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Old 06-14-2018, 12:06 AM   #1
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The New York Mets

Why are the Mets ratings in this game so ridiculously off compared to their real life counterparts? Michael Conforto is a 78/80 in this game... Seriously? Not only has he been absolute garbage this season, but he has never even remotely played close to the level of a 78, or even that of a 60 to be honest. Jacob deGrom is and has been their best pitcher, but he's a measly 65ish compared to Noah Syndergaard's 80/80 rating (LMFAO). Up and down the lineup their players are dramatically overrated as well. I guess there's a fellow Mets fan working on the rosters for this game I see....
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WARDS

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Kind of like DORKS. Check out The Game’s signature for that one. They’re both real, and they’re ruining baseball.

Joking aside, and probably more useful in response, OOTP is a computer game, not a real life simulation.......ratings are based on WARDS (this year I think the Ebola like variation/abomination known as “ZIPS”), not real baseball, not scouting and definitely not a crystal ball. If it were, then there would be no need to sell it,the Royals would have never won the Series or even come close, and better, the devs could just move to Vegas and cash in on the money line day after day after day, baybee!
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It's unfortunate that we don't get advance information on the results of a season before they actually happen that we could use for the game's ratings.

Maybe you can help arrange that for us in the future? Until then we'll have to keep on depending on projections which, shockingly, will be wrong sometimes.
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And just as an aside, I certainly don't get picking on Conforto.

He's one of the best young players in baseball and hit .279/.384/.555 with 27 HR's in 373 ab's in his age 24 season last year. To think he is some sort of scrub because he's in a bit of a slump over a couple months this year, after coming back from a pretty serious injury, seems pretty far off to me.

And if you want to use the eye test rather than stats, in my opinion he has one of the most beautiful swings in baseball. When he's on the guy just crushes the ball.

Going forward he's far, far more likely to be the guy we saw last year than the one we're seeing right now.

It's tough to be a Mets fan right now for sure, but because the team is slumping badly even while dealing with a ton of injuries to key players it doesn't make much sense to overreact and act like they somehow have the worst players in the league. Their players are actually pretty good if they could just get them on the field at the same time once or twice. Without the injuries you're likely to have seen a much different level of performance from the Mets in my opinion(and in ZIPS and OOTP's opinion's as well).
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Wonder what people are saying about Goldie? lol
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Conforto has put together a borderline, HoF career in my sim.
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Conforto has put together a borderline, HoF career in my sim.
Hey look, he sucked in 2018 in the game, too!

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WARDS

WAR Derangement Syndrome.

Kind of like DORKS. Check out The Game’s signature for that one. They’re both real, and they’re ruining baseball.

Joking aside, and probably more useful in response, OOTP is a computer game, not a real life simulation.......ratings are based on WARDS (this year I think the Ebola like variation/abomination known as “ZIPS”), not real baseball, not scouting and definitely not a crystal ball. If it were, then there would be no need to sell it,the Royals would have never won the Series or even come close, and better, the devs could just move to Vegas and cash in on the money line day after day after day, baybee!
That was pretty cringeworthy to read with the WARDS stuff. Yikes.

And yeah as others said, Conforto was pretty stellar last year with a 939 OPS/146 wRC+. A guy who can hit like that and be an above average corner OF defender or average CF is pretty valuable.

How many times have you played OOTP and had a highly rated player perform poorly? That's essentially what's happening. Happens in the game, and happens in real life.
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Conforto has put together a borderline, HoF career in my sim.
Doesn't have the hits or homeruns to get in for me to vote him in. LOL
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The Mets have "parts or elements" but not a rounded team. Who is a Centerfielder ? Who is at Firstbase ? Todd Fraizer was signed to fill a gap at 3B. Grandy is filling a gap in OF .

Then the Pitching ? They gave away Matt Harvey for an injury prone Catcher (that has played well to date ) . The Mets have depth at SP but little in the pen .

Comforto is a young player and the pressure of playing in NY is different than in most of MLB cities .
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It's unfortunate that we don't get advance information on the results of a season before they actually happen that we could use for the game's ratings.

Maybe you can help arrange that for us in the future? Until then we'll have to keep on depending on projections which, shockingly, will be wrong sometimes.
What's that thing they say in financial investments? "Past Performance Is No Guarantee of Future Results?"

Well, maybe OOTPB should come with this warning: "Future Performance Is No Guarantee of Future [MLB Simulation] Results."
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Of course you guys know I have to chime in on this thread.
The METS are so disappointing that it's very hard to watch any of their games right now.
Jacob deGrom, Syndergaard are having good years with Jacob having a contract type year.
But the lineup has not been able to score any runs for the last month and the bullpen just blows games late.
Mickey Calloway is still learning the ropes for this team and he is pushing every button he can.
Unfortunately it's always the wrong one.
The injuries have piled up as well, so you can't win many games when your players are on the DL.
I'm going to put the blame on sandy Alderson, for not being able to read the right talent.
Maybe he needs to download a copy of OOTP and get REAL scouting reports!
Trust me, even doing my real time season and dynasty is tough due to the real life Mets not doing well.
One day we will get back there, but it looks like it will not be this day.
Anyway...LETS GO METS!
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It's unfortunate that we don't get advance information on the results of a season before they actually happen that we could use for the game's ratings.

