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Old 08-23-2017, 09:02 AM   #81
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Pretty decent return for the Cavs considering the position they were in. But it looks even more like 2017 or bust for the Cavs. They could be left with Kevin Love and some 19 year old kid for the 18-19 season.

I was hoping the Cavs would end up with Melo as that was really the only scenario I saw that might retain LBJ in Cleveland. I suppose they could still flip the Nets pick into a Melo trade. We'll see.
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Old 08-23-2017, 10:41 AM   #83
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That's just wrong.

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Old 08-27-2017, 01:05 AM   #84
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The trade very well may not happen at all.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:46 AM   #85
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The trade very well may not happen at all.

Well, the Cavs are just getting another pick in the deal, 2nd rounder...
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If I was either GM, I wouldn't deal with the other for the rest of my career.

If Boston wasn't completely honest about IT's hip, then I wouldn't trust them again.

If Boston did tell the whole truth, I wouldn't ever do biz with Cleveland, who extorted an extra asset from me after knowingly purchasing damaged goods. They just gave the rest of the NBA a reason to doubt Ainge's integrity. You don't wreck my rep like that.
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If I was either GM, I wouldn't deal with the other for the rest of my career.

If Boston wasn't completely honest about IT's hip, then I wouldn't trust them again.

If Boston did tell the whole truth, I wouldn't ever do biz with Cleveland, who extorted an extra asset from me after knowingly purchasing damaged goods. They just gave the rest of the NBA a reason to doubt Ainge's integrity. You don't wreck my rep like that.
There may end up being more to the story, but it sure seems like this is Cleveland's screw-up, and Ainge being very understanding (or simply wanting Irving enough to not let a 2nd-rounder get in the way). I mean, IT's injury - in-general - was well-known to the Cavs and everyone else, and the prospect of the post-agreement (but pre-finalization) physical was a given, so there's not much that Ainge could've withheld or misrepresented.

Karma would be for the Nets to win 45 games and their pick fall to #20...
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45 wins could get them the #3 seed in the east.
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45 wins could get them the #3 seed in the east.
A good YMCA team could make a run for the 8th spot.
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The Thunder has pushed all their chips to the center of the table. What makes these trades so good are they are dumping bad contracts and if this entire thing does not work, Paul leaves, Westbrook leaves, and Anthony leaves the the only bad contract they have left is Adams and so they can rebuild immediately.
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They can rebuild but.......how many FA's will want to settle in OKC? Having the money & space is only one criteria. You gotta have the environment as well.
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They can rebuild but.......how many FA's will want to settle in OKC? Having the money & space is only one criteria. You gotta have the environment as well.
They built before through the draft and they can do it again. And to easier to do when you can bottom out and not have a lot of salary on the books.

Adams, Olidipo and Kanter were all three mistakes at their saleries and they managed to get rid of two of them and get great players in return. Even if it’s short term success they have saved 150 million in cap room.

I think it’s one of the better GM moves in a while to gamble on short term success while at the same time correctly mistakes and if it all falls apart in the future then you can go back and rebuild.

Or if by some small chance they like playing together and want to stay you now have the money to pay Westbrook and Paul and Anthony has two years left.

It’s good front office management where either option is there for you. A chance for a deep playoff run or if it does not happen then you have the books almost completely clear and all your draft picks.
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They built before through the draft and they can do it again. And to easier to do when you can bottom out and not have a lot of salary on the books.

Adams, Olidipo and Kanter were all three mistakes at their saleries and they managed to get rid of two of them and get great players in return. Even if it’s short term success they have saved 150 million in cap room.

I think it’s one of the better GM moves in a while to gamble on short term success while at the same time correctly mistakes and if it all falls apart in the future then you can go back and rebuild.

Or if by some small chance they like playing together and want to stay you now have the money to pay Westbrook and Paul and Anthony has two years left.

It’s good front office management where either option is there for you. A chance for a deep playoff run or if it does not happen then you have the books almost completely clear and all your draft picks.
You don't dump bad contracts for picks. You dump them for free agency. The contracts weren't going to keep them from rebuilding thru the draft.
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You don't dump bad contracts for picks. You dump them for free agency. The contracts weren't going to keep them from rebuilding thru the draft.
Bad contracts can impact your ability to sign picks after their rookie scale runs out.
Kanters contract was not long enough to do that but Oladipos was.
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Bad contracts can impact your ability to sign picks after their rookie scale runs out.
Kanters contract was not long enough to do that but Oladipos was.
I don't think one contract would impair the ability to sign a superstar rook to his 2nd contract in, what, 2022? Besides, I just saw Oladipo was signed til 2020. If this year's pick turns out to be a franchise player, his contract would come up in 2021. Rook deals are for 4 yrs right?
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Bulls grant Wade his desired buyout (a bit surprising, but not that surprising). Heatles reunion anyone? Not 1, not 2, not 3...ok, maybe just 1.
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Maybe the playoffs will be a little better. But the league is getting so top heavy, I don't see how a fan would be interested in the season unless one of the lead dogs was coming into town. There are only 10 teams at best with a realistic chance to win a round in the playoffs. Maybe 6-7 who can make the Conf finals an attainable goal.
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I don't think one contract would impair the ability to sign a superstar rook to his 2nd contract in, what, 2022? Besides, I just saw Oladipo was signed til 2020. If this year's pick turns out to be a franchise player, his contract would come up in 2021. Rook deals are for 4 yrs right?
Your right. I thought Oladipo played his final rookie scale year last year and was set to begin a five year deal this year.

Still even though OKC may not be a premier FA destination having cap space can allow you to be more flexible and take some shots on matching contacts on players coming off rookie scale deals or mid level FAs.
And cap space has gotten tight again. We saw it this offseason when the cap came in at almost 4.5 million below expected because so few playoff games were played.

Next summer will be even worse because some teams have spent themselves into a pretzel. And they will be that way for several years. Just having money open sometimes makes you FA market.

And there is also the idea of just not spending the money. The Thunder are not hurting for money but money not spent may possibly mean they are willing to go into the luxery tax down the road.

And finally I don’t think they gave up all that great of players. Sabonis I was excited about but as the season wore on his shot making got worse and he is not a good defender or rebounder for his size.
I am also starting to think Gonzaga basketball is a smoke and mirrors show. I cannot think of one modern player from the school who has had a meaningful NBA career.
John Stockton not being “modern”
Ronny Turiaf may be the best modern product from the school until we see how Olynyk turns out.

Kanter is great around the basket but a siege on defense and could not play against first line players as a result. He was burnt over and over and over.

Oladio is worth about 55% of what he is being paid.

And McDermont is a poor mans JJ Reddick with a lower basketball IQ and worse 3 pt shot.
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Your right. I thought Oladipo played his final rookie scale year last year and was set to begin a five year deal this year.

Still even though OKC may not be a premier FA destination having cap space can allow you to be more flexible and take some shots on matching contacts on players coming off rookie scale deals or mid level FAs.
And cap space has gotten tight again. We saw it this offseason when the cap came in at almost 4.5 million below expected because so few playoff games were played.

Next summer will be even worse because some teams have spent themselves into a pretzel. And they will be that way for several years. Just having money open sometimes makes you FA market.

And there is also the idea of just not spending the money. The Thunder are not hurting for money but money not spent may possibly mean they are willing to go into the luxery tax down the road.

And finally I don’t think they gave up all that great of players. Sabonis I was excited about but as the season wore on his shot making got worse and he is not a good defender or rebounder for his size.
I am also starting to think Gonzaga basketball is a smoke and mirrors show. I cannot think of one modern player from the school who has had a meaningful NBA career.
John Stockton not being “modern”
Ronny Turiaf may be the best modern product from the school until we see how Olynyk turns out.

Kanter is great around the basket but a siege on defense and could not play against first line players as a result. He was burnt over and over and over.

Oladio is worth about 55% of what he is being paid.

And McDermont is a poor mans JJ Reddick with a lower basketball IQ and worse 3 pt shot.
I have no quarrel w/anything OKC did. I don't think any team w/Melo & Brook would ever win a title unless both undergo a change in attitude. My belief is if OKC made these moves in order to become movers & shakers in the FA field they are likely to be disappointed. If their intent is to select the next Durant/Brook/Harden trio and have the money to fill the gaps w/quality vets, then I say "God speed". I think we are all in agreement that the Thunder roster was trash.
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