much everyone in their late twenties. I just used those two guys as extreme examples to prove my point.

I had the same problem when editing Cubby's set. In it's initial iteration it was fine- but after re-importing several files (including player histories and the like) using Redsoxford's wonderful program, it started to crop up even though everything appeared the same.

Also, regarding players positional history- you can mass edit this using Redsoxford's program (if you didn't know already)- it's been a while since I did it, though. However, as I said above- somewhere in that mix the accelerated aging problem described above kicked in. If you ahve Markus' ear- have him check out page four of this thread and ask him if these kind of changes- see Jones and Rollins (which are typical in the league) are more aggressive than intended...Because right now, I know of no way to remedy this issue.

Yes I have used Redsoxfords program. In the next iteration of this file it is planned to have the draft history for every team back to the beginning of the draft with the only stipulation being that the players have to be in the game and that they will only be listed once in the draft.

Will need to figure out what is killing the defense that is very frustrating

[Klew1986]

Just wondering if anyone has tried lowering the aging and development modifiers to see if that helps cut down on players fading rapidly once they hit 30. If so, what did you set the modifiers as?

[bucketsndimes]

Originally Posted by Klew1986

Just wondering if anyone has tried lowering the aging and development modifiers to see if that helps cut down on players fading rapidly once they hit 30. If so, what did you set the modifiers as?

I lowered both to .995, I haven't gotten through enough games to see if it really works though.

[bucketsndimes]

Is there a reason most teams have $2mil in cash while others have 0 or $20mil+?

[Tony M]

Originally Posted by Erich Ingram

Yes I have used Redsoxfords program. In the next iteration of this file it is planned to have the draft history for every team back to the beginning of the draft with the only stipulation being that the players have to be in the game and that they will only be listed once in the draft.

Will need to figure out what is killing the defense that is very frustrating

Hmmm... I'll have to have a look at the code to see if there's anything going in out of kilter.

[NomarHits400]

Originally Posted by Klew1986

Just wondering if anyone has tried lowering the aging and development modifiers to see if that helps cut down on players fading rapidly once they hit 30. If so, what did you set the modifiers as?

Nope, doesn't seem to effect fielding at all- although it works well for hitting and pitching attributes.

[bucketsndimes]

I just noticed a problem with hitting ability declining.

One extreme example is Ryan Howard. After 4 seasons he had 198 home runs. All of a sudden he started to suck at the age of 32.

I had noticed he wasn't at the top of the home run leaders after two years and found him on the Phillies AA minor league team. He had hit 4 homers in the majors over 2 years and his ratings were awful.

There seems to be mor eplayers then there should be with the same problem.

[toadfreak7]

Maybe this has been mentioned before, but I don't like signing up to be the GM of a team, in this case Baltimore, and having guys already in the Waivers and DFA area. In fact, I've got two players with 0 days remaining in the DFA area so I have to put them somewhere, but I can't because they're also on waivers. So I have to release them, but they're so popular that my fan loyalty decreases.

Also, I have a player (John Parrish) that's in the DFA and waivers, but he's got no ratings.


Also, some FA pitchers have really good batting ratings.

[Erich Ingram]

Originally Posted by toadfreak7

Maybe this has been mentioned before, but I don't like signing up to be the GM of a team, in this case Baltimore, and having guys already in the Waivers and DFA area. In fact, I've got two players with 0 days remaining in the DFA area so I have to put them somewhere, but I can't because they're also on waivers. So I have to release them, but they're so popular that my fan loyalty decreases.

Also, I have a player (John Parrish) that's in the DFA and waivers, but he's got no ratings.


Also, some FA pitchers have really good batting ratings.

Well that is odd because when creating the files, I never use the waivers system and the AI is not allowed to make transactions. So I can't really speak to that issue right now.

As for players with no ratings, not sure why John Parrish is that way, I know that there are a few without ratings in the game that need to be fixed.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by bucketsndimes

I just noticed a problem with hitting ability declining.

One extreme example is Ryan Howard. After 4 seasons he had 198 home runs. All of a sudden he started to suck at the age of 32.

Most players suck and fall apart at that age or before. Avoiding catastrophic failure separates good players from Hall of Famers.

[pstrickert]

Isn't that one reason for going to the "juice"?

[toadfreak7]

Originally Posted by Erich Ingram

Well that is odd because when creating the files, I never use the waivers system and the AI is not allowed to make transactions. So I can't really speak to that issue right now.

As for players with no ratings, not sure why John Parrish is that way, I know that there are a few without ratings in the game that need to be fixed.

