Talk Sports' Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[Raderick]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

Wandy and Shogun account for three of Rampage's losses...

Wandy is on a losing streak and the concern that Wandy's best friend is the steroids, and Shogun just got the **** beat out of him by Griffin.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Raderick

Wandy is on a losing streak and the concern that Wandy's best friend is the steroids, and Shogun just got the **** beat out of him by Griffin.

Wandy might indeed be spent. We'll find out a lot about that next month.

But I'm not ready to write Shogun off. He was probably overconfident going into the last fight and didn't train as he should've, especially with getting married and all right before the fight. If he fixes that problem, he could be a contender.

[KurtBevacqua]

Anyone watch the IFL, that MMA league? I think the concept is pretty goofy, but there are some pretty good fighters in their. I saw this guy, Adam Lynn, the other night who impressed the heck out of me. I was surprised to see his record was only 11-8. Very nice form.

[marioh]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Ugh, Sean Salmon just got knocked out with a sick Knee to the neck at the Strikeforce event tonight. It looked pretty bad.

The worst part is he had a seizure after the KO. Overall, it wasn't a bad event. The stream was excellent and the majority of the fights were entertaining.

Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

Anyone watch the IFL, that MMA league? I think the concept is pretty goofy, but there are some pretty good fighters in their. I saw this guy, Adam Lynn, the other night who impressed the heck out of me. I was surprised to see his record was only 11-8. Very nice form.

The IFL is thinking about switching from a city based team concept to a gym based team concept, which is what I thought they should've done in the first place. Sadly, the IFL is a publicly traded company, and their financials are absolutely abysmal, and I doubt they'll still be around come this time next year.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by marioh

The worst part is he had a seizure after the KO. Overall, it wasn't a bad event. The stream was excellent and the majority of the fights were entertaining.


The IFL is thinking about switching from a city based team concept to a gym based team concept, which is what I thought they should've done in the first place. Sadly, the IFL is a publicly traded company, and their financials are absolutely abysmal, and I doubt they'll still be around come this time next year.

His brother is denying that he ever had a seizure, but yeah that was brutal. I, on the other had, thought the card was horrible. The Middleweight finals was ok, but overall, I thought the majority of the fights were boring. And it's tough for me to take a MMA orginization seriously when they have different rules for different fights on the same card. And I'm not talking about the the Tournament fights. They had one fight that had three 3-minute rounds. Oh yeah, and Cecil Peoples sucks as a judge and ref.

[marioh]

Originally Posted by Mike D

His brother is denying that he ever had a seizure, but yeah that was brutal. I, on the other had, thought the card was horrible. The Middleweight finals was ok, but overall, I thought the majority of the fights were boring. And it's tough for me to take a MMA orginization seriously when they have different rules for different fights on the same card. And I'm not talking about the the Tournament fights. They had one fight that had three 3-minute rounds. Oh yeah, and Cecil Peoples sucks as a judge and ref.

The 3 minute/3 round fight was for a fight between 2 fighters who were making their MMA debuts, IIRC. It was easily the worst fight of the night.
I didn't find the other fights boring. There were no decisions (besides the poke in the eye decision). The matchups weren't all that great (besides the MW tourny), but it was a much better event than the last Yahoo streamed Strikeforce event (the one at the Playboy mansion).

Re: Cecil....it's much better to have him as a ref than a judge. But I have to agree with you on that point.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by marioh

The 3 minute/3 round fight was for a fight between 2 fighters who were making their MMA debuts, IIRC. It was easily the worst fight of the night.
I didn't find the other fights boring. There were no decisions (besides the poke in the eye decision). The matchups weren't all that great (besides the MW tourny), but it was a much better event than the last Yahoo streamed Strikeforce event (the one at the Playboy mansion).

Re: Cecil....it's much better to have him as a ref than a judge. But I have to agree with you on that point.

Oh no doubt it was better than the Playboy mansion event. But it did all it could to drive me to watch something else instead. I just didn't find any of the fights that interesting.

[Raderick]

UFC 78 Was kinda just a blah show. But I'm kinda surprised that there wasn't anyone there trying to hype up UFC 79.

and someone should invent a mute button just for Joe Rogan.

[Romdawg88]

UFC 78 wasn't their worst show but wasn't their best either. It was just kind of there. The undercard bouts were better then the main card. Oh yeah, a bit of news that came out of the post-event press conference coming in March their putting a little title fight between a couple of guys y'all might have heard of, Anderson Silva vs Dan Henderson at UFC 82.

[Raderick]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

UFC 78 wasn't their worst show but wasn't their best either. It was just kind of there. The undercard bouts were better then the main card. Oh yeah, a bit of news that came out of the post-event press conference coming in March their putting a little title fight between a couple of guys y'all might have heard of, Anderson Silva vs Dan Henderson at UFC 82.

