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Old 01-30-2011, 11:19 PM   #1
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MLB Modified

I am going to do a MLB replay with some modifications. I am using most of the settings that GARLON used in his "Full Sim 1871-2009."
  • There was no organized baseball before 1901.
  • 10 teams in each league (AL and NL).
  • Two divisions in each league; complete Minor League system.
  • West coast baseball is alive and well!!
  • Negro League players are included.
  • Players start with no history.
  • Inaugural draft in 1901, with yearly amateur drafts after that.
  • Players do not retire according to history, and will not miss seasons according to history.

The 20 teams:

American League
East
  1. Washington Senators
  2. New York Yankees
  3. Cleveland Indians
  4. Boston Red Sox
  5. Baltimore Orioles
West
  1. Minnesota Millers
  2. Los Angeles Angels
  3. Kansas City Blues
  4. Detroit Tigers
  5. Chicago White Sox

National League
East
  1. Pittsburgh Pirates
  2. Philadelphia Phillies
  3. Havana Sugar Kings
  4. Cincinnati Reds
  5. Chicago Cubs
West
  1. St. Louis Cardinals
  2. San Francisco Seals
  3. Hollywood Stars
  4. Atlanta Crackers
  5. Milwaukee Brewers
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It looks like there are six Negro League players available for 1901. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to import them and I am making a few more tweaks to the set-up and then I will hold the inaugural draft.

I am using the Lahman database (the one that comes with the game). I am trying to find out if I import the Negro League players from the Gambo database, will that mess up anything. If it does, I will have to switch to the Gambo database for the entire dynasty. Also, I am waiting to see if changing the team abbreviations will have an effect on the game.

I want to get everything right before I start.
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I will also be adding in players from Japan (i.e. Sadaharu Oh) and some Pacific Coast League players, if I can figure it out.
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In order for this replay to work, I found that I can't play with historical retirement dates. The computer will decide when a player retires. Players will start when their professional careers actually started, even if that is as a minor league player. The player database will include some Pacific Coast League players, other career minor league players, Negro League players, and eventually Asian players. I hope it will make for an interesting dynasty.

The 1901 inaugural draft is over. The top two Negro League players in the draft were Grant Johnson and Sol White. They were both drafted in the 6th round, picks 107 and 108, respectively. Also, both of them are in the starting line-ups for opening day.

Below are the top 20 picks:

Round 1
Round 1, Pick 1 - Los Angeles Dodgers: SP Cy Young
Round 1, Pick 2 - Houston Astros: 2B Nap Lajoie
Round 1, Pick 3 - New York Mets: SP Christy Mathewson
Round 1, Pick 4 - St. Louis Cardinals: SP Doc White
Round 1, Pick 5 - Pittsburgh Pirates: SP Rube Waddell
Round 1, Pick 6 - New York Yankees: SP Mordecai Brown
Round 1, Pick 7 - Cincinnati Reds: SP Jesse Tannehill
Round 1, Pick 8 - Cleveland Indians: SP Noodles Hahn
Round 1, Pick 9 - Los Angeles Angels: CL Sam Leever
Round 1, Pick 10 - Detroit Tigers: LF Jesse Burkett
Round 1, Pick 11 - Milwaukee Braves: SP Jim Devlin
Round 1, Pick 12 - Chicago White Sox: SP Tom Hughes
Round 1, Pick 13 - Minnesota Twins: SP George Stovey
Round 1, Pick 14 - Chicago Cubs: SP Bill Donovan
Round 1, Pick 15 - Kansas City Royals: SP Addie Joss
Round 1, Pick 16 - Washington Senators: SP Eddie Plank
Round 1, Pick 17 - Boston Red Sox: SP Darby O'Brien
Round 1, Pick 18 - San Francisco Giants: SP Deacon Phillippe
Round 1, Pick 19 - Philadelphia Phillies: SP Al Orth
Round 1, Pick 20 - Baltimore Orioles: SP Jack Chesbro

