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[mh2365]

Originally Posted by YankeePride

I've already made the decision to close my eyes whenever Crawford has the ball.

LMAO

[toolboxnj]

At least was somewhat entertaining tonight. Maybe it was the Bobcats, but the Knicks played decent defense in the second half.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by mh2365

And considering the offspring Williams' DNA spawned I'd say his DNA was a little tainted

Yeah, that's an intelligent comment. Look. I am not saying that Isiah is a nice guy or anything. He's a normal-sized person playing a tall person's game, and he became one of the best of his kind in the history of the league despite having just about nothing in his childhood. We're talking about a guy who was absolutely driven, whose own practice habits made Michael Jordan's look like what everybody seems to think Allen Iverson's are. And he was a monster of a competitor.

What makes a player great also makes him the kind of person you don't want to be around. Yes, Isiah is a complete jerk. The same could be said about pretty much every other or every 3rd superstar in any sport. Ted Williams I mentioned (by the way, an absolutely horrendous manager who thought that all pitchers are idiots), but see also Mickey Mantle and his drinking and womanizing, Steve Carlton's own prickly relationship with the press, Babe Ruth's rather large opinion of himself in his later days, and George Mikan nearly destroying the ABA when he led it. Frank Frisch single-handedly ruined the baseball Hall of Fame. And on another level, you've got Ty Cobb, Wilt Chamberlain, OJ Simpson, Denny McLain, Rogers Hornsby (who, as a manager, apparently made a habit peeing on a pitcher after he had a rough outing - I've yet to hear about Isiah doing anything like that), Pete Rose, King Kelly, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and a whole host of others.

Are all those guys "wastes of DNA"? Hell no. We excuse them because they were so great to watch in their respective field. If we're smart we don't let them anywhere near our teams once they're done playing, but we still remember their good points on the court long after they're gone.

The problem with Isiah as a GM and head coach is *exactly* what made him a great player. The kind of ultra-competitiveness that made him so easy to offend (think Joey Porter, only 10 times more outrageous) also raised his game. When you become a coach, though, you can't have that mentality. Some (few) people grow into a role like that. Isiah I don't think is going to because he's already expended so much energy becoming the man that he is.

[yankeesrule]

You forgot to mention how Isaih destroyed an entire league as well as being horrendous with 2 prior GM spots, yet still somehow got hired as the Knicks GM

[1998 Yankees]

What, me worry? Of course the Knicks beat the lowly Bobcats. All it took was double-overtime and a circus act tip-in with 0.1 seconds left on the clock. No problem! (What a play by Lee and Crawford, though!)

Originally Posted by YankeePride

I've already made the decision to close my eyes whenever Crawford has the ball.

This guy has to learn about shot selection. For all the good stuff he does (see above), he hurts the Knicks regularly with his selfish over-confidence. This business must stop of handing him the ball with 20 seconds left, running down the clock to two seconds, then putting up a bomb or dishing off to somebody else who has to rush a shot. It works once in a while but not often enough and it's bad basketball.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by yankeesrule

You forgot to mention how Isaih destroyed an entire league as well as being horrendous with 2 prior GM spots, yet still somehow got hired as the Knicks GM

...which is more or less what George Mikan did. Again, "waste of DNA" how?

[yankeesrule]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

...which is more or less what George Mikan did. Again, "waste of DNA" how?

Dont know Mikan's history but did he f over 2 teams as well as destroy an entire league?

[yankeesrule]

While on the topic of the Knicks, gotta love their fans gloating to MJ after the game. All he hasto do is turn around and show him the bling on his fingers to shutup any knick fan, or simply remind them of how many times he came into the garden and shat all over them

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

...which is more or less what George Mikan did. Again, "waste of DNA" how?

Just so we are clear .. you think it's okay to be a complete and utter *** to everyone you ever meet as long as you can play point guard?

Never said a single thing about his ability to play basketball. He took my beloved IU to a title. Then of course being the great individual he is said the entire state of Indiana is racist and he hoped to never return. Only to come and beg to coach the Pacers.

He's a piece of crap and Karma is repeatedly kicking him in the butt now. Just like it did when repeatedly talked crap about Bird and made racist comment after racist comment about him then was surprised when Bird fired him.

Being able to dribble a basketball is no excuse for being a horrible person.

[Melo]

isiah thomasbad gm

ok thx i am out

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Melo

I'm a Knick fan.

It pains me to see the team this way. The team has been run right into the ground. It's fallen and can't get up.

Yesterday, I heard an interview with Walt Frazier. He's written a book about how basketball should be played. He's also the color man on MSG which does the Knick games. How a guy who was a great of the game; a guy who had talent AND desire can comment on this team year after year without sticking needles in his eyes is beyond me.

I love Clyde. Anyone that thinks everything under the sun rhymes just so long as you turn it into a verb and add 'ing' is OK in my book.

[mh2365]

The Knicks can get up if they were to get rid of Isiah the Lousy and trade the 14 point guards he gave up the farm for. Also quite throwing their top draft pick away on used to be's and never wuz's.

Bet Frazier is sick to his stomach every night.

[CONN CHRIS]

If it weren't for Clyde, I wouldn't have any interest at all in the Knicks. I occasionally tune them in just to get a shot of Frazier.

If there is a cooler dude on the planet, it'd be news to me.

[Melo]

I wish I was a little older so I could more fully appreciated the impact that Clyde and Joe Willie had on NYC back in the day. Man, those two were the epitome of Cool.

[toolboxnj]

Yea, if it wasn't for Clyde I wouldn't watch too many games.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

If it weren't for Clyde, I wouldn't have any interest at all in the Knicks. I occasionally tune them in just to get a shot of Frazier.

If there is a cooler dude on the planet, it'd be news to me.

Yeah, Kevin Calabro is like that with the Sonics. FWIW, Frazier wrote the "Complete Idiot's Guide to Basketball", which is like Joe Morgan's baseball book only worth reading.

[YankeePride]

Originally Posted by yankeesrule

Dont know Mikan's history but did he f over 2 teams as well as destroy an entire league?

I don't understand why people say this.

The Pacers were competitive when Thomas coached them.

He also drafted most of the franchise in Toronto and they were a playoff team long before West finally came on board and made Memphis/Vancouver a playoff team.

Granted it was in the East, but he was still successful.

Now, the CBA, that's a different story. But, I remember that league already falling apart before Thomas bought the league to try and save it.

[1998 Yankees]

Knicks on a three-game winning streak?!?!?

They need to figure out how much of this is inspired play by who is left on the squad, and how much of this is due to the players who are NOT playing right now.

And whether this success is momentary. I recall a six-game winning streak (was it six?) last January in the middle of an otherwise terrible season.

[yankeesrule]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Knicks on a three-game winning streak?!?!?

They need to figure out how much of this is inspired play by who is left on the squad, and how much of this is due to the players who are NOT playing right now.

And whether this success is momentary. I recall a six-game winning streak (was it six?) last January in the middle of an otherwise terrible season.

Think the streak was at the end of december maybe. Pretty sure it ended with Starbury claiming to be the greatest PG.

Maybe this will start a trend. Team in a slump, just start a brawl. Its the next NBA fad

[toolboxnj]

Played pretty well against the Pistons tonight