Stretching out a pitcher

Sandberg · 12-03-2011, 05:01 PM

For two seasons I've been running an experiment in Asahi2 with drafted pitcher Adam Wainwright. He imported with 4 above average pitches but only a 1 in stamina. I've slowly but surely been increasing his pitch count in the minors with LEGENDARY pitching coaches watching over him. Surely his ratings should be improving, and his stamina should be increasing as well. After 2 seasons he has seen very little growth and his stamina still stuck on 1, despite the fact of throwing as many as 90 pitches in a start. I've concluded, at least within this short period, two things:

1) Stamina doesn't improve
2) Coaches really have little impact on development (I've actually NEVER seen evidence in ANY version of OOTP where a good coach impacts development)

I would like to see a direct correlation between coaching abilities and the development of players. I would also like to see pitchers improve in overall stamina if being stretched into a starter.

Here is a link to my "experiment":

Asahi2 League Forums • View topic - The Adam Wainwright Project

wpfossil · 12-03-2011, 07:23 PM

Sounds like a good idea. I look for areas to micromanage in the minors, but if what you're saying is true I don't think I'll try working on making a reliever a starter.

RonP · 01-03-2012, 12:45 AM

Its also too bad that a legendary coach has no effect on the situation. I didn't know that and am sorry to find it out. That may be changed at some point.
RP

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 01-03-2012, 11:03 AM

The quality of coaches has some effect, but it is not intended to be a very dramatic effect, I think. Between the variety of coaches and the random talent bumps or hits that occur through the development process, it's hard to say definitively what a single experiment like this proves.

Overkill · 01-03-2012, 06:47 PM

How are Wainwright's work ethic and intelligence? I'm not sure how much of an effect these ratings would have on his improvement.

Marinersfan51 · 01-03-2012, 08:21 PM

Pitchers should be able to be stretched into starters, my proposal to solve this problem is the "Pitcher Development" thread. I haven't seen any noticeable impact from coaches either.

12-03-2011, 05:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sandberg Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 317 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Stretching out a pitcher For two seasons I've been running an experiment in Asahi2 with drafted pitcher Adam Wainwright. He imported with 4 above average pitches but only a 1 in stamina. I've slowly but surely been increasing his pitch count in the minors with LEGENDARY pitching coaches watching over him. Surely his ratings should be improving, and his stamina should be increasing as well. After 2 seasons he has seen very little growth and his stamina still stuck on 1, despite the fact of throwing as many as 90 pitches in a start. I've concluded, at least within this short period, two things: 1) Stamina doesn't improve 2) Coaches really have little impact on development (I've actually NEVER seen evidence in ANY version of OOTP where a good coach impacts development) I would like to see a direct correlation between coaching abilities and the development of players. I would also like to see pitchers improve in overall stamina if being stretched into a starter. Here is a link to my "experiment": Asahi2 League Forums • View topic - The Adam Wainwright Project __________________ Shawn Dylla Baseball Maelstrom - Twins Asahi 2 Baseball - Rangers CBL Rewind - Twins Last edited by Sandberg; 12-03-2011 at 05:03 PM.

01-03-2012, 11:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cinnamon J. Scudworth Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 297 Thanks: 34 Thanked 79x in 57 posts	The quality of coaches has some effect, but it is not intended to be a very dramatic effect, I think. Between the variety of coaches and the random talent bumps or hits that occur through the development process, it's hard to say definitively what a single experiment like this proves. __________________ "Sometimes, this is like going to a grocery store. You’ve got a list until you get to the check-out stand. And then you start reading People magazine, and all this other [stuff] ends up in the basket." -Sandy Alderson on the MLB offseason

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Overkill Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 142 Thanks: 11 Thanked 12x in 8 posts	How are Wainwright's work ethic and intelligence? I'm not sure how much of an effect these ratings would have on his improvement. __________________ Check out my blog. I've had opinions for a long time, but never really voiced them so I thought I'd give it a shot to see if other people agree. If you read, please feel free to comment. MLB Theorem

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12-03-2011, 07:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
wpfossil Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 14 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Sounds like a good idea. I look for areas to micromanage in the minors, but if what you're saying is true I don't think I'll try working on making a reliever a starter.

01-03-2012, 12:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
RonP Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 74 Thanks: 47 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Its also too bad that a legendary coach has no effect on the situation. I didn't know that and am sorry to find it out. That may be changed at some point. RP

01-03-2012, 08:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
Marinersfan51 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 223 Thanks: 90 Thanked 29x in 26 posts	Pitchers should be able to be stretched into starters, my proposal to solve this problem is the "Pitcher Development" thread. I haven't seen any noticeable impact from coaches either.