Round 2
Round 2, Pick 1 - Baltimore Orioles: MR Bob Wicker
Round 2, Pick 2 - Philadelphia Phillies: MR Roger Denzer
Round 2, Pick 3 - San Francisco Giants: 3B John McGraw
Round 2, Pick 4 - Boston Red Sox: CL Brickyard Kennedy
Round 2, Pick 5 - Washington Senators: LF Jimmy Sheckard
Round 2, Pick 6 - Kansas City Royals: SS Honus Wagner
Round 2, Pick 7 - Chicago Cubs: RF Elmer Flick
Round 2, Pick 8 - Minnesota Twins: MR Ed Poole
Round 2, Pick 9 - Chicago White Sox: RF Sam Crawford
Round 2, Pick 10 - Milwaukee Braves: 1B Dan Brouthers
Round 2, Pick 11 - Detroit Tigers: SP Pop Williams
Round 2, Pick 12 - Los Angeles Angels: SP Amos Rusie
Round 2, Pick 13 - Cleveland Indians: LF Topsy Hartsel
Round 2, Pick 14 - Cincinnati Reds: LF Fred Clarke
Round 2, Pick 15 - New York Yankees: LF Mike Donlin
Round 2, Pick 16 - Pittsburgh Pirates: MR Happy Townsend
Round 2, Pick 17 - St. Louis Cardinals: LF Ed Delahanty
Round 2, Pick 18 - New York Mets: MR Gene Wright
Round 2, Pick 19 - Houston Astros: SP Jim Gardner
Round 2, Pick 20 - Los Angeles Dodgers: CF Jake Stenzel


*On deck - 1901 All Star game
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I will hold an all-star every year to see who the best players are at mid-season.

1901 All Star Game Starting line-ups:

American League
  1. Honus Wagner SS
  2. G. Van Haltren CF
  3. Jesse Burkett LF
  4. Sam Crawford RF
  5. Buck Freeman 1B
  6. Bill Keister 2B
  7. Harry Wolverton 3B
  8. Klondike Douglass C
  9. Vic Willis SP

National League
  1. John McGraw 3B
  2. Emmet Heidrick CF
  3. Nap Lajoie 2B
  4. Elmer Flick RF
  5. Fred Clarke LF
  6. Jiggs Donahue C
  7. Sam Dungan 1B
  8. Freddy Parent SS
  9. C. Mathewson SP
The AL won the game 11-8.

*On deck - final standings and league leaders
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The 1901 season ended up with close races in three out of four divisions, with only the Cubs running away from the pack. The Cubs won with a 16 game cushion and were the only team to win 90 or more games.

AL East
W
L
PCT
GB
NL East
W
L
PCT
GB
Washington Senators
83
71
.539
-
Chicago Cubs
93
61
.604
-
Cleveland Indians
82
72
.532
1
Philadelphia Phillies
77
77
.500
16
Baltimore Orioles
76
78
.494
7
Cincinnati Reds
74
80
.481
19
Boston Red Sox
75
79
.487
8
Pittsburgh Pirates
69
85
.448
24
New York Yankees
66
88
.429
17
New York Mets
69
85
.448
24
AL West
W
L
PCT
GB
NL West
W
L
PCT
GB
Chicago White Sox
82
72
.532
-
St. Louis Cardinals
88
66
.571
-
Detroit Tigers
81
73
.526
1
Los Angeles Dodgers
84
70
.545
4
Los Angeles Angels
76
78
.494
6
San Francisco Giants
79
75
.513
9
Kansas City Royals
75
79
.487
7
Milwaukee Braves
69
85
.448
19
Minnesota Twins
74
80
.481
8
Houston Astros
68
86
.442
20

Some non-major league players (In Real Life...IRL) had some big numbers in 1901. For instance, Hi Ladd, who hit 35 homers for the Twins, played most of his professional career in the Connecticut State League. George Kihm, who came in 5th in the AL in homers and RBI, had a great season with the Orioles. IRL he never made it to the "bigs," playing mostly in the American Association. Also, Phil Nadeau, who lead the AL in homers and RBI for the Angels, never played in the majors at all. He had a 17 year minor league career, playing all over the country, including the old Pacific Coast League.

Over in the NL, Ed Breckenridge (Giants) lead in homers and RBI. IRL he had a seven year minor league career, playing in northeastern leagues.

Negro League players, Grant Johnson (Cubs) and Sol White (Twins), both had a very good 1901 season. Johnson had six HR, 115 RBI, and hit .281; while White had 12 HR, 90 RBI, and hit .258. Some of the others didn't fare as well, Pete Hill hit .189 in 20 games with Giants, Frank Grant (Royals) hit .378 with 45 AB's, and Clarence Williams with the Senators, did not play at all.

