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Old 07-12-2008, 03:26 PM   #1
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Teofilo Stevenson Pro Simulation

I'll be using this thread to do a pro career simulation for Cuban Olympic Gold Medal winner Teofilo Stevenson. The simulation will begin in 1977 following the Stevenson's Olympic performance in 1976.

For this purpose, I'll use the fan-created rating (see attached) but will most likely tweak it a little. Right now, I'm doing dry runs. So if you have any suggestions to change the rating, please post them.

The reports on Stevenson's pro career will be by Skip Bailey, a staff reporter for "Counter-Punch" magazine.

Please note that since Stevenson's (Castro's?) decision not to turn pro was politically driven, there will be some element of politics present in Bailey's coverage.
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This is a cool idea! Have you given any thought to having his nemesis Vysotky defect and turn pro as well? Vysotky put the Bayone Bleeder to shame so longer pro bouts might have been just what Stevenson needed.
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Cool ... will be watching this one. Stevenson just joined my uni and is 2-0 as a beginner.

Vysotky just missed being in mine as his start date is listed as 1971.
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Cool idea, will be following as well.
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Great idea. This should be fun.

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Ditto. Look forward to it
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Great Idea. So he'll potentially be facing the Ali who faced Spinks for the first time in 78'. Lot's of good matchups are possible in that decade.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:12 PM   #8
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This is a cool idea! Have you given any thought to having his nemesis Vysotky defect and turn pro as well? Vysotky put the Bayone Bleeder to shame so longer pro bouts might have been just what Stevenson needed.
I'll be posting the story of his turning pro within the next few days--it will have an interesting "twist" (I hope)! Thank you and all the rest for their interest--now I'll have to produce (gulp!) something decent.

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P.S. Hey layoff Wepner--he's a local folk hero in my part of Jersey. Nobody, I mean nobody, in Hudson County rerfers to him as the "Bayonne Bleeder"--He's "Our Chuck"----LOL!!!
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Meet Skip Bailey

For coverage of this simulation, Stevenson's progress will be reported through the eyes of a ficticious scribe, Skip Bailey, who writes for an equally fiticious boxing magazine, "CounterPunch". To add a little flavor, there's a picture of Bailey below. The picture is just of a late 70s, middle-aged guy (it's not me!) and reflects how I thinks Bailey would look.

I'm poviding this introduction so that you get a general idea about how Bailey sees things. What he will write during the simulation will usually be an accurate, objective presentation of what will or has taken place. But there will be instances where you'll be reading about the world according to Skip Bailey. Some of the things he predicts will take place, some will not.

The simulation begins December 1976

Skip Bailey

Born Scipio Bellaconi on June 5, 1931 in Hoboken, New Jersey, Skip Bailey has been covering professional boxing for two decades. The nephew of 1940s middlweight contender Joe Curcio, Skip contends that he's been around boxing since he was a babe in arms.

"I was raised in the Newark Armory," he claims. "My mother changed my diapers in the locker room on fight nights." You should note that Skip is at times inclined to inflate and exaggerate.

After taking a degree in what is now known as Jersey City State College, Skip wrote copy for the "Newark Evening News". In 1956, he joined the staff of "The Ring" where he regularly wrote a column entitled "Bailey's Beat" in which he covered the New Jersey boxing scene.

It would appear that after a few years, Bailey's flamboyant, opinionated style did not mesh well with the rather staid image that Nat Fleischer wanted to maintain for his publication and there was a parting of the ways.

Starting in June 1959, Bailey began writing for "Boxing Illustrated", a recently launched competitor to "The Ring." In 1970, he left "BI" and joined the equally iconclastic Bert Sugar to create "CounterPunch", a monthly boxing magazine which is one part "People Magazine" and one part "National Enquirer."

Both the magazine and Bailey have enjoyed considerable success ever since. As the editor, Bailey broke with tradition an introduced color photos into the pages of a boxing magazine. He created a contoversey and alienated boxing traditionalists by colorizing black and white photos just as Ted Turner did when he took his box of crayons to the film classics of the 1930s and 40s.

Married (and divorced) four times, Bailey is a jet-setter who can be found these days on the Studio 54 dance floor. He's become somewhat of a national celebraty, frequently in the company of the "beautiful people." You'll often see him on the talk shows (it feels like he's on Carson every other night), and for the past two years, he's been a boxing analyst for ABC's fight broadcasts.

Bailey's very much like Dick Morris, the contemporary political analyst. He knows the game better than anyone. He thinks outside of the box and comes up with some pretty wild predictions. Sometimes, you'd swear that he has a crystal ball. Other times, he's totally wrong. During his tenure at "Boxing Illustrated" he insisted that Thad Spencer would win the 1968 WBA heavyweight tournament.

If there's one word to describe Skip Bailey it's "EGO"!

