Home | Webstore
Latest News: Update OOTP 19.5 is online - OOTP 19 Available! - MLB Manager 2018 Available Now - FHM 4 Available

OOTP Baseball 19 is Available Now!

  

Go Back   OOTP Developments Forums > Out of the Park Developments > Talk Sports

Talk Sports Discuss everything that is sports-related, like MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, MLS, NASCAR, NCAA sports and teams, trades, coaches, bad calls etc.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-15-2018, 05:13 PM   #1
G-Force
All Star Reserve
 
G-Force's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 688
Thanks: 96
Thanked 302x in 235 posts
Cano Banned 80 Games For Drug Violation



Robinson Cano has been suspended 80 games after testing positive for a banned substance, Major League Baseball announced on Tuesday.
The Mariners second baseman tested positive for furosemide, a diuretic better known as Lasix, which is often used to help mask banned substances in urine tests.
Though Cano is on the disabled list, the result of a fractured hand he sustained when hit by a pitch on Sunday, the suspension is effective immediately. He will not be eligible for postseason play this year. Entering play on Tuesday, the Mariners were 23-17, 1 1/2 games behind the Astros and Angels in the American League West and 1/2 games behind for the second AL Wild Card spot.
"Recently I learned that I tested positive for a substance called furosemide, which is not a performance-enhancing substance," Cano said in a statement issued by the MLB Players Association. "Furosemide is used to treat various medical conditions in the United States and the Dominican Republic. This substance was given to me by a licensed doctor in the Dominican Republic to treat a medical ailment. While I did not realize at the time that I was given a medication that was banned, I obviously now wish that I had been more careful.
"For more than 15 years, playing professional baseball has been the greatest honor and privilege of my life. I would never do anything to cheat the rules of the game that I love, and after undergoing dozens of drug tests over more than a decade, I have never tested positive for a performance-enhancing substance for the simple reason that I have never taken one."
An eight-time All-Star, the 35-year-old Cano is hitting .287/.385/.441 with four homers in 169 plate appearances this season. He is fifth among active players with 2,417 career hits, and is in the fifth year of a 10-year, $240 million contract he signed with Seattle during the 2013-14 offseason.
"We were disappointed to learn today that Robinson had violated the terms of Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. Our organization fully supports the program," the Mariners said in a statement. "Robinson made a mistake. He has explained to us what happened, accepted the punishment and has apologized to the fans, the organization and his teammates.
"We will support Robinson as he works through this challenge."
Cano already was expected to miss 6-8 weeks if surgery is required on the fractured fifth metacarpal in his right hand, and he was in Philadelphia on Tuesday to see a hand specialist. Cano will be allowed to use the Mariners' facilities to rehab and work out during the suspension, but he will not be permitted to be with the team when the clubhouse is open or during games. He will be eligible to return from the suspension in mid-August.
"Today I decided to accept MLB's suspension," Cano said. "This was the most difficult decision I have ever made in my life, but ultimately the right decision given that I do not dispute that I was given this substance. I apologize to my family, friends, fans, teammates and the Mariners organization. I am extremely grateful for the support I have received during this process, and I look forward to rejoining my teammates later this season."
Cano has been tested at least once since the positive test occurred, a source told MLB.com's Mark Feinsand, with nothing showing up on the test.
__________________
Check out my Dynasty Threads

The Alltime Baseball League (best players in history)
Austin James: Playing For His Life (a Vietnam-era baseball drama)
G-Force is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2018, 05:43 PM   #2
Déjà Bru
Hall Of Famer
 
Déjà Bru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Long Island
Posts: 6,236
Thanks: 1,296
Thanked 3,351x in 1,900 posts
Robby Cano is a great player, a professional player, who deserves much respect for what he has accomplished on the ball field and the way he has comported himself away from it. Until now.

Because, let's face it. You are a professional ballplayer, subject to drug testing and strict enforcement of banned substances. You are given a medication by a doctor. You ask, "Doctor, what is this medicine?" and are told "Furosemide." You are not familiar with it, so you ask "What is it for? What does it do?"

