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Old 02-21-2010, 04:27 PM   #1
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Ray Mancini Career Replay

This will be a replay of Ray Mancini’s boxing career including all the bouts/fighters that appeared on his fight cards throughout his career. Any fighter that has not been rated by the TBCB 3 team and appears on the fight card with Mancini, will be rated and a boxer file attached for anyone wishing to download them.

I will follow Mancini’s career until the day after the Duk Koo Kim fight. Since Mancini only fought 8 more times in a 10 year span after the Kim fight, I’ll keep Mancini active in this replay and schedule fights I wanted to see in addition to his last 8 real life fight cards. The fight cards I schedule, Mancini will fight (my choice) on an actual fight card that was scheduled for the date I pick.
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Mancini Pro Debut....fight #1

Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini fight Card (#1)

Thursday, October 18, 1979

Struthers, Ohio, United States


Opening Bout
Lightweight, 4 rounds

Ray Mancini 0-0-0 (0) W TKO 2 (time 2:55) Phil Bowen 2-6-0 (1)

- Real life result: Ray Mancini won by KO in the 1st round

Support Bout
Light Heavyweight, 4 rounds

Jim Oilers 0-0-0 (0) Draw 4 Frankie Mills 0-6-0 (0)

- Real life result: Jim Oilers won by points, 4 rounds

Co-Feature
Middleweight, 6 rounds

Lenny Villers 1-0-0 (1) W pts. Roy Cummings 0-0-0 (0)

- Real life result: Lenny Villers won by points, 4 rounds

Main Event
Middleweight, 8 rounds

Rick Noggle 5-0-0 (4) W pts. Charlie Peterson 4-3-1 (2)

- Real life result: Rick Noggle won by KO in the 3rd round


Next Fight Card: Tuesday November 13, 1979, Phoenix, Arizona

This fight card produced 7 new fighter ratings. Files attached here and in the next post.

Attached fighters with rating & career record:

(WW-rated 0) Phil Bowen - W 2 (KO 1) / L 9 (KO 8) / D 0
(MW-rated 0) Roy Cummings - W 0 (KO 0) / L 1 (KO 0) / D 0
(LHW-rated 0) Frankie Mills - W 2 (KO 1) / L 19 (KO 13) / D 0
(MW-rated 4) Rick Noggle - W 15 (KO 12) / L 6 (KO 4) / D 0
(LHW-rated 0) Jim Oilers - W 1 (KO 0) / L 0 (KO 0) / D 0
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File Type: tbdx3 Bowen_Phil.tbdx3 (1.7 KB, 110 views)
File Type: tbdx3 Cummings_Roy.tbdx3 (1.7 KB, 102 views)
File Type: tbdx3 Mills_Frankie.tbdx3 (1.7 KB, 74 views)
File Type: tbdx3 Noggle_Rick.tbdx3 (1.7 KB, 83 views)
File Type: tbdx3 Oilers_Jim.tbdx3 (1.7 KB, 108 views)
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Remaining attached fighters from Mancini bout #1

Final 2 fighters that were created in Mancini's first pro fight card.

(JMW-rated 1) Charlie Peterson- W 9 (KO 4) / L 26 (KO 14) / D 2
(MW-rated 0) Lenny Villers- W 10 (KO 7) / L 7 (KO 5) / D 1
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File Type: tbdx3 Villers_Lenny.tbdx3 (1.7 KB, 77 views)
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"Boom Boom" was one of my all time favorites as I was learning the sport, so I'll be watching this with avid interest!
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What a shock that you'd be running a Mancini uni. I look forward to it!
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What a shock that you'd be running a Mancini uni. I look forward to it!
With all the fighters in the game.........I really had a hard time picking the one fighter to replay.