You've been warned.
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Jersey sure has put out a large cast of characters over the years .
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Great stuff. Enjoying it so far.
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Professor, I know I'm going to enjoy this, as I remember as a kid going to the Olympics in Montreal in 1976, and seeing Stevenson fight a couple of times, and we had good seats, and he looked awesome. I first saw him fight John Tate, and then we had tickets to the finals.

The only other events we had tickets for were Track & Field finals, and a couple of others.

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Old 07-16-2008, 12:20 AM   #13
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The Announcement

CounterPunch, December 1976

"Fidel Lets Teo Go-But Not As A Pro"
by Skip Bailey


The boxing world is still reeling from Cuban Communist Boss Fidel Castro's national radio address last week. Unless you live in a cave, slipped into a coma, or were abducted by aliens, you know that the Bearded One has given 1976 Olympic boxing god Teofilo Stevenson the green light to do battle in the world of professional boxing--but not as a pro.

In an unprecedented move, Castro announced that Stevenson will not be fighting for personal gain but rather for "socialism and the glory of the Cuban people." This means that Big Teo's purse will be directly deposited into the Communist kitty "to benefit all Cubans."

Don't shed any tears for Stevenson. He appears to have bought into Fidel's dream of a communist utopia and has been afforded numerous amenities not enjoyed by the typical residents of Castro's "workers paradise".

While the logistics are still being worked out, the Cuban government will promote all of Stevenson's bouts. Of course he will be fighting that exploited class known as professional boxers who hail from capitalist countries. Lacking Teo's elevated consciousness, they want to walk away with some money in their pockets, thus arrangements will need to be made.

There's also the question of those profit-hungery media moguls who want to broadcast Stevenson's foray into the world of professional boxing. Arrangements must also be made here.

Political Pugilism

I'm glad a took a minor in political science twenty-five years ago (see the note below) so I can explain this to you. Politics has periodically seeped into the boxing world. Racism and segregation limited the careers of many excellent black fighters earlier this century and gave rise to the Great White Hope, which is unfortunately still an element in our sport. Hitler made use of Schmeling for propaganda purposes in the 1930s and Mussolini basked in Primo's glory to a lesser degree.

But this is something different. We're not talking about political seepage here--we're discussing a tidal wave!

Nearly fifteen years ago, Castro banned all professional sports in Cuba claiming that they were corrupt, exploitive, and created attitudes of selfish individualism. Now he has obviously reversed himself. Why?

Two words--Teofilo Stevenson! Teo is Cuba's very first hero of the Castro era, and Fidel wants to maximize the propaganda value of the situation. My sources tell me that El Presidente was not completely pleased with the production of the 1976 Olympic team. Sure they won more medals than any other team, but the yankee imperialist American boxers won only one less medal and took home more gold.

Stevenson is as good as gold for Castro's purposes. He's good looking, committed to the cause, and extremely talented. Insiders have indicated that Fidel does not want to wait another four years until the 1980 Olympics to showcase his star--the time is now.

What does this all mean for boxing? Here's my take on the situation.

There Will Be No Ali-Stevenson Fight

Some of my old pals at The Ring are running around prediticting an Ali/Stevenson match no later than early 1978. Sorry guys, you're missing the big picture here. There's not going to be a re-Pete of the Rademacher/Patterson debacle of twenty years ago.

A fight with Ali will do nothing for Stevenson or for Castro. There's no postives here--just negatives. Sad as it is, Ali's skills have declined, but not to the extent that he couldn't beat Stevenson a year from now--and not just hand the big kid a defeat. Ali would humiliate Teo (and Castro) before a world audience. That's just not in Fidel's plans.

Even if Ali was around two years from now, and Stevenson honed his skills to the degree he beats the Greatest, Fidel would still be a big loser. Ali is not only a citizen of the world (tough to tie him to the corrupt American capitalists), he's extremely popular in the Third World, the same part of the planet that Castro wants to win over. Remember how many felt when Marciano beat up on an aged, over-the-hill Joe Louis? Now multiply that by a few million if Stevenson disposed of Ali in similar fashion. You can never forget that the Castro's purpose is not the big payday, its scoring political points in the world arena.

Go Slow Teo

To borrow from the Rolling Stones, time, time, time is on Teo's side--yes it is! Stevenson is not yet twenty-five with about three years to go before he enters his athletic prime. Like all fighters with potential, he'll feast on a plate of stiffs his first year and gradually work his way up to the next level of competition. Expect him to fight frequently (once every six weeks) in the beginning but be aware that his opponents will be safe and cherry-picked.

There's another reason for Stevenson to take his time. Presently, we're witnessing the Twilight of the Gods in the heavyweight division. I've already discussed Ali. Quarry appears to be punched out. Ditto Joe Frazier. Kenny Norton's best days might be behind him. Sure he got jobbed this summer in the Ali fight, bit he wasn't particulary impressive either. Foreman, at least on paper, is still in his prime. But you have to wonder if losing the title to Ali two years ago tooks something out of his psyche. Last year's circus act in Toronto and the barroom brawl with Ron Lyle earlier this year make me wonder. And knocking out Smokeless Joe, Scott LeDoux, and Dino Dennis does not impress me.

