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Old 01-17-2016, 01:11 PM   #1
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Say it ain't so Joe! - Universal truth? Execs talk NL DH possibility

Here is the link to the article --> Might DH be in National League's future? | MLB.com

The DH rule has existed in the American League since 1973. With 2013's introduction of year-round Interleague Play, questions have arisen as to whether the two leagues should make an attempt to standardize the DH.

The removal of the DH from the AL would appear to be out of the question. It's hard to imagine the Major League Baseball Players Association voting to remove 15 well-paying jobs.

But could MLB be looking to add a DH to the NL in the near future -- possibly as early as next offseason, when the Collective Bargaining Agreement runs out?
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Old 01-17-2016, 02:09 PM   #2
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Old 01-17-2016, 03:22 PM   #3
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uniformity is the key. i only admit which i prefer when forced, because i'm not that adamant about it.

even if some don't like it today, any kid growing up will come to accept it as normal and it won't even be a blip on the screen. as the steroid era proved, chicks dig the long-ball. fans, in general, like offense.
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I vote to rebrand the Designated Hitter the Designated Bystander, because that's what he does for 98% of each game.
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About time! Nothing is more boring/comical than watching pitchers try to hit (Madison Bumgarner, Mike Leake etc notwithstanding).

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Seeing as how nearly every other high-level organized league in the world uses the DH now, it's about time the NL considers joining the 21st-century...
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LOL here we go again.
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LOL here we go again.
It's fun. I don't think anything gets discussed more often around here than the DH though.
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It's fun. I don't think anything gets discussed more often around here than the DH though.
Why not merge this with the previous thread. I need a good chuckle.
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Hmmm, 100 yrs from now, people playing OOTP 117 will be screaming for more accurate historical use of DH by the AI on Saturday day games in NL Parks when it's overcast.
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Over the last decade NL pitchers have reached base between 12-14 % of their PAs

If you find that exciting then well....you may be part of the reason baseball is in trouble.
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Over the last decade NL pitchers have reached base between 12-14 % of their PAs

If you find that exciting then well....you may be part of the reason baseball is in trouble.
I agree with the comment about NL pitchers but can't fathom how you think that baseball is in trouble.

The game is in good shape with a young exciting team as Champion and many challengers with oodles of money and even younger players ready to compete. The relative low cost of single game tickets has attracted a younger more diverse audience than other major sports.I'm not blind to the fact that certain franchises have problems but that has been and always will be the case.
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Why not merge this with the previous thread. I need a good chuckle.
I thought about that actually, but there'd be awful lot of threads to merge.

I think a sub-forum would be more appropriate.
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It takes away pinch hitting and the double switch...that's what NL managers get paid for right?
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I'm in two minds about this. Well actually I'm in one mind, but I can see the opposing argument.

While there is so much inter-league play, I can understand wanting consistency between the two leagues. However, I'd be much more in favour of reducing/removing inter-league play, rather than implementing the DH.

I mean, sure, "watching pitchers try to hit lol". This argument is everything I hate about American sports. "They're not awesome, so I can't be bothered to watch". What about the 22 homers hit by NL pitchers last season (admittedly, 11 of them were from 4 guys)? Isn't it worth it just for the rare times when something unexpected happens? MadBum had a better BA than a lot of shortstops last year, shall we implement a DH for shortstops to make the game more exciting?

Evan Gattis had 566 ABs last year for Houston with a .246 BA. Should Houston implement a DH for their DH? Hell, A-Rod batted .250, Billy Butler .251... That's 3 DHs that MadBum nearly outhit, and one of those is a Yankee (admittedly, another is Billy freakin' Butler, who I'm constantly amazed has a job).

In short, I'm totally against the DH for the NL. However, since it looks like inter-league games are here to stay, I guess it does make sense.

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Tell you one thing. With all of this regular interleague play, the DH should be mandatory whenever AL and NL teams meet, regardless of ballpark.

I was just thinking about Chien-Ming Wang the other day. Back-to-back 19 win seasons in 2006 and 2007 and off to an 8-2 start in 2008. The Yankees were in Houston playing a meaningless game (the Astros were still in the NL that season) and pounding the crap out of them, 13 to 0.

So Wang is out there, running the bases during an eight-run sixth inning, when he sprains his foot. Worse than that, he's torn some ligaments.

His season was over and he's never been the same since. The next year, we was 1-6 with an ERA of 9.64 and the Yankees let him go. He's bounced around with the Nationals and Blue Jays and is currently somewhere in the Royals farm system.

All because he had to run the bases because the Yankees were playing without a DH because somebody thought interleague play was a good idea.

Before you object and say, "Base running is part of the game, Bru," consider this: It's not fair to have base running be NOT part of the game in your league, if you are a pitcher, then be told to get out there and run because the team is in Houston for three days for the first time in years, if ever.

Either get rid of the DH, or standardize it. Until then, make it mandatory for interleague play.
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Always delighted to comment on this topic.
i am a fan of both leagues and I understand the AL is not going to change back to no-DH, but if I were the omnipotent czar of MLB, I would eliminate the DH , my apologies to one-dimensional players making an excellent living as a DH

Bring it to the NL ?? Nooooo Wayyyy !

Baseball for many of us means you have to be able to play a position, you are a hitter not a ball player if you are a DH. Great hitter with a bad glove means you are going to help and hurt your team, sometimes on the same day, but that is part of the game
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Leave it as is. Everybody gets what they want that way. The Natural League and the Artificial League, lol.
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Hmmm, 100 yrs from now, people playing OOTP 117 will be screaming for more accurate historical use of DH by the AI on Saturday day games in NL Parks when it's overcast.
Oh, man, Markus Codebot 12.0 is going to make a great game! But the real debate will be whether the old robot leagues should be included or not!
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Tell you one thing. With all of this regular interleague play, the DH should be mandatory whenever AL and NL teams meet, regardless of ballpark.

I was just thinking about Chien-Ming Wang the other day. Back-to-back 19 win seasons in 2006 and 2007 and off to an 8-2 start in 2008. The Yankees were in Houston playing a meaningless game (the Astros were still in the NL that season) and pounding the crap out of them, 13 to 0.

So Wang is out there, running the bases during an eight-run sixth inning, when he sprains his foot. Worse than that, he's torn some ligaments.

His season was over and he's never been the same since. The next year, we was 1-6 with an ERA of 9.64 and the Yankees let him go. He's bounced around with the Nationals and Blue Jays and is currently somewhere in the Royals farm system.

All because he had to run the bases because the Yankees were playing without a DH because somebody thought interleague play was a good idea.

Before you object and say, "Base running is part of the game, Bru," consider this: It's not fair to have base running be NOT part of the game in your league, if you are a pitcher, then be told to get out there and run because the team is in Houston for three days for the first time in years, if ever.

Either get rid of the DH, or standardize it. Until then, make it mandatory for interleague play.

You're missing the better option which is get rid of interleague play entirely. I enjoy the fact that each league has it's own flavor. That is something that should be embraced not "standardized." I also enjoy watching managers agonize over whether or not let a pitcher hit in an important situation or pull him in a close game. It makes it more fun for me to couch manage.

However, if we're going to keep interleague play... making the DH mandatory would be an advantage for the AL who is used to playing with that style and employ a full time hitter at DH. Leaving things as they are is really the most fair option. I don't see how it would make sense to force NL teams to play AL style ball to offset a tiny chance an AL pitcher might get hurt running the bases.

To me the best option is just drop interleague play. Keep the different league identities and everyone is happy.
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