This is all giving Cano benefit of the doubt up until now. So, even if the doctor were to say "Never mind, don't worry about it" which is really stretching the benefit of the doubt now, what would you do?

Right. You Google "Furosemide" and find out.

My respect for Robinson Cano has now declined dramatically because, try as I might, I cannot stretch credibility so far as to think he had no knowledge of what he was taking.
__________________
.
3,000 thanks is like 3,000 hits: It takes a long time and a lot of effort. If I am a "Hall Of Famer" here, this is why, not my post count.

- Bru


Déjà Bru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2018, 06:32 PM   #3
rudel.dietrich
Hall Of Famer
 
rudel.dietrich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 6,420
Thanks: 12
Thanked 747x in 429 posts
I would respect him more if he just came out and admitted that he was taking steroids to help his hand heal faster or to build back up his strength after not being able to work out due to his hand injury.

The medication he tested positive for is for anti fluid build up after heart of kidney surgery.
Or to mask other drugs...

I would actually be okay with players being able to take steroids and HGH if the leagues themselves had medical professionals on staff who had a panel that allowed players with significant injuries to take them as part of the healing process.
__________________
rudel.dietrich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2018, 10:35 AM   #4
MBarrett
All Star Reserve
 
MBarrett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
Thanks: 247
Thanked 339x in 193 posts
Cano ain't innocent.
__________________
League Founder, Chicago Blues GM - NBL (Est.2013)
MBarrett is offline   Reply With Quote
Thank you for this post:
Hrycaj (05-16-2018)
Old 05-16-2018, 12:03 PM   #5
Cobra Mgr
All Star Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Parts unknown
Posts: 1,555
Thanks: 173
Thanked 256x in 185 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich View Post
I would respect him more if he just came out and admitted that he was taking steroids to help his hand heal faster or to build back up his strength after not being able to work out due to his hand injury.

The medication he tested positive for is for anti fluid build up after heart of kidney surgery.
Or to mask other drugs...

I would actually be okay with players being able to take steroids and HGH if the leagues themselves had medical professionals on staff who had a panel that allowed players with significant injuries to take them as part of the healing process.
I feel the same way. The problem is you know people would abuse the process or claim favoritism. Like the way doctors abuse prescriptions for opioids & pot. Suddenly everybody needs to "recover". IDK the answer, cause I see both sides of the issue. I want people who need access to such things to get them. I want people who don't need them to be honorable enough to resist taking them. But for now, I think it is best to keep these things banned. Because as soon as it is allowed, teams will begin forcing players to take stuff like the NFL has done for years. Or else, they get replaced.
__________________
If a man is guilty
4 what goes on inside of his mind,
then let me get the electric chair
4 all my future crimes.

- Prince
Batdance
Cobra Mgr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2018, 03:39 PM   #6
Déjà Bru
Hall Of Famer
 
Déjà Bru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Long Island
Posts: 6,236
Thanks: 1,296
Thanked 3,351x in 1,900 posts
Meanwhile, this is not chump change. I just read (and yes, I could do the math but here it was, laid out for me) that Cano's 80-game suspension means forfeiting $12 million.
__________________
.
3,000 thanks is like 3,000 hits: It takes a long time and a lot of effort. If I am a "Hall Of Famer" here, this is why, not my post count.

- Bru


Déjà Bru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2018, 04:14 PM   #7
Westheim
Hall Of Famer
 
Westheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Germany
Posts: 3,936
Thanks: 1,418
Thanked 2,916x in 1,697 posts
I consulted with my experts regarding Cano and we came back with the following spontaneous reaction:

Booooooooo!!!
__________________
Portland Raccoons, 47 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here!
1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019
1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 32 WEST : 46 SAITO

Meeets!
Westheim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2018, 05:39 PM   #8
rudel.dietrich
Hall Of Famer
 
rudel.dietrich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 6,420
Thanks: 12
Thanked 747x in 429 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr View Post
I feel the same way. The problem is you know people would abuse the process or claim favoritism. Like the way doctors abuse prescriptions for opioids & pot. Suddenly everybody needs to "recover". IDK the answer, cause I see both sides of the issue. I want people who need access to such things to get them. I want people who don't need them to be honorable enough to resist taking them. But for now, I think it is best to keep these things banned. Because as soon as it is allowed, teams will begin forcing players to take stuff like the NFL has done for years. Or else, they get replaced.