Maybe you can help arrange that for us in the future? Until then we'll have to keep on depending on projections which, shockingly, will be wrong sometimes.
I was under the impression that you guys were constantly updating the ratings based on current season statistics? If that's not the case then I'll apologize. As for Conforto, although yes he had a good year last year, was it really a year worth of being one of the best players in this year's game..?
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wow, i thought this was mostly a joke, but it's a serious thread?

you have a much better 'problem' than most with their home town team, lol. usually people think their players should be better.

confortio's young and uncertain. they were optimistic about him. it took 2.5 years of great production for JD martinez to get his ratings bumped up from junk. as it should be, for that matter. he made a major change to his swing/strategy and his previous crappy numbers did not represent him accurately anymore... easy to see now... could be a fluke until you get ~2seasons or more in after that change.

most of what you are upset about comes down to opinion. maybe harvey should be rated so well, but again their is always a lag between realtiy and ratings in games. maybe his rep and injuries are excuses for his problems... before that he was most certainly phenomenol.

it won't be all spot on, but most of it is spot on enough for a video game, and they most defintiely do continiously work and improve on it.

do what i did years ago.. edit jd martinez to be a 30-40hr guy that strikes out 150-200 times a year with a good BA. you know your home team better for obvious reasons... if not emotionally biased you can easily fix things.
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I was under the impression that you guys were constantly updating the ratings based on current season statistics? If that's not the case then I'll apologize. As for Conforto, although yes he had a good year last year, was it really a year worth of being one of the best players in this year's game..?
We don't typically update the ratings for MLB players as the year goes on to any comprehensive degree. Occasionally we'll update them a little here and there to reflect what's going on, but it's a bit more hit or miss than anything and we're always very careful to not go to extremes based on a few weeks or a few months of performances. Which is why we wait until the end of the year to do any major changes to the ratings, or at least until we release the mod with the trade deadline roster updates.

For a guy like Conforto, a slow start while he's coming back from an injury isn't enough to invalidate what he's done in the past.

At that though, I wouldn't say he's particularly egregiously highly ranked. Just on the overall ratings he's ranked around 15-20 among batters, just barely ahead of guys like Logan Forsyth and Willson Contreras.

As to whether his past performance justifies his rating, it's opinional and your mileage may vary. ZIPS liked him a lot though, which is where the high rating comes from. And last year was a pretty fantastic year. It's pretty reasonable to expect a guy who did that at age 24, with Conforto's premium track record of draft position and prospect rankings as well will be able to keep that sort of a talent level or even improve on it a bit. The injury threw him off pretty badly this year it seems, but even now he's starting to heat up again a bit.

So maybe a bit high, but given his age, his talent level and his past performance, not too far off either. You could certainly argue he should be a bit lower, but that's true of a lot of the guys in the set. We're never going to be able to get ratings that people can agree on 100%, given the differences in opinion from one person to the next.
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He was a beast last year. He deserves that rating.

Color me shocked though if he has 4 seasons of 40+ HRs by the time his career is over. 2 of which in Citifield. That might be a bit much.
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It's unfortunate that we don't get advance information on the results of a season before they actually happen that we could use for the game's ratings.

Maybe you can help arrange that for us in the future? Until then we'll have to keep on depending on projections which, shockingly, will be wrong sometimes.
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Of course you guys know I have to chime in on this thread.
The METS are so disappointing that it's very hard to watch any of their games right now.
Jacob deGrom, Syndergaard are having good years with Jacob having a contract type year.
But the lineup has not been able to score any runs for the last month and the bullpen just blows games late.
Mickey Calloway is still learning the ropes for this team and he is pushing every button he can.
Unfortunately it's always the wrong one.
The injuries have piled up as well, so you can't win many games when your players are on the DL.
I'm going to put the blame on sandy Alderson, for not being able to read the right talent.
Maybe he needs to download a copy of OOTP and get REAL scouting reports!
Trust me, even doing my real time season and dynasty is tough due to the real life Mets not doing well.
One day we will get back there, but it looks like it will not be this day.
Anyway...LETS GO METS!
I'll put the blame on the owners. For being cheap, meddling pieces of absolute garbage.
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And I suppose it's the roster team's fault for not foreseeing Seth Lugo as being one of the top bullpen weapons in baseball, consistently pinging 96-97 MPH with a great curveball after floundering as a starter in the past?
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