Actually, I had no problem at all and the best part, I'll be in charge of his career after the Kim fight. Championship bouts will still be 15 rounds.
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Mancini Bout #2

Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini fight Card (#2)

Tuesday November 13, 1979

Phoenix, Arizona, United States


Opening Bout
Junior Welterweight, 4 rounds

Randy Clover McNurlin 3-1-0 (2) L MD 4 Elio Hernandez 0-11-0 (0)

- Real life result: Randy Clover McNurlin won by KO in the 3rd round


Preliminary Bout #1
Heavyweight, 4 rounds

Jerry Thompkins 8-15-0 (6) L UD 4 Jimmy Wallace 2-2-0 (2)

- Real life result: Jerry Thompkins won by points, 4 rounds


Preliminary Bout #2
Featherweight, 4 rounds

Robert Anderson 8-0-1 (0) W UD 4 Howard Sallis 0-0-0 (0)

- Real life result: Robert Anderson won by points, 4 rounds


Preliminary Bout #3
Lightweight, 6 rounds

Ray Mancini 1-0-0 (1) W UD 6 Lou Daniels 6-10-0 (2)

(60 - 53 all 3 scorecards, Mancini scored a knockdown in the 2nd round)
- Real life result: Ray Mancini won by points, 6 rounds


Support Bout
Heavyweight, 6 rounds

Ed 'Too Tall' Jones 1-0-0 (0) W UD 6 Lee Holloman 1-14-2 (0)

- Real life result: Ed 'Too Tall' Jones won by TKO in the 6th round


Co-Feature
Junior Welterweight, 10 rounds

Jose Caba 11-2-0 (9) W TKO 8 Jose Olivares 10-24-2 (1)

- Real life result: Jose Caba won by KO 7th round


Main Event
Middleweight, 10 rounds

Robbie Epps 24-1-0 (1) W UD 10 Henry Walker 15-13-2 (4)

(scorecards read: 97-94, 97-96, 96-94)
- Real life result: Robbie Epps won by points, 10 rounds


Missed on a couple of the fight results in this one.

Ray Mancini's replay record: 2-0-0 (1) / - Actual record 2-0-0 (1)

Next Fight Card, 11 days away: Saturday, November 24, 1979, DC Armory, Washington, District of Columbia


This fight card produced 12 new fighter ratings. All 12 new fighter files attached in the zip folder below.

Career record of created fighters:
  • (FW- rated 4) Robert Anderson W 23 (KO 6) / L 10 (KO4) / D 3
  • (FW- rated 7) Jose Caba W 28 (KO20) / L 6 (KO3) / D 1
    Lost (UD15) to Eusebio Pedroza (rated 11 in the game) for the WBA Featherweight Title
  • (LW- rated 2) Lou Daniels W 7 (KO2) / L 16 (KO 8) / D 0
  • (MW- rated 6) Robbie Epps W 31 (KO 11) / L 4 (KO 2) / D 0
  • (LW- rated 0) Elio Hernandez W 0 (KO 0) / L 18 (KO 17) / D 0
  • (HW- rated 0) Lee Holloman W 1 (KO 0) / L 17 (KO 11) / D 2
  • (JWW- rated 4) Randy Clover McNurlin W 13 (KO 11) / L 4 (KO 2) / D 0
  • (FW- rated 3) Jose Olivares W 10 (KO 1) / L 25 (KO 12) / D 2
  • (FW- rated 0) Howard Sallis W 0 (KO 0) / L 1 (KO 0) / D 0
  • (HW- rated 0) Jerry Thompkins W 9 (KO 6) / L 18 (KO 8) / D 0
  • (MW- rated 4) Henry Walker W 19 (KO 6) / L 23 (KO 9) / D 2
  • (HW- rated 0) Jimmy Wallace W 2 (KO 2) / L 6 (KO 5) / D 0
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I'll be following this avidly, Scott,

Never have enough fighter files
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Great idea ... and a great vehicle for new files (many of which I'm sure will find their way into my Page uni).

I used to argue with a buddy of mine about Mancini when I was a kid. At the time, I thought he was a bit overrated -- probably because he was on TV all the time and got the gushing treatment from CBS -- but with the benefit of hindsight (and re-watching the Arguello fight), he deserved the hype.

It will be interesting to see what happens post-Kim, assuming he doesn't stumble before that. His downfall against Bramble came here in Buffalo -- hope you keep that one, or another bout, at the old Aud, which came down last year.
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I think he was slightly overrated in his day and has become criminally underrated. His rating of 7 in the game is too low imo.I have him as a 9. Just look at Ramirez rating and then watch mancini completely dominate him over 12 shut out rounds.