I had minor surgery to repair a minor meniscus tear almost 3 years ago.
Sometime in 2018 or early 2019 I will need surgery to repair a small rotator cuff tear and remove some loose bodies from my right shoulder.
In both cases I will be prescribed a dose of HGH to aid the healing process.

I just find it odd that I am able to access better medical care than professional athletes who's jobs and next contracts depend on their bodies ability to perform.

I am in no way defending Cano. I just think we need to reexamine 'PEDS' in cases where they might aid in injury recovery.
__________________
rudel.dietrich is offline   Reply With Quote
Thank you for this post:
damientheomen3 (05-16-2018)
Old 05-16-2018, 07:58 PM   #9
ihatenames
Hall Of Famer
 
ihatenames's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Rockford
Posts: 2,483
Thanks: 344
Thanked 327x in 217 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich View Post
I had minor surgery to repair a minor meniscus tear almost 3 years ago.
Sometime in 2018 or early 2019 I will need surgery to repair a small rotator cuff tear and remove some loose bodies from my right shoulder.
In both cases I will be prescribed a dose of HGH to aid the healing process.

I just find it odd that I am able to access better medical care than professional athletes who's jobs and next contracts depend on their bodies ability to perform.

I am in no way defending Cano. I just think we need to reexamine 'PEDS' in cases where they might aid in injury recovery.
I know players can get exemptions for drugs like adderall which are banned. Is that not the case for the other drugs if they are deemed medically required? Or is adderall the only the exception?
__________________
New Album with my latest band “The fine Line” coming soon! For now: Please check out my music at
https://soundcloud.com/flannel_mike
ihatenames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2018, 09:01 PM   #10
Hrycaj
Major Leagues
 
Hrycaj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 489
Thanks: 147
Thanked 121x in 84 posts
I'm tired of players running out the same tired story line of "I didn't know what the doctor prescribed." As a professional athlete your body is your money maker and you absolutely know everything you do and put into it.
__________________
Dugout Wizards: Detroit Tigers
HBL: Duluth Danger
Hrycaj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2018, 09:06 PM   #11
Cobra Mgr
All Star Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Parts unknown
Posts: 1,555
Thanks: 173
Thanked 256x in 185 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich View Post
I had minor surgery to repair a minor meniscus tear almost 3 years ago.
Sometime in 2018 or early 2019 I will need surgery to repair a small rotator cuff tear and remove some loose bodies from my right shoulder.
In both cases I will be prescribed a dose of HGH to aid the healing process.

I just find it odd that I am able to access better medical care than professional athletes who's jobs and next contracts depend on their bodies ability to perform.

I am in no way defending Cano. I just think we need to reexamine 'PEDS' in cases where they might aid in injury recovery.
I agree.

But don't you think there will be players getting quack doctors to say Barry Bonds needs "The Clear" in order to recover from a hangnail? When the league calls "bull", players will claim baseball is jeopardizing their careers? If you have a panel they have to go thru, they will complain about the delay? And how about owners or managers pressuring trainers to say Aaron Judge has a _____ injury so that he will "qualify" for a steroid cocktail?

I'm with you. I want players to get the best medicine instead of settling for something inferior or slower. But it's not as simple as saying it should be allowed. There needs to be a lot of thought into changing the current policy. Because you're in danger of going to one extreme from the other.
__________________
If a man is guilty
4 what goes on inside of his mind,
then let me get the electric chair
4 all my future crimes.

