More Weekend Feedback

[ike121212]

Fun weekend playing around, and I know it's still a beta, so here my initial criticisms:

-Lack of auction search options is painful, really painful

-Future legends should be toned down or removed entirely. Some are rated so high it defies reason.

-No injuries + DH is encouraging some bad things, like carrying 15 pitchers.

-Anything less than bronze feels useless by the end of day 1. It makes casually opening packs feel bad fast.

-Once you're upgrading your team to silver cards, the repetition of cards on auction feels like there simply aren't enough options available, at least at some positions. When I look at other top teams, there's already a ton of duplication. Seems like you need more cards.

-Everyone putting their max bid in with 10 seconds left feels cheesy

-being forced to download new files, right as an auction is ending feels horrible

[nickwatic]

What's wrong with carrying 15 pitchers? There are some MLB teams that will probably consider this. We've gotten close with teams carrying 13 (to my knowledge I don't know one that carries more). And to your point on bidding in the last 10 seconds. That's just how auctions go in all games

[Airdrop01]

Originally Posted by nickwatic

What's wrong with carrying 15 pitchers? And to your point on bidding in the last 10 seconds. That's just how auctions go in all games

No. It’s not. Time gets extended in some.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by nickwatic

What's wrong with carrying 15 pitchers? There are some MLB teams that will probably consider this. We've gotten close with teams carrying 13 (to my knowledge I don't know one that carries more). And to your point on bidding in the last 10 seconds. That's just how auctions go in all games

15 pitchers, 9 players, 1 sub.....no team has ever considered this.

most games/auctions extend the duration when there's a bid

[mikezone13]

Interesting, I would've thought less pitchers given no injuries... 5 starters and 5-6 in the pen leaves lots of situational pinch hitting/running.

Guess it depends on how you want to play the game, a bit like real baseball.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by mikezone13

Interesting, I would've thought less pitchers given no injuries... 5 starters and 5-6 in the pen leaves lots of situational pinch hitting/running.

Guess it depends on how you want to play the game, a bit like real baseball.

It'll be interesting to see how people feel in a couple days. I think the leaders will either be using 'extreme' strategies or have stacked teams.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by mikezone13

Interesting, I would've thought less pitchers given no injuries... 5 starters and 5-6 in the pen leaves lots of situational pinch hitting/running.

Guess it depends on how you want to play the game, a bit like real baseball.

This. I have been considering going with 11 pitchers to get more offensive flexibility.

[Whoofe]

one suggestion I would have, as I think this would be nice feature to have, tho maybe it would require too much overhead to configure

it would be cool to receive an email (perhaps on a daily basis? perhaps weekly? or maybe every 20 games?) reporting the results and stats of the previous period, as well as the standings

this would be an "opt in" option of course, as I am sure there are many ppl who don't need the extra "spam" in their inboxes

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Orcin

This. I have been considering going with 11 pitchers to get more offensive flexibility.

I've been doing that for a while. Works since I have 5 good starters who can pitch deep into most games. When I was carrying 12 pitchers, the ai wasn't even using the 12th guy for weeks at a time anyway.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

I've been doing that for a while. Works since I have 5 good starters who can pitch deep into most games. When I was carrying 12 pitchers, the ai wasn't even using the 12th guy for weeks at a time anyway.

I think big bullpens means 3/4 starters on pitch counts, and then abusing L/R matchups and AI lineup decisions the rest of the way.

Hope the bullpen size point doesn't distract from my other points. Absence of key filters is a big deal, and I still feel the number of silver cards is lacking. Too many of the same guys popping up consistently in auctions, and on my opponents roster.

[bsuball41]

Is there any way we could get an option to submit a lineup change effective at some time in the future? Like let’s say you want to bring up a reliever and reserve an OF, but not until May 4 in the game and that happens to be at 3:30 AM in real life.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by ike121212

Hope the bullpen size point doesn't distract from my other points. Absence of key filters is a big deal, and I still feel the number of silver cards is lacking. Too many of the same guys popping up consistently in auctions, and on my opponents roster.

There are just under 3000 cards overall. With a couple thousand human players so far and climbing, obviously there are going to be a few duplicates.

I don't think we need more cards, since we want it to be at least theoretically possible for someone to collect all of them, or at least all of a certain type.