That match was bound to happen.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by Raderick

That match was bound to happen.

Still surprised though, since Henderson has said on a couple of occasions that he doesn't want to go back to Middleweight and that he also has only one fight left on his UFC contract and didn't like their proposal. That's not to say they won't announce a new deal soon, but it is surprising that they would give him the fight first. And he is the reigning Pride champ for that weight class, correct? Is this going to be another unifying fight?

[Raderick]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Still surprised though, since Henderson has said on a couple of occasions that he doesn't want to go back to Middleweight and that he also has only one fight left on his UFC contract and didn't like their proposal. That's not to say they won't announce a new deal soon, but it is surprising that they would give him the fight first. And he is the reigning Pride champ for that weight class, correct? Is this going to be another unifying fight?

Well, if Henderson wins the MW belt, his current contract continues due to the champions clause.

And to answer if the match will unify the PRIDE 183lbs and UFC MW belt, we don't know yet. But for it to truly be a unification match, both belts are up for grabs, and the losers belt gets absorbed into the winners belt. So if Henderson beats Silva, and if it was a real unification match, the UFC MW belt would be absorbed into the PRIDE 183lbs belt and would continue on, but Dana won't let that happen, for obvious reasons.

[Erik W.]

Holding the entire welterweight division hostage for TUF really seems like an even better idea now, doesn't it? If they hold firm with the idea of GSP not fighting until it's for the title, that means it could be almost a year between fights for him, as well as close to a year between Serra winning the title and him finally defending it, depending on how long his injury puts him out for.

I'm a Dana defender most of the time, but this puts even more light on just how stupid holding up the division for TUF was.

UFC 79 looks like a much weaker card now, too.

[Romdawg88]

Putting the WW title on freeze for TUF was a stupid move from the beginning and Serra getting hurt just makes it look worse. If Hughes is still going to fight on the card they need to give him someone like GSP or Fitch. If they want to save Hughes give us GSP/Fitch for the number one contendership match. I have faith that the UFC that the can find a good replacement match as they've done a good job of it lately.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

If they want to save Hughes give us GSP/Fitch for the number one contendership match.

That would be pretty unfair to GSP since he was told he has the next shot.

Granted, not having him fight for a year isn't great either. But going back on their word when it comes to a title shot is worse.

[Romdawg88]

True but they don't have many choices and someone is going to have to get screw since Hughes was promised a title shot next as well. They could have Fitch fight another 170 contender but none are available. Karo just fought and has a broken hand, Diego already lost to Fitch, Kos won't fight Fitch because their teammates.

I guess they could just book a fight in another weightclass but who could they use. Rampage, Griffin, Penn, Stevenson, Franklin, Ortiz, Shogun, AA, Marquart, Gonzaga, and Henderson are all booked to fight soon, hurt, or in a contract dispute. So unless the UFC goes all PRIDE and calls up Silva and Okami and tells them they fighting in Dec for the MW title I can't think of a bigger matchup then them making something out of Hughes/GSP/Fitch.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

I guess they could just book a fight in another weightclass but who could they use. Rampage, Griffin, Penn, Stevenson, Franklin, Ortiz, Shogun, AA, Marquart, Gonzaga, and Henderson are all booked to fight soon, hurt, or in a contract dispute.

Moving a match forward wouldn't be any worse than booking Fitch/GSP in terms of training time. As that goes, it might be the better option. GSP has been told he isn't fighting again until late winter or early spring, even before the Serra injury, so he's probably nowhere near fighting shape right now. At least the others are actually thinking about fighting.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

Moving a match forward wouldn't be any worse than booking Fitch/GSP in terms of training time. As that goes, it might be the better option. GSP has been told he isn't fighting again until late winter or early spring, even before the Serra injury, so he's probably nowhere near fighting shape right now. At least the others are actually thinking about fighting.

What fight do you move forward though? Moving Penn/Stevenson to UFC 79 would seem to make sense since both have been training and it would give you a title fight but then you don't have a main event for UFC 80 and with the rumors that it might end up on CBS I'm sure Dana will want a title fight on the card. Maybe Werdum/Gonzaga instead. Now that I think about it I wouldn't be suprised if they just say screw it move Wandy/Chuck to the main event and throw together some random LW fights for the openers. Hey, maybe Tyson Griffin is ready so we can see if he can put on another FOTYC.

You know this whole situation makes me love Anderson Silva even more. All the other champs are either hurt or not fighting due to outside crap while Silva is rolling along, bringing the fun, and crushing everyone.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