Two years from now, when Teo is ready he'll pretty much be able to run the table. These guys, with the exception Foreman, will be gone from the scene giving Stevenson a pretty clear path to the title.

Bobick Is The Key

The way I see it playing out, Duane Bobick is the only roadblock that Stevenson will need to overcome. Duane has been boxing as a pro for the past three years and has compiled a record of 38-0. Sure he basically fought a bunch of stiffs, but the important thing is that he's picked up a ton of skill and experience. He's not the same fighter that Teo knocked out in the 1972 Olympics. Most likely Bobick will get to the throne before Teo, thus setting up the match that Castro really wants to take place.

While there's not an advantage in defeating an over-the-hill Ali, Bobick is a different matter. He's white. And that has some propaganda value -think Schmeling/Louis in reverse. El Presidente's golden boy would be Ali's successor in the Third World by lifting the crown from the capitalists' Great White Hope. Also remember that a fight between Bobick and Stevenson would be viewed as a rubber match. Bobick beat Teo in the 1971 Pan American games, and Stevenson returned the favor the following year in the Olympics. Bobick has signed to fight Norton in the spring and should have no problem hastening Kenny's retirement plans.
I predict that Bobick will win the title by mid-1978 and face Stevenson sometime in early 1979.

If Teo can get past Bobick, he should be able to hold the title for some time. Beyond Duane, there really won't be much out there. 1976 U.S. Olympians John Tate and Leon Spinks are about to begin their respective pro careers but don't present any threat to Stevenson. This summer against Stevenson, Tate was terrible. Many questioned whether he should have been in an Olympic ring. More wonder if he belongs with the pros. Spinks has the misfortune of being a natural cruiserweight which means if he's going to make any money, he'll have to beef up and do it as a heavyweight. He'll be giving up a lot weight and size. Sure he might have been fun to watch this past summer--but a fight in your local tavern can also be entertaining. I've been accused in the past of having a vivid immagination, but its not so vivid as to allow me to ever see Leon wearing the heavyweight crown. Some scribes have been raving about Ali's former sparring partner Larry Holmes who has compiled an unbeaten record against unknown opponents. Two years from now you won't even remember his name.

So that's how its going to play out, boxing fans. And it will be fun, exciting, and damn interesting!

See you next month!

Note: An examination of Bailey's college transcript reveals that he took one course in political science, Introduction to Politics 101 in which he earned a final grade of C.

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Thanks!

I want to thank all of you for your kind words and encouragement as I begin this simulation. I'm not sure where it will wind up in the end myself! But I'll do my best to keep it interesting.

Please feel free to jump in and give me your suggestions. Just remember, if you have any issues with the analysis---don't blame me. Skip Bailey is the guy you need to hold accountable.
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Alcides Sagarra

As you would expect, Fidel assigned Alcides Sagarra as Teo's trainer. Not only did Sagarra develop Stevenson, but more importantly he was the architect who designed and built the powerful Cuban national boxing team.

In 1962, Fidel did two things that had a major impact upon Cuban athletics. He banned professional sports and designated Sagarra as national boxing coach. During his thirty years at the helm, he brought home 32 Olympic gold medals, won 63 Senior world championships, and 64 junior world titles.

I've rated him below, and you might think that the numbers are a little high--but he was that good. Now all I need is for my pal Greg to get me a good cut man!

Discipline: 10
Motivation: 10
Strategy: 9
Reduce Swelling: 0
Close Cuts: 0
Train Defense: 9
Train Offense: 9
Training Avg.: 9
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Good stuff, Prof! Well thought out. Well constructed. A Great Universe that all of us TB fans will greatly appreciate. And... it's good to see a fellow Jerseyian make good. I was born in Newark which these days is sort of considered the "Arm Pit" of the Universe. I'm talking about the Universe that all of us on this board live in.

But we have some good things too! Looking forward to the rest of your thread.
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This is good! I give you credit for not having him fight Ali. Most of us wouldn't be strong enough to resist the fight
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This is good! I give you credit for not having him fight Ali. Most of us wouldn't be strong enough to resist the fight
We really don't know if he'll fight Ali---remember just because Skip Bailey predicts something, it doesn't mean that's the way it's gonna be!--LOL!
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Good stuff, Prof! Well thought out. Well constructed. A Great Universe that all of us TB fans will greatly appreciate. And... it's good to see a fellow Jerseyian make good. I was born in Newark which these days is sort of considered the "Arm Pit" of the Universe. I'm talking about the Universe that all of us on this board live in.

But we have some good things too! Looking forward to the rest of your thread.
I think it's what we don't have that is more important! Forest fires, mudslides, earthquakes, destructive hurricanes, massive flooding, tornado threats. In this respect, God has smiled upon us.

What we have isn't too good---dirty air, high taxes, and the most dishonest politicans in the nation---LOL!
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