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Old 11-08-2018, 02:58 PM   #1
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Bill James calls all MLB players replaceable

His tweet stating this has since been deleted, but here's what it said: If the players all retired tomorrow, we would replace them, the game would go on; in three years it would make no difference whatsoever. The players are NOT the game, any more than the beer vendors are.

I agree with him. The game is the game. Yes, MLB players are of the highest quality. But it is the game they play that we come to watch. I enjoy baseball on any level because of the game, not the players. The quality of play only adds or takes away from the enjoyment. The players don't make the game, they just make the game better. The game will exist when all of these players retire and move on.

It's discussed more in this article: MLBPA chief Tony Clark fires back after Red Sox consultant Bill James calls all players replaceable

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I agree with you & James. People will play a game no matter the talent. The NFL didn't die because Montana retired. The NBA didn't end cause Jordan retired. The NHL didn't end cause Gretzky retired. The PGA didn't end cause Palmer retired. Do I go on?
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I get his point but isnít he still a consultant and thus employee of the Red Sox?

I canít imagine that sentiment would go over too well with the front office and players.
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Hes not wrong.
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He alluded to the same thing in his 1988 Baseball Abstract and laid out his reasons why. A good article if you haven't read it.
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I get his point but isnít he still a consultant and thus employee of the Red Sox?

I canít imagine that sentiment would go over too well with the front office and players.
I agree 100%. It's, what I believe to be, a truth that has teeth and that can hurt feelings if one is disposed to have feelings hurt by simple logic. And, as a consultant, he probably should've checked the way he said it before saying it.
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Counter point...I agree the game is bigger than the players, but I believe the players are more than Mr. James is making out. The public does go to see the big names. I know the game, like life, goes on when it loses "celebrity" players, but people did and do flock in abundance to see Ruth, Dimaggio, mantle, Brett, Ryan, Reg-gie, Trout, Harper, etc.

If I'm losing something in Mr. James POV, correct me if I'm wrong. I am open minded to correction in opinion.

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If I'm losing something in Mr. James POV, correct me if I'm wrong. I am open minded to correction in opinion.
The point he was making wasn't that the players have zero value. It was that they don't have absolute value. James is a mathematician. The numbers are what he sees. Not the people & personalities behind them. Little sentiment. Cold logic. If the formula tells him something, he believes it.

Pujols was as valuable a player you could find in 2011. After he left St. Louis, the Cards still made the playoffs the next 4 seasons, including a WS. The Cards still were among the leaders in attendance. He was replaceable.
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Counter point...I agree the game is bigger than the players
I assume we all agree that with "the game" we mean the multi-billion dollar ball of money unstoppably rolling across the country and smashing anything in its path? Because the actual game would not continue for the love of the game. It would continue because there are ballparks seating medium-sized cities otherwise standing empty, TV time otherwise filled by reruns of Home Improvement, and Fortune 500 companies that would otherwise have to give it all to charity if they couldn't plaster anything with advertisement if the games just stopped now.

PS: I agree with Bill James.
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Counter point...I agree the game is bigger than the players, but I believe the players are more than Mr. James is making out. The public does go to see the big names. I know the game, like life, goes on when it loses "celebrity" players, but people did and do flock in abundance to see Ruth, Dimaggio, mantle, Brett, Ryan, Reg-gie, Trout, Harper, etc.

If I'm losing something in Mr. James POV, correct me if I'm wrong. I am open minded to correction in opinion.
This is true, but Ruth, DiMaggio, and Mantle have retired and died. Brett, Ryan, and Reggie have retired, and Trout and Harper will eventually retire...And the game will go on. Perhaps he didn't say it right, but that's what I took from it.

Or you could just quote the entire James Earl Jones monologue from "Field of Dreams". Baseball can and has endured lots of trying times and transitions, and will continue to do so.

The overreaction from the MLBPA, and the Boston Red Sox made me laugh my ass off. Seriously? You're equating what he said to actual replacement players, as in scabs? Really? C'mon guys, give your heads a collective shake.
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Major League Baseball has already been through a period when many of its players quickly exited the sport and replacements took the field: 1942-1945, It survived.
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Counter point...I agree the game is bigger than the players, but I believe the players are more than Mr. James is making out. The public does go to see the big names. I know the game, like life, goes on when it loses "celebrity" players, but people did and do flock in abundance to see Ruth, Dimaggio, mantle, Brett, Ryan, Reg-gie, Trout, Harper, etc.

If I'm losing something in Mr. James POV, correct me if I'm wrong. I am open minded to correction in opinion.
In three years, new stars would take the place of the old stars. Nearest parallel would be in 1946...most teams had a completely different roster than before the war.
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In three years, new stars would take the place of the old stars. Nearest parallel would be in 1946...most teams had a completely different roster than before the war.
Stole my thunder. That is absolutely correct. I don't know about the 3 year comment, but your point is still true. Same goes for football. You can remove every player tomorrow, within 3-5 years we'll have all new star players. Inside of a decade you won't notice a difference.
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