I don't want to be manager of the year

[ctorg]

I hire a manager. He manages the team. And then, at the end of the year, I (not he) win manager of the year. That should not happen. Executive of the year? Sure. I'll take that. But I am not the manager. I am the GM. I shouldn't be getting that award!

[SandMan]

The game should have two modes. Manager and General Manager. I GM my teams also and hate having my record appear as though I am the Manager.

[ctorg]

It kind of does have those modes. It's just that you can only be a "manager" of a minor league team for some reason. Might as well enable that for the majors as well.

[SandMan]

The way the game plays now is that the GM record is displayed in history as the Manager. I would like to see two different modes. I want to only be the GM not the manager. I supply the team with players the AI manager manages the games (SIM). As it is now the GM is also the manager in the history.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by SandMan

The way the game plays now is that the GM record is displayed in history as the Manager. I would like to see two different modes. I want to only be the GM not the manager. I supply the team with players the AI manager manages the games (SIM). As it is now the GM is also the manager in the history.

This has always bugged me. If I'm running a team, I hire a manager, but the GM spot is vacant. So that means I'm the GM, right? Wrong, I'm the GM and the manager. That doesn't make any sense. And in a dynasty, where no one (except owners, for some reason) dies, I stay the manager well into my 100s. And so you get this: "Joefromchicago has won his fourteenth manager of the year award at the age of 147. 'I'm really looking forward to next year,' said the manager." Yeah, I'll bet.

[SandMan]

I have brought this up on a few occasions over the last couple of years and usually no one replies on the thread. We might be the minority when it comes to this issue. I would like the game reflect me as the GM and not the Manager since I don't manage the games. I let the AI run things.

[Chicagofan76]

Originally Posted by SandMan

The game should have two modes. Manager and General Manager. I GM my teams also and hate having my record appear as though I am the Manager.

For most of my leagues I am the GM, the Manager and the star RF or SP, but I would like to see Executive of the Year award which I as GM would qualify for and MOTY which I could also win.It is annoying that I as a gm win MOTY award.

[Cras]

I have been asking for this for several years now and have always been ignored.

It would have been fine if manager of the year award was able to be hand picked like the other awards for top batter, pitcher, and fielder. But we can't. I find I have to delete my digital self and replace it with a new one so my huge win total that gets accumulated doesn't totally botch up the managerial leader board.

The game should recognize when I hire a field manager, and act accordingly. The way the game is and has been in this area always appeared sloppy and unfinished to me.

[Cinnamon J. Scudworth]

I guess coming from a Civilization/Hearts of Iron strategy background, none of this really strikes me as odd. You have multiple roles in OOTP, because you are basically God of your baseball franchise, not exclusively the GM or the manager (or even the combination of both). You can choose to act like an approximation of the GM or the manager (or a combination of both) based on your personal preferences. I don't really see the point of separating it into strict "modes" because sometimes in the course of the same franchise I may feel like taking a more hands-on managerial role, and sometimes not.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by ctorg

It kind of does have those modes.

With "kind of" being the operative words in that the idea hasn't really been worked through to its logical conclusion. So you end up with the sort of thing you mentioned. There has been discussion on refining the role aspect more, it's just not as yet led to any specific changes.

Incidentally, I would say there are three distinct roles: manager, general manager, and owner.

In that latter role you decide strictly you'd be responsible for hiring and firing an AI general manager and manager, set the ticket prices, decide how much profit you want to take out of the club, whether to put additional funds into the operation, set the performance target for the club, etc. (You could also choose to be an interfering owner, and demand that certain players be benched, traded, and so forth.)

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

With "kind of" being the operative words in that the idea hasn't really been worked through to its logical conclusion. So you end up with the sort of thing you mentioned. There has been discussion on refining the role aspect more, it's just not as yet led to any specific changes.

Incidentally, I would say there are three distinct roles: manager, general manager, and owner.

In that latter role you decide strictly you'd be responsible for hiring and firing an AI general manager and manager, set the ticket prices, decide how much profit you want to take out of the club, whether to put additional funds into the operation, set the performance target for the club, etc. (You could also choose to be an interfering owner, and demand that certain players be benched, traded, and so forth.)

While we're on the topic, a fourth mode I'd love to see is that of an agent. I always thought ITP Baseball from a few years ago was a good idea that Markus just didn't really pursue fully. But rather than act as a single player, it would be more interesting to act as an agent and have a number of players who would hire you based on your track record to get them good deals. Guys could say, "I want to play for a winning team" or "I want the most money" or whatever and you'd go try to make it happen.

But that's an aside.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by Cinnamon J. Scudworth

I guess coming from a Civilization/Hearts of Iron strategy background, none of this really strikes me as odd. You have multiple roles in OOTP, because you are basically God of your baseball franchise, not exclusively the GM or the manager (or even the combination of both). You can choose to act like an approximation of the GM or the manager (or a combination of both) based on your personal preferences. I don't really see the point of separating it into strict "modes" because sometimes in the course of the same franchise I may feel like taking a more hands-on managerial role, and sometimes not.

The issue to me is that you actually hire a manager. Sure, as GM you may be extremely hands on. You may play out every game and make all the decisions. But the team has a manager, and it's not you. He's the guy who gives the pep talks and deals with the players directly. He may be your puppet. He may make every call based on a secret cell phone conversation with you in the dugout. He may be your mind-controlled zombie. But he's the manager, so he's the one who should get the award. Or the game could just let someone take the dual role of GM/manager or something.

[Cinnamon J. Scudworth]

Well, from that perspective it's really more of a side-effect of the coaching model (which I get around by simply turning off ). If the game is to model coaching, then every AI team needs a manager, and so it's sort of "unfair" to not force the player to have to spend money on a manager for his team, too, even if he is only a puppet. I can see the point about the award the player may get not being called the "manager of the year award," though.

[Marinersfan51]

+1 to all of the above

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by Cras

The game should recognize when I hire a field manager, and act accordingly. The way the game is and has been in this area always appeared sloppy and unfinished to me.

The handling of manager stats and histories has always looked like an afterthought (although they're much better than histories for owners, which are non-existent). There's vast room for improvement here.

If I recall correctly, manager profiles used to show only a person's managerial record. People complained that there was no way to know how a person performed as a coach, so coach histories were added, but now there's no way to edit the view to show only the managerial record, so anyone interested in just the manager's record has to sort it out from among all of the coaching stats. The won-lost totals on the manager profile page show only the managerial record, but in the manager histories, the entire coaching record is thrown together, which means that you can easily check on the managerial records for current managers but, for retired managers, you have to make the calculations yourself.

And that's not even getting into all of the problems with the manager-of-the-year award, such as awards earned by retiring managers being given to their successors (I thought that was supposed to be fixed in one of the latest updates, but it happened to me twice in the last week, so it's definitely not fixed).

There should be a way to sort team personnel statistics the same way that a user can sort player statistics. Separate totals should be viewable for different jobs: i.e. all manager won-lost totals separate from hitting coach totals, etc. MOTY awards should be listed along with the other awards on the awards page (or on a separate page, like the gold glove awards). And, finally, if a user is acting in owner/GM mode, the manager should be getting the MOTY award, not the user, and the MOTY awards should be noted on that manager's history page.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

And that's not even getting into all of the problems with the manager-of-the-year award, such as awards earned by retiring managers being given to their successors (I thought that was supposed to be fixed in one of the latest updates, but it happened to me twice in the last week, so it's definitely not fixed).

I'd kind of rather not have the award in there than have it the way it is now, especially when things like this happen. If I could turn it off, I would. If nothing else, I wish we could edit who gets it.