And no matter how many cards we have, there will be duplicates. It's unavoidable.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by ike121212

Too many of the same guys popping up consistently in auctions, and on my opponents roster.

I do see a lot of the same cards. it seems. I get a Joey Gallo in every pack. Fortunately, other people seem to like the bum.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

There are just under 3000 cards overall. With a couple thousand human players so far and climbing, obviously there are going to be a few duplicates.

I don't think we need more cards, since we want it to be at least theoretically possible for someone to collect all of them, or at least all of a certain type.

And no matter how many cards we have, there will be duplicates. It's unavoidable.

In my experience, in the silver range, where most players are shopping right now, there's a lack of options at some positions.

3000 is not an impressive number. More so when you consider that low bronze and below are effectively useless. I hope you haven't miscalculated how quickly everyone is going to incrementally improve their roster to high silver and above, even with no cash shop. How many of those 3000 are 75+?

In my first 3 series, I'm going to face Carlos Carrasco 3 times. I'm going to face him on back to back days. He's a platinum card. With no cash shop, he should be extremely rare.

[sansterre]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

There are just under 3000 cards overall. With a couple thousand human players so far and climbing, obviously there are going to be a few duplicates.

I don't think we need more cards, since we want it to be at least theoretically possible for someone to collect all of them, or at least all of a certain type.

And no matter how many cards we have, there will be duplicates. It's unavoidable.

It's sort of like the Birthday Paradox, where given a group of 23 people, there's a 50% chance that at least one pair of people have the same birthday. It sounds like an unlikely coincidence, but it's actually as likely as not to happen. Open thousands of packs sampling from a few thousand players and you'll get some players who rarely seem to occur, and others who seem to occur all the damned time. Interestingly, the fact that the data will spike for certain cards is proof that the system is actually random, as random number patterns will show that kind of variation. Sort of like 200 coin flips are more likely than not to have at least one string of six heads or six tails.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by ike121212

3000 is not an impressive number.

Um. I beg to differ.

You will always have duplicates, even if we had 10,000 cards. I think 3000 is a good number for both variety and the possibility for collectors to actually complete the collection.

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by sansterre

It's sort of like the Birthday Paradox, where given a group of 23 people, there's a 50% chance that at least one pair of people have the same birthday. It sounds like an unlikely coincidence, but it's actually as likely as not to happen. Open thousands of packs sampling from a few thousand players and you'll get some players who rarely seem to occur, and others who seem to occur all the damned time. Interestingly, the fact that the data will spike for certain cards is proof that the system is actually random, as random number patterns will show that kind of variation. Sort of like 200 coin flips are more likely than not to have at least one string of six heads or six tails.

There's a bunch of 75+ cards that already exist in my league 3-4 times. Not a huge problem, but if that grows to 6-8 in the next week or two, then I'd say it's a problem.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by ike121212

In my experience, in the silver range, where most players are shopping right now, there's a lack of options at some positions.

3000 is not an impressive number. More so when you consider that low bronze and below are effectively useless. I hope you haven't miscalculated how quickly everyone is going to incrementally improve their roster to high silver and above, even with no cash shop. How many of those 3000 are 75+?

In my first 3 series, I'm going to face Carlos Carrasco 3 times. I'm going to face him on back to back days. He's a platinum card. With no cash shop, he should be extremely rare.

Actually the majority are probably 75+, at least of the historical players. There are a ton of high level historical guys no one's pulled at all yet, from what I can see.

[sansterre]

Originally Posted by ike121212

There's a bunch of 75+ cards that already exist in my league 3-4 times. Not a huge problem, but if that grows to 6-8 in the next week or two, then I'd say it's a problem.

Then it sounds like you don't want random, you want controlled and even, ie, every time a pack is generated it looks at the number of each card in the PT universe and adjusts odds accordingly to keep the balance level.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but I sure as heck wouldn't want to code it

[ike121212]

Originally Posted by sansterre

Then it sounds like you don't want random, you want controlled and even, ie, every time a pack is generated it looks at the number of each card in the PT universe and adjusts odds accordingly to keep the balance level.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but I sure as heck wouldn't want to code it

I'm just saying that there's a level of duplication where it's a problem. Maybe it won't get there, but I see warning signs.