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Old 06-25-2019, 08:01 PM   #1
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Perfect Game or Just a No Hitter

My pitcher faced 27 bateers and none of the reached base. The only blemish was a dropped foul ball by my 1B. According to OOTP this is a No-Hitter. Since the only thing the error did was make him pitch a few more pitches shouldn't this be a Perfect game. Or is this simply the game not being able to distinguish types of erorrs?
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:22 PM   #2
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According to MLB, a perfect game is a game in which a pitcher (or combination of pitchers) pitches a victory that lasts a minimum of nine innings in which no opposing player reaches base. The pitcher(s) cannot allow any hits, walks, hit batsmen, or any opposing player to reach base safely for any other reason and the fielders cannot make an error that allows an opposing player to reach a base.

Therefore, what happened in your game is indeed a no-hitter and not a perfect game.
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:29 PM   #3
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According to MLB, a perfect game is a game in which a pitcher (or combination of pitchers) pitches a victory that lasts a minimum of nine innings in which no opposing player reaches base. The pitcher(s) cannot allow any hits, walks, hit batsmen, or any opposing player to reach base safely for any other reason and the fielders cannot make an error that allows an opposing player to reach a base.

Therefore, what happened in your game is indeed a no-hitter and not a perfect game.

But the error did NOT allow a runner to reach base. It was a foul ball. The batter was K'd on the next pitch.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:52 PM   #4
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According to MLB, a perfect game is a game in which a pitcher (or combination of pitchers) pitches a victory that lasts a minimum of nine innings in which no opposing player reaches base. The pitcher(s) cannot allow any hits, walks, hit batsmen, or any opposing player to reach base safely for any other reason and the fielders cannot make an error that allows an opposing player to reach a base.

Therefore, what happened in your game is indeed a no-hitter and not a perfect game.
Umm... wouldn't it be a perfect game since no one reached base?
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:05 PM   #5
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It's a perfect game.
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Yes, this is a perfect game... if in fact no one reached base safely.
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:22 PM   #7
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Yes, technically it should be a perfect game, but yeah, we don't distinguish in-game the type of error.
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:46 AM   #8
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Yes, technically it should be a perfect game, but yeah, we don't distinguish in-game the type of error.
Possible to rewrite the code so that it looks for an absence of baserunners instead of looking for no hits, walks or errors?
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MLB doesn't seem to directly address this: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info...egulations.jsp

Maybe someone who's 'connected' should put in a call for an official edict from on high?
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:20 PM   #10
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Perfect game.

The key is that no batter reached any base for any reason. MLB pretty definitively addresses this in the link above with the distinction being that a batter may reach via walk, error, passed ball, wild pitch or catcher’s interference. The definition of a perfect game does not include a requirement for the absence of any errors, thus the OP’s situation meets the definition of a perfect game.
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Yes, this is a perfect game... if in fact no one reached base safely.
Even errors made in fair territory end a perfect game. Ask Clayton Kershaw.
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Even errors made in fair territory end a perfect game. Ask Clayton Kershaw.
Errors don't end perfect games, baserunners do. And since it is possible for an error to be committed without a resulting baserunner...
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Errors don't end perfect games, baserunners do. And since it is possible for an error to be committed without a resulting baserunner...
If a runner reaches on an error, that is the end of a perfect game. No-hitter stays intact.

But to the foul fly being dropped? Yes, that would still be a perfect game.
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If a runner reaches on an error, that is the end of a perfect game. No-hitter stays intact.

But to the foul fly being dropped? Yes, that would still be a perfect game.
Why did you reply to me? You said nothing that contradicts my post.
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How can an error be scored if the batter/runner doesn't advance?
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If a player drops a pop fly in foul territory an error can be scored as the play resulted in another opportunity for the batter to reach base.


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http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info...egulations.jsp

An official perfect game occurs when a pitcher (or pitchers) retires each batter on the opposing team during the entire course of a game, which consists of at least nine innings. In a perfect game, no batter reaches any base during the course of the game.

A dropped foul ball does not allow a batter to reach any base, therefore can't end a perfect game. That's all there is to it. Certain other types of errors, HBP, walks, certain types of interference, base hits, certain types of dropped strikes, do allow a batter to reach a base, so they end perfect games.

As for why it's an error, (and how this type of error does not impact a perfect game), it's an error whenever a defensive player can reasonably be expected to complete a defensive play (with at least one exception) to create an out and fails to do so. This type of error doesn't create a runner however, so it doesn't impact the status as a no hitter or perfect game.

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How can an error be scored if the batter/runner doesn't advance?
An error is issued if a play should have been made by a professional.
If a C is under a foul ball and it pops in and out of his glove, regardless of where he or the ball is, it's an error.

He should have made the play.

On a side note, a Passed Ball is against a C (obviously) but for scoring purposes any runs that score that shouldn't have would be considered UNEARNED against the pitcher.
Just another oddity, I guess
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Thanks everyone for the input to my original question. Is there any way to edit a correction in the player history etc?
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Why did you reply to me? You said nothing that contradicts my post.
This is what I meant by my first post and not the original reply. I was referring to Clayton Kershaw pitching a no-hitter, facing 28 batters, and one reaching by error. This quote below:

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http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info...egulations.jsp

An official perfect game occurs when a pitcher (or pitchers) retires each batter on the opposing team during the entire course of a game, which consists of at least nine innings. In a perfect game, no batter reaches any base during the course of the game.

A dropped foul ball does not allow a batter to reach any base, therefore can't end a perfect game. That's all there is to it. Certain other types of errors, HBP, walks, certain types of interference, base hits, certain types of dropped strikes, do allow a batter to reach a base, so they end perfect games.

As for why it's an error, (and how this type of error does not impact a perfect game), it's an error whenever a defensive player can reasonably be expected to complete a defensive play (with at least one exception) to create an out and fails to do so. This type of error doesn't create a runner however, so it doesn't impact the status as a no hitter or perfect game.
That's why I referred to Kershaw.
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