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Old 06-19-2018, 05:34 PM   #81
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To me it was like a player coming out of the penalty box in hockey, you have to know he is coming and be prepared to respond.
There's a difference. In hockey players know when the time is up, he's coming out. In a soccer match there is a reasonable expectation from the referee to not let something like that happen. So Poland was taken by surprise.

Many of these players had their backs turned. The Polish player that cleared it did so thinking all of his opponents were in front of him. What was he supposed to do? Turn and check first? That should not have happened. That said, I still think Senegal outplayed Poland most of the game.
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:39 PM   #82
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Who is Salah even?

Fun fact: between the Euro 2016 finale and the Uruguay game on the second day of this tournament, I saw zero minutes of soccer.
Salah played really well in the EPL and brought Liverpool to the Champions League final. Some people thought he was going to be crowned as the next megastar beside Neymar, Ronaldo and Messi.

And yeah, after that own goal Egypt collapsed. messy defending on those last two russia goals
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Old 06-19-2018, 06:28 PM   #83
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Salah is probably a top 5 footballer at the moment and has broken through into super popularity in England despite being a devout Muslim and in Liverpool which despite some progressive movement is still a blue collar working class overwhelmingly white and Protestant city.

That he can transcend that is a testament to the power of sport.
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:49 PM   #84
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There's a difference. In hockey players know when the time is up, he's coming out. In a soccer match there is a reasonable expectation from the referee to not let something like that happen. So Poland was taken by surprise.

Many of these players had their backs turned. The Polish player that cleared it did so thinking all of his opponents were in front of him. What was he supposed to do? Turn and check first? That should not have happened. That said, I still think Senegal outplayed Poland most of the game.
Again, not a huge soccer watcher. If one player was going off does it matter if he stayed or the other player came into the game? Either way there was an opposing player that was not in front of Poland that they did not take into account. Either way there were 10 in front and 1 (of 2) behind. Is there an etiquette I am missing?
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Again, not a huge soccer watcher. If one player was going off does it matter if he stayed or the other player came into the game? Either way there was an opposing player that was not in front of Poland that they did not take into account. Either way there were 10 in front and 1 (of 2) behind. Is there an etiquette I am missing?
Yes. They don't typically let someone on to the field in those situations. It's usually done during harmless play, like any stoppage. Also keep in mind there is a difference between being on the field and running in from the sidelines.
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Does anyone know of a quick way to see how many/what percentage of goals have been scored on set pieces?
My search results are all articles that do not give the exact numbers.
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Old 06-19-2018, 10:53 PM   #87
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Trippier looked good tho
He did.

If I'm Southgate, I would go 4-3-3:

Rashford - Kane - Vardy
Alli - Dier - Henderson
Rose - Cahill - Stones - Trippier

(Which means England is basically Spurs, and we all know what Tony Adams thinks about that...)
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Does anyone know of a quick way to see how many/what percentage of goals have been scored on set pieces?
My search results are all articles that do not give the exact numbers.
Direct from free kicks: 4 : Golovin, Ronaldo, Kolorov, Quintero

From FK: 2 : Gimenez, Bouhaddouz (OG)

From Corner: 5 : Kane x2, Etebo (OG), Zuber, Osaka

(Penalties: 8 : Salah, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Jedinak, Modric, Granqvist, Sassi, Kagawa)

Total Goals: 42

My verdict: still a small sample size, but 11/42 is 26.19%, not abnormal in the slightest.

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So a penalty is not a set piece ...?

Besides: Cristianoooo Ronaldoooo ...! (sings badly)
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Direct from free kicks: 4 : Golovin, Ronaldo, Kolorov, Quintero

From FK: 2 : Gimenez, Bouhaddouz (OG)

From Corner: 5 : Kane x2, Etebo (OG), Zuber, Osaka

(Penalties: 8 : Salah, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Jedinak, Modric, Granqvist, Sassi, Kagawa)

Total Goals: 42

My verdict: still a small sample size, but 11/42 is 26.19%, not abnormal in the slightest.
Thank you, I appreciate you putting that together.
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Direct from free kicks: 4 : Golovin, Ronaldo, Kolorov, Quintero

From FK: 2 : Gimenez, Bouhaddouz (OG)

From Corner: 5 : Kane x2, Etebo (OG), Zuber, Osaka

(Penalties: 8 : Salah, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Jedinak, Modric, Granqvist, Sassi, Kagawa)

Total Goals: 42

My verdict: still a small sample size, but 11/42 is 26.19%, not abnormal in the slightest.
If you add penalty shots it's 19/42?
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Are penalty shots normally considered set pieces? I would think of them that way.
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The right call but that was brutal for Iran. They are responding impressively so far.
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Maybe it is just me, but this is a really defensive minded world cup. Loads of "smaller" teams defending really well, making it hard for the "favorites" and "dark horses". Can make for relatively tense games tho.
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Are penalty shots normally considered set pieces? I would think of them that way.
I assumed they were. When you asked the question I automatically assumed you meant dead ball goals vs live play goals. So yeah, almost 50% of the goals so far have been scored from a set piece or dead ball scenario.

That said, it isn't all that unusual. It is a bit on the high end, but the low end is usually over 25% if I'm not mistaken.
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i hope Portugal gets knocked out sooner rather than later

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The right call but that was brutal for Iran. They are responding impressively so far.
Spain would be in trouble had Iran pulled off a tie.
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Spain would be in trouble had Iran pulled off a tie.
Eh, they still would have been guaranteed to advance with any sort of W over Morocco unless Portugal and Iran would have gone completely crazy with a 4-4 or higher draw.

...if my math is right.
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So a penalty is not a set piece ...?

Besides: Cristianoooo Ronaldoooo ...! (sings badly)
But they aren't.
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If you add penalty shots it's 19/42?
Higher penalties are due to VAR, because it has only been used to add 4 additional penalties upon review and not overturn any close calls that were originally called penalties.
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Are penalty shots normally considered set pieces? I would think of them that way.
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Maybe it is just me, but this is a really defensive minded world cup. Loads of "smaller" teams defending really well, making it hard for the "favorites" and "dark horses". Can make for relatively tense games tho.
World Cup typically is defensive-minded. Hence the "high frequency and importance" of set-pieces.

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The right call but that was brutal for Iran. They are responding impressively so far.
The TV cameras missed, but the assistant referee correctly flagged.
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