- Prince
Batdance
Cobra Mgr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2018, 09:06 PM   #12
rudel.dietrich
Hall Of Famer
 
rudel.dietrich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 6,420
Thanks: 12
Thanked 747x in 429 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by ihatenames View Post
I know players can get exemptions for drugs like adderall which are banned. Is that not the case for the other drugs if they are deemed medically required? Or is adderall the only the exception?
To be honest I don’t know and it would differ from league to league I am sure.
__________________
rudel.dietrich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2018, 10:29 PM   #13
RchW
Hall Of Famer
 
RchW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The not so great white north
Posts: 14,306
Thanks: 4,936
Thanked 5,013x in 3,066 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by ihatenames View Post
I know players can get exemptions for drugs like adderall which are banned. Is that not the case for the other drugs if they are deemed medically required? Or is adderall the only the exception?
Adderall is an amphetamine used to treat ADD ADHD. I'm quite sure the other analogues Ritalin et al would be subject to the waiver if prescribed. Even child amateur athletes in other sports if they compete nationally must disclose and be tested to establish baseline results for these and even allergy meds.
__________________
Cheers

RichW

So much for personality. Albert Belle, a complete nut job was never traded and was the highest paid player in the game, twice!

#Alternativefacts=lies
RchW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2018, 10:05 PM   #14
ihatenames
Hall Of Famer
 
ihatenames's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Rockford
Posts: 2,483
Thanks: 344
Thanked 327x in 217 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by RchW View Post
Adderall is an amphetamine used to treat ADD ADHD. I'm quite sure the other analogues Ritalin et al would be subject to the waiver if prescribed. Even child amateur athletes in other sports if they compete nationally must disclose and be tested to establish baseline results for these and even allergy meds.
Correct. I’m just curious if other medications like typically prescribed steroids are available to athletes recovering from serious injury. Rudel questions why athletes couldn’t have the same care anyone else in that situation would have. My questions is do they have have exemptions for prescribed steroids to help recover from significant injuries.
__________________
New Album with my latest band “The fine Line” coming soon! For now: Please check out my music at
https://soundcloud.com/flannel_mike
ihatenames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2018, 06:54 AM   #15
Reed
Major Leagues
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 376
Thanks: 40
Thanked 152x in 106 posts
In an article at ESPN Mark Teixeira says he is not surprised. Apparently while playing with the Yankees, Cano was friends and had an associate who was involved with PEDs. I think a GM also basically said the same thing
Reed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2018, 09:22 AM   #16
Cobra Mgr
All Star Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Parts unknown
Posts: 1,555
Thanks: 173
Thanked 256x in 185 posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reed View Post
In an article at ESPN Mark Teixeira says he is not surprised. Apparently while playing with the Yankees, Cano was friends and had an associate who was involved with PEDs. I think a GM also basically said the same thing
I read that article. Tex made some good points.
__________________
If a man is guilty
4 what goes on inside of his mind,
then let me get the electric chair
4 all my future crimes.

- Prince
Batdance
Cobra Mgr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2018, 02:32 PM   #17
Jason Moyer
Hall Of Famer
 
Jason Moyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 4,867
Thanks: 46
Thanked 229x in 155 posts
Anything that re-instates Utley as the best second baseman of the 21st century is ok in my book.
__________________
"I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses."
-- Tom House

"In 1973, the year I first ran for Congress, the House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce concluded a year-long investigation that found--and I quote--'drug use exists...in all sports and levels of competition...In some instances, the danger of improper drug use--primarily amphetamines and anabolic steroids--can only be described as alarming'"
-- Henry Waxman
Jason Moyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:38 PM.

 

Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

The Major League Baseball Players Association (www.MLBPLAYERS.com ) is the collective bargaining representative for all professional baseball players of the thirty Major League Baseball teams and serves as the exclusive group licensing agent for commercial and licensing activities involving active Major League baseball players. On behalf of its members, it operates the Players Choice licensing program and the Players Choice Awards, which benefit the needy through the Major League Baseball Players Trust, a charitable foundation established and run entirely by Major League baseball players. Follow: @MLB_Players; @MLBPAClubhouse; @MLBPlayersTrust

Out of the Park Baseball is a registered trademark of Out of the Park Developments GmbH & Co. KG

Google Play is a trademark of Google Inc.

Apple, iPhone, iPod touch and iPad are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.

COPYRIGHT © 2017 OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENTS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2015 Out of the Park Developments