I don't know why it happens, but it does everytime. It's kinda unfair.

[westendcards]

Is there going to be a correction to the players that do not have loaded statistics. I have previously talked about the issues with the Arizona Diamonback players, but have since noticed there are a lot of players with incomplete stats. I am playing a game with the Phillies Minor League teams and Brennan King has no stats, Ron Calloway has partial stats, etc etc. I thought there was going to be an update / fix for this. Otherwise I love the roster set. I play out everygame so will only play one full season for all the teams so the issue with ratings dropping does not affect my play. I also make ratings adjustments manually as the season goes along.
Thanks

[jbergey22]

is the concept of this getting corrected dead?

[Raidergoo]

What needs corrected?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

What needs corrected?

The fielding ratings decline issue

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

The fielding ratings decline issue

Ratings decline as players age. Fielding goes rather early. There's no stats provided that players are not performing abnormally.

[NomarHits400]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Ratings decline as players age. Fielding goes rather early. There's no stats provided that players are not performing abnormally.

So that double negative in the last sentence was supposed to say what...exactly????...No proof has been shown????

[jbergey22]

Is this what you are looking for Raider?

Originally Posted by NomarHits400

Just bought the new version today- mostly for Erich's roster set. Looks fantastic- but I have a couple of things to offer initially- one specific- and one general.

Specifically, I noticed Brandon Wood of the Angels has no minor league stats- but in addition- his speed ratings are higher than a lot of guys much faster- possibly an oversight?

More generally, I have noticed this set has the same problem mine had- most notably, todays current major leaguers- especially those over 28 just absolutely seem to fall off of a cliff in just a few short years. Run a 5 year sim to see what I mean. I wouldn't mention it- but it's not just a few guys- there are dozens: Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee, Manny Ramirez, Albert Pujols , David Ortiz..It seems to effect guys in their late 20's the most. This can be modified to some degree using the aging modifiers- but I also noticed- and again, I had the same problem in my set- was that these players fielding ratings TOTALLY tank by the time these guys are in their early thirties- and this seems unaffected by changing the modifiers.

Can somebosy else sim 5 years in and see if they see the same thing? The younger guys like Caberera, Reyes and the like (guys in their mid-twenties)- seem to fare ok- though I should probably go another five years out- but the fielding ratings seems to be the most drastic. Mike Lowell at the age of 38 is a 1 (out of 100) in range, error, arm and DP ratings. There are DOZENS of guys in their mid thirties with fielding ratings that have completely crashed.

Something is amiss here.

Originally Posted by NomarHits400

Thanks for the reply Raidergoo- but I am going to disagree with your assertion that "most" players implode on the "other side of 30". Absolutely many may decline- but by implode, I am inferring (as I was also implying in my post) that these guys aren't even major league caliber any longer.

Aside from that- any aging alorithm that causes several gold glove caliber fielders to become so poor in the field by the time that they are 30-32 they are relegated to the bench or DH duty is suspect.

I would like to add that I don't see this type of behavior at all- or at least outside the norm- using default players- or even 2nd generation players in Erich's set. Just in today's MLB players.

Just try a 5 year sim and look at the carnage to players in the 28-33 year range- and pay special attention to the fielding ratings. I know there is a lot of attrition in baseball- and I understand that a lot of guys WILL flame out- but this extreme- and I think if you look closely you will agree.

Originally Posted by NomarHits400

I thought some visuals to show my point regarding this might be best. If those best suited to determine if this what they intended don't agree- I'll let it drop.

First, some context: These are just two examples from Erich's set, nothing has been changed except that ratings are shown here on a 1-100 scale to make the problem a little easier to see. There are dozens of others. In fact, it is an exception to find a guy in his late twenties who hasn't suffered a similar fate as these two guys. Andruw Jones and Jimmy Rollins. Both in their late 20's and considered elite fielders at their positions- as they were so rated in 2007. Both are in their late twenties in 2007. I am showing here both players (scouts off) in 2007, 2008, then finally in 2010 (when the AI will no longer play them on a daily basis). These are just their fielding ratings- their hitting attributes have taken quite a hit too, though as I said earlier- that can be edited successfully with the aging modifiers.

First Jones:

Originally Posted by NomarHits400

And now Rollins:

Originally Posted by Klew1986

There is definitely something wrong. I just simmed half a season (2007) and Jones dropped form 82 to 65 in CF rating and Rollins dropped from 79 to 73. That is just in half a season.

No wonder when I did test sims before, no one would sign Jones as a FA.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Is this what you are looking for Raider?

No.

These are ratings of a few people. Where are the stats?