It's odd how time changes things just on perception alone.
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Surprised it took so long for you to do this

Boom Boom is one of my all-time favs as well, will be following along....And please, when you get to the point where you schedule fights you would have wanted to see, match him up with Kenny Bogner for me.
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I think he was slightly overrated in his day and has become criminally underrated. His rating of 7 in the game is too low imo.I have him as a 9. Just look at Ramirez rating and then watch mancini completely dominate him over 12 shut out rounds.

It's odd how time changes things just on perception alone.
While I never felt he was overrated in his day, I do agree he's way underrated now. I'd LOVE to see your rating of him!
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I think he was slightly overrated in his day and has become criminally underrated. His rating of 7 in the game is too low imo.I have him as a 9. Just look at Ramirez rating and then watch mancini completely dominate him over 12 shut out rounds.

It's odd how time changes things just on perception alone.
Agree 100%.

As of right now for this replay.....I have him rated as an 8......subject to change maybe. IMO, I think his overall TB rating is a reflection of his 4-4 finish to his career when he was not in full prime. I guarantee Mancini will be in Prime shape for those last 8 fights of his career during the replay. Maybe he can take Bramble out this time around.

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Surprised it took so long for you to do this

Boom Boom is one of my all-time favs as well, will be following along....And please, when you get to the point where you schedule fights you would have wanted to see, match him up with Kenny Bogner for me.
Can do. You may have to remind me when the time comes though.
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I'll be following this avidly, Scott,

Never have enough fighter files
I'll be kinda of be glad when I reach the later stages of his career so I won't have as many fighters to rate. I don't mind doing them, I'm just anxious to see how far I can take Mancini's career and rating the fighters slows things down a bit.

I run at least 1000 fights per fighter while rating (creating) them. The ones I'm posting here in the early goings are harder, due to the fact they have not faced any fighters already rated in the DB. Which means I have to more research on their prior competition.

Speaking of this, I'm putting the final touches on the next fight card tweaking the next 6 fighters that will be joining the replay.
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This is Awesome!!!!. Ray was is and always be my favorite fighter. I had the pleasure of meeting Ray back in 1991 and he is genuinely a nice and decent man. I can remember shaking like a leaf when I met him. Meeting someone famous is cool but when it is your idol Totally different. I SAL will be tuning into this one regularly.

Also I may have mentioned in maybe my own uni. That til this day I watch the Bramble fights mainly the 2nd fight and hope the ending will be different.
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Also I may have mentioned in maybe my own uni. That til this day I watch the Bramble fights mainly the 2nd fight and hope the ending will be different.
I feel the same as you do on this one. Maybe things will change in the replay and we'll get the ending to that fight we're looking for.
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This is going to be a GREAT universe. I was big Ray Mancini fan as a kid. When he lost to Bramble I couldn't believe it. At the time I hated Bramble for it. Now I've become a Bramble fan!

PWilllisTheMan said it well, "It's odd how time changes things just on perception alone."

It will be interesting to see how his career goes, especially after the Bramble fight. Mancini had several potential Superfights that never materialized: Kenny Bogner, Aaron Pryor, Sean O' Grady, Howard Davis Jr., Hector Camacho (when they did actually fight, I don't think it was a true reflection of what may have occurred had they fought earlier in thier careers).

Looking forward to how it all plays out!

And thanks for posting the ratings of the fighters. That is a big added bonus! It will be interesting to see what the differences are with how he actually did in his career.
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Thursday, November 15, 1979

Boxing Magazine caught up with 18 year old boxing phenom, Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini at his Youngstown, Ohio home the other night for a little sit down.

Brief Bio:
Mancini was discovered by trainer Murphy Griffith at the National Golden Gloves Tournament in Indianapolis. Griffith stated that Mancini was a pressure-type fighter with power in both hands, solid chin, and uses his average foot speed to effectively cut off the ring.

Ray Mancini (born March 4, 1961) from Youngstown, Ohio, who was given the nickname "Boom Boom" because of his whirlwind fighting style.