AL AVE
AL HR
AL RBI
P. Dougherty
KCR
.379
P. Nadeau
LAA
43
P. Nadeau
LAA
136
B. Freeman
CHW
.372
H. Ladd
MIN
35
B. Freeman
CHW
130
J. Sheckard
WSH
.364
B. Freeman
CHW
17
Beaumont
CLE
126
G. Beaumont
CLE
.353
S. Crawford
CHW
16
Hoffmeister
CLE
125
H. Wagner
KCR
.350
G. Kihm
BAL
15
G. Kihm
BAL
118
AL ERA
AL Wins
AL K’s
P. Williams
DET
2.76
N. Hahn
CLE
24
T. Hughes
CHW
191
H. Staley
MIN
2.80
D. O'Brien
BOS
23
N. Hahn
CLE
160
A. Joss
KCR
2.85
J. Hughes
BAL
22
G. Stovey
MIN
151
C. Patten
KCR
2.93
J. Cronin
WSH
21
A. Joss
KCR
147
M. Brown
NYY
2.93
A. Joss
KCR
21
J. Corbett
BAL
143
NL AVE
NL HR
NL RBI
E. Delahanty
STL
.374
Breckinridge
SFG
22
Breckinridge
SFG
121
E. Heidrick
HOU
.359
M. Grady
NYM
11
G. Johnson
CHC
115
N. Lajoie
HOU
.344
T. Jordan
LAD
11
E. Heidrick
HOU
110
D. Green
PIT
.334
S. Seybold
PHI
11
J. Collins
CIN
109
E. Flick
CHC
.331
F. Clarke
CIN
10
S. Seybold
PHI
101
NL ERA
NL Wins
NL K’s
C. Young
LAD
1.97
B. Dineen
CHC
25
B. Donovan
CHC
204
D. White
STL
2.06
A. Jones
SFG
24
R. Waddell
PIT
203
Mathewson
NYM
2.19
D. White
STL
24
Mathewson
NYM
201
B. Dineen
CHC
2.40
R. Patterson
STL
23
D. White
STL
186
W. McGill
HOU
2.46
C. Young
LAD
23
J. Devlin
MIL
159

*On deck - 1901 post-season
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So many homeruns. I take it you are playing with modern settings?
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I'm not sure...I don't specifically recall a setting for that. Where would it be??
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If you started this as a fictional league and you want historically accurate stats, in need to import the settings for the year in the Game Setup-->League Setup-->Strategy page. There you'll see the modifiers for the engine. If you keep the "Automatically adjust league totals" setting checked, then you will see the league evolve statistically in a way similar to real life. I.e., deadball era, more offense/home runs in the 1920s, etc.
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I started it as a Historical League using the Gambo DB. And yes, I am using the Automatically Adjust League Totals. I basically follow Garlon's settings that he used in a replay.
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On the HR leader board, I see a P. Nadeau hitting 43 HR. I'm assuming this is Phil Nadeau from the PCL? In 17 minor league seasons, Nadeau hit a total of 35 home runs. In two years in the PCL, he hit 1 home run.

You aren't by chance pointing to an older version of the DB, are you? I had this problem once when I was accidentally pointing to a version of the DB for OOTP10.
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Nope, it is pointed to the most recent Gambo DB that I downloaded from padre's fan site. It is the Gambo/Spritze DB for OOTP 11 (V3).
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The Chicago Cubs, who had baseball's best record (93-61), went all of the way in 1901.

1901 ALCS (4-0): Washington Senators over Chicago White Sox
  • ALCS MVP: SS/2B Bill Keister (WSH)...hit .600 and scored 6 runs
1901 NLCS (4-1): Chicago Cubs over the St. Louis Cardinals
  • NLCS MVP: 2B Hobe Ferris (CHC)...hit .381 with 5 RBI
1901 World Series (4-2): Chicago Cubs over the Washington Senators
  • World Series MVP: Bill Donovan (CHC)...3 starts, 2-0, 21 strikeouts and 2.77 ERA
...Donovan


*On deck - 1901 Award Winners
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I ended up having to play the 1901 season over since I think I was pointed to the wrong historical database. So I decided to use the Spritze database for High School. This means guys will start their careers when they are 18 years old, or even younger.

