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Old 07-12-2019, 08:35 PM   #41
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I came to that conclusion with very exact math.
It might be ...55% or so. You don't get to show me I'm wrong, you have to demonstrate you're right.

I suggested the diamond pack for that reason and if a player doesn't want a whole lot of cards that are 59 & below ...which is what a number of other posters said, then you are sure you're getting the one diamond in the diamond pack & it is as far as diamonds are concerned a better value. If you buy 5 diamond packs you have 5 diamonds and 25 other cards. If you buy 100 regular packs you have 3, maybee 4 diamonds on average and nearly 600 other cards.

Really, it was a pretty simple exercise in math I did on paper, I'm not going to share the whole thing here right now when you can easily prove my point wrong with anything to show you get more diamonds from regular packs than diamond packs spending the same PP.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:32 PM   #42
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1 diamond pack = -15,580 expected value



1 regular park = -950 expected value


go ahead and buy 5 diamond packs


and 100 regular packs


and tell us the results.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:59 PM   #43
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Let's say you spend 100K PP on packs. That gives you five diamond packs and 100 standard packs.

The expected results per pack (guaranteed card excluded) is:

1 Bronze
.25 Silver
.1 Gold
.033 Diamond
.005 Perfect
3.612 Iron

So, five diamond packs gives you:
18.06 Iron
5 Bronze
1.25 Silver
.5 Gold
5.165 Diamond
.025 Perfect

And 100 standard packs gives you:
361.2 Iron
200 Bronze
25 Silver
10 Gold
3.3 Diamond
.5 Perfect

So with diamond packs you get 1.865 more diamond cards, but 343.14 more iron, 195 more bronze, 23.75 more silver, 9.5 more gold, and .475 more perfect with standard packs. I'd say the additional non-diamond cards are easily more valuable than less than two diamonds.
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you also get 95 more lottery tickets if you buy 100 regular packs instead of 5 diamond packs.
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he clearly isnt interested in actual probability. half his threads are silly trolling
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you also get 95 more lottery tickets if you buy 100 regular packs instead of 5 diamond packs.
Bingo.

This is an easy choice. I can see someone gambling 20K on a diamond pack when a 20K player would not really improve their team much. Otherwise, 20 standard packs or the AH or save the points are all better choices.
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That's funny how the whole tone or flow of this thread changed from I want more diamonds & perfects to the value of the other cards. What is it, lecture me day?
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Without the guaranteed bronze, essentially you get less bronze and slightly more of everything else but according to the same odds, and that's basically the point. You'd end up mostly with more iron...bronze cards might be worth less than a random card but not worth less than a random pack card.
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Raw calculations ignore the value of someone's time. If you spend $1000 you can open 87 diamond packs and have 87 diamonds and less than 500 other cards. If you buy regular packs you will perhaps have more diamonds and even a few perfects, but have to deal with over 10 thousand other cards....
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Raw calculations ignore the value of someone's time. If you spend $1000 you can open 87 diamond packs and have 87 diamonds and less than 500 other cards. If you buy regular packs you will perhaps have more diamonds and even a few perfects, but have to deal with over 10 thousand other cards....

Autosell at 80 or less. but that is also wasting PP as there are many valuable silvers and now with collections even some bronze are going for 500+ other than lavalierre.



if you are concerned about your time you should only buy cards on the AH.



if you like lighting money on fire, go ahead and buy diamond packs.


i got another diamond pack last night for completing "balls in play"


the diamond I received was Carlos Correa. immediate quicksell. 4 K.


thats the 7th low LIVE diamond out of 8 reward diamond packs in the last week.
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Let's say you spend 100K PP on packs. That gives you five diamond packs and 100 standard packs.

The expected results per pack (guaranteed card excluded) is:

1 Bronze
.25 Silver
.1 Gold
.033 Diamond
.005 Perfect
3.612 Iron

So, five diamond packs gives you:
18.06 Iron
5 Bronze
1.25 Silver
.5 Gold
5.165 Diamond
.025 Perfect

And 100 standard packs gives you:
361.2 Iron
200 Bronze
25 Silver
10 Gold
3.3 Diamond
.5 Perfect

So with diamond packs you get 1.865 more diamond cards, but 343.14 more iron, 195 more bronze, 23.75 more silver, 9.5 more gold, and .475 more perfect with standard packs. I'd say the additional non-diamond cards are easily more valuable than less than two diamonds.
This is essentially what I laid out on paper. A good deal of it is up to us when it comes to the value of the cards as well. A lot of different characters playing, they're bound to disagree.


The other cards should make up for less diamonds esp. with a better chance at a perfect...Then again among even more packs we're talking more than just about 2 more diamonds with a guaranteed diamond in a pack. 5165 diamonds to 3300 diamonds. It's up to you...they're an option (diamond packs) when they go on sale if you're tired of losing the lottery that is non-guaranteed cards in packs.
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Raw calculations ignore the value of someone's time. If you spend $1000 you can open 87 diamond packs and have 87 diamonds and less than 500 other cards. If you buy regular packs you will perhaps have more diamonds and even a few perfects, but have to deal with over 10 thousand other cards....

if you spent $1000 and opened 87 diamond packs



and then spent $1000 dollars and opened 1000 packs


and quicksold at 70 or lower on both


999 times out of 1000 you will do better on the 1000 packs. because of the increased odds on getting 100 cards.
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if you spent $1000 and opened 87 diamond packs



and then spent $1000 dollars and opened 1000 packs


and quicksold at 70 or lower on both


999 times out of 1000 you will do better on the 1000 packs. because of the increased odds on getting 100 cards.
1750 standard packs ($1000 = 1,750,000 PP)
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1750 standard packs ($1000 = 1,750,000 PP)

true


i still say you would do better opening 1000 packs compared to 87 packs.


you would have to leg it out. i.e. sell every card on the AH which would be a pain. so its not practical...
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you would have to leg it out. i.e. sell every card on the AH which would be a pain. so its not practical...

Or don't. If one is willing to put $1,000 into the game, one probably couldn't care less about selling cards for pennies. Heck, if I were the one, I would just pay whoever $20 to help me sell the cards, easy. And if I care about collections, I would complete them before doing the $20 hire.

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