Mancini's father, Lenny Mancini, was a top ranked contender during the 1940s, who was considered by many to be a future world champion. His dream, however, was dashed after he was wounded during World War II. He returned to boxing, but his physical problems prevented him from fulfilling his potential.

Lenny became Ray's inspiration, and Ray started going to the gym at a young age. Ray had a stellar amateur career that included winning the Cleveland Golden Gloves district title three years in a row before making the jump to the professional ranks.




Boxing Magazine: To what extent were you aware of your father’s ring career?

Ray Mancini: In our cellar, my father has a scrapbook of his career and several Ring magazines of the ’30s and ’40s. I know his career better than he does! He tells me all the stories about the great fighters who trained alongside him at Stillman’s Gym in New York — Lou Ambers, Tony Canzoneri and Henry Armstrong, whom my father idolised.

BM: Is your father active in your training today?

RM: Once I began boxing, my dad is the perfect fight father: supportive but never in my corner because emotions can take over thought. Whenever I ask him for advice, he usually says: “Just go in and throw punches!”

BM: As an amateur, you stalled at the national semi-finals. How come?

RM: Several reasons. Firstly, there’s nothing more political than amateur athletics in America. I suffered some terrible decisions. Secondly, my trainer Murphy Griffith is from the old school so we do a lot of things that aren’t traditional. Even in the amateurs, I had a professional style.

BM: It has been two days since your fight in Phoenix, AZ and I see you have another bout scheduled in nine days in D.C. Why take fights on such short notice so early in you pro career?

RM: I just want to get as much experience in the pro ring as fast as I can. The faster I can learn the pro game, the quicker I can reach my goal which is hopefully, a title shot.

BM: Thanks for spending time with us and good luck in Washington D.C.

RM: Thank you and you're welcome to stop by anytime.
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Mancini Bout #3

Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini fight Card (#3)

Saturday, November 24, 1979

DC Armory, Washington DC, United States


Opening Bout
Heavyweight, 4 rounds

Alf Coffin 1-0-0 (0) Draw 4 John Green 0-0-0 (0)

- Real life result: Alf Coffin won by KO in the 1st round


Support Bout
Junior Welterweight, 4 rounds

Jeff Passero 4-0-0 (2) W UD 4 Keith York 0-4-0 (0)

(scorecards: 39-37 x2 & 40-36)
- Real life result: Jeff Passero won by KO in the 1st round


Co-Feature
Heavyweight, 6 rounds

Ed 'Too Tall' Jones 2-0-0 (1) W UD 6 Fernando Montes 18-12-1 (12)

(scorecards: 59-56 x3)
- Real life result: Ed 'Too Tall' Jones won by TKO in the 6th round


Main Event
Lightweight, 6 rounds

Ray Mancini 2-0-0 (1) W UD 6 Ricky Patterson 3-1-0 (0)

(scorecards read: 60-53 x2 & 59-54)
- Real life result: Ray Mancini won KO in the 2nd round


Fight recap:
Mancini landed a massive uppercut 30 seconds into the fight that resulted in a nine count. Somehow, Patterson manged to rise before the count of ten. Mancini then went on the attack missing alot. Second round saw Patterson running for the entire round. Mancini took the 3rd round off. In the 4th, Mancini went back to his original game plan and landed often dropping Patterson for the second time at the 2:12 mark. The knock down resulted in another nine count. Not much happened in the 5th & 6th round as Mancini looked to be out of gas and Patterson was too hurt to even know where he was at.


Replay Update:
Ray Mancini's replay record: 3-0-0 (1) / - Actual record 3-0-0 (2)

Next Fight Card (#4): Friday, December 14, 1979, Convention Center, Dallas, Texas


This fight card produced 6 new fighter ratings. 3 of the new fighter files are attached in this
post and the remaining 3 will be found in the next post.


Career record of created fighters:

(HW- rated 0) Alf Coffin W 4 (KO 1) / L 7 (KO 5) / D 1

(HW- rated 0) John Green W 2 (KO 1) / L 12 (KO 10) / D 0

(HW- rated 0) Fernando Montes W 23 (KO15) / L 23 (KO13) / D 1
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