It also includes many Negro League players, minor league players and later on Asian players.

I am also using a complete minor league system. So even though guys will start their professional careers when they turn 18, they won't necessarily go straight to the majors. For instance, HOF pitcher Ed Walsh started his major league career in IRL in 1904 at age 23. Right now in my dynasty, he just finished the 1901 season with the Pirates Triple A farm team, going 16-11. Whether he makes to the majors before 1904 remains to be seen.

I think this should be fun and interesting to see how this all works out.
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The voting for the awards for the inaugural 1901 season are complete. An amazing season for pitcher Roger Denzer, who won both the Outstanding pitcher award and the ROY. At the appropriate time, the Outstanding pitcher will be renamed the Cy Young.

IRL both Denzer and Jocko Flynn didn't do much in the big leagues, but had some big minor league seasons.

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I am going to induct players into the HOF after they have been retired 5 years. Some players won't make it since I didn't start until 1901. Even a guy like Cy Young probably will not have the numbers when he retires. He is already 35 years old and has only played for one year!!

The following real HOFers didn't even make it into the dynasty.
  • King Kelly
  • Jim O'Rourke
  • Cap Anson
  • Buck Ewing
  • Old Hoss Radbourn
After I simmed from 1871 until 1901 they had already retired; I then I erased the entire league history, because in this dynasty it never happened.

I will track all real HOF players as I continue along.
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1902 All-Star game, starting line-ups

AL
  1. Jimmy Sheckard RF
  2. Bill Bradley 3B
  3. Sam Crawford CF
  4. Ed Delahanty 1B
  5. Fred Clarke LF
  6. Bill Keister SS
  7. Sammy Strang 2B
  8. Bob Wood C
  9. Al Orth P
NL
  1. John McGraw 3B
  2. Harry Bay CF
  3. Nap Lajoie 2B
  4. Elmer Flick RF
  5. Jake Beckley 1B
  6. Mike Tiernan LF
  7. Roger Bresnahan C
  8. Miller Huggins SS
  9. C. Mathewson P
AL won the game 10-9
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1902 Final Standings - Senators and Mets went from last to first. Pirates and Dodgers finished last again. The Tigers beat the Angels in a one game playoff to take the AL West.

AL East
W
L
PCT
GB
NL East
W
L
PCT
GB
Washington Senators
84
70
.545
-
New York Mets
98
56
.636
-
Baltimore Orioles
81
73
.526
3
Philadelphia Phillies
84
70
.545
14
Cleveland Indians
79
75
.513
5
Chicago Cubs
78
76
.506
20
New York Yankees
74
80
.481
10
Cincinnati Reds
73
81
.474
25
Boston Red Sox
67
87
.435
17
Pittsburgh Pirates
67
87
.435
31
AL West
W
L
PCT
GB
NL West
W
L
PCT
GB
Detroit Tigers
81
74
.523
-
St. Louis Cardinals
90
64
.584
-
Los Angeles Angels
80
75
.516
1
San Francisco Giants
76
78
.494
14
Kansas City Royals
79
75
.513
Milwaukee Braves
75
79
.487
15
Minnesota Twins
76
78
.494
Houston Astros
68
86
.442
22
Chicago White Sox
70
84
.455
10½
Los Angeles Dodgers
61
93
.396
29

1902 Final League Leaders - Rube Waddell lead in strikeouts in the AL for the second straight year.

AL AVE
AL HR
AL RBI
S. Crawford
NYY
.360
J. Sheckard
LAA
11
B. Keister
CLE
97
G. Beaumont
CLE
.350
B. Holliday
NYY
10
J. Williams
BOS
89
J. Sheckard
LAA
.350
Hoffmeister
BAL
9
E. Delahanty
CLE
86
B. Keister
CLE
.340
H. Ladd
DET
9
C. Stahl
BOS
86
G. Davis
KCR
.330
D. Miller
CHW
9
S. Strang
WSH
85
AL ERA
AL Wins
AL K’s
C. Young
BAL
1.89
A. Orth
BAL
26
R. Waddell
BOS
191
J. St. Vrain
LAA
1.99
N. Hahn
MIN
23
B. Donovan
DET
158
F. Bell
BAL
2.02
J. Corbett
KCR
22
N. Hahn
MIN
155
W. Sawyer
CLE
2.34
C. Young
BAL
21
W. Sawyer
CLE
132
C. McFarland
CLE
2.36
R. Denzer
NYY
18
E. Plank
CHW
124
NL AVE
NL HR
NL RBI
C. Sockalexis
HOU
.364
R. Grey
CHC
11
C. Seymour
STL
102
N. Lajoie
PHI
.353
T. Jordan
SFG
10
McFarland
PHI
99
J. McGraw
STL
.342
L. Whistler
PHI
10
N. Lajoie
PHI
95
E. Flick
NYM
.330
G. Johnson
CHC
9
L. Whistler
PHI
93
J. Beckley
CHC
.325
McFarland
PHI
8
T. Jordan
SFG
90
NL ERA
NL Wins
NL K’s
K. Nichols
CHC
1.84
Mathewson
NYM
26
J. Flynn
CIN
170
A. Jones
CIN
1.93
P. Williams
STL
23
Mathewson
NYM
169
J. Flynn
CIN
2.18
C. Griffith
MIL
22
J. Pfiester
CHC
156
D. Phillippe
PHI
2.21
K. Nichols
CHC
22
K. Nichols
CHC
135
I. Young
NYM
2.22
D. Phillippe
PHI
22
D. Phillippe
PHI
132
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Here is a look at how some real HOFers are doing.

Joe McGinnity – Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1946 by the Old Timers Committee. He was an established MLB player by 1900. The #2 overall pick in the inaugural draft in my dynasty, he has yet to break into the big leagues. He has two seasons in Triple-A.

Year
Professional Career – Modified
Professional career - Real
1900
2nd overall pick in inaugural draft (Phillies)
MLB: 28-8 record, 2.94 ERA, 343 IP
1901
AAA: 7-19 record, 3.41 ERA, 259 IP
MLB: 26-20 Record, 3.56 ERA, 382 IP
1902
AAA: 23-12 record, 2.09, 306 IP
MLB: 21-18 record, 2.84 ERA, 352 IP


Pete Hill – Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2006 by the Negro League Committee. He was a high draft pick and did OK in Triple-A. However, in 1902 he dropped down a notch to Double-A.

Year
Professional Career – Modified
Professional career - Real
1900
305th overall pick in inaugural draft (Phillies)
Pittsburgh Keystones
1901
AAA: .227 BA, 6 HR, 60 RBI
Cuban X-Giants
1902
AA: .289 BA, 4 HR, 55 RBI
Cuban X-Giants


Johnny Evers - Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1946 by the Old Timers Committee. He is a little ahead of schedule in the dynasty compared to real life.

Year
Professional Career – Modified
Professional career - Real
1900
39th overall pick in inaugural draft (Phillies)
Did not play
1901
MLB: .208 BA, 0 HR, 4 RBI
Did not play
1902
MLB: .256 BA, 1 HR, 50 RBI
Class B: .285 BA, 6 HR, 10 RBI
MLB: .222 BA, 0 HR, 2 RBI


Christy Mathewson - Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1946 by the BBWAA. He has only lost out on 34 innings. Look at his real minor league (Class D) stats in 1900!!

Year
Professional Career – Modified
Professional career - Real
1900
5th overall pick in inaugural draft (Mets)
Class D: 18-2 record, 0.74 ERA, 130 IP
MLB: 0-3 record, 5.08 ERA, 34 IP
1901
MLB: 19-13 record, 2.47 ERA, 288 IP
MLB: 20-17 record, 2.41 ERA, 336 IP
1902
MLB: 26-8 record, 2.25 ERA, 301 IP
MLB: 14-17 record, 2.12 ERA, 285 IP


Chief Bender - Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1953 by the Veteran’s Committee. IRL he started his MLB career in 1903. He looks to be on pace in the dynasty, will see come next season if he get promoted to the show. He had a good season in 1902 in Triple-A.

Year
Professional Career – Modified
Professional career - Real
1901
2nd overall pick in rookie draft (Dodgers)
Did not play
1902
AAA: 18-16 record, 2.63 ERA, 305 IP
Did not play
1903
To be determined
MLB: 17-14 record, 3.07 ERA, 270 IP
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Very interesting legue you have going. I been trying to do a historical replay like the one you are doing. Where the Negro league players in the database or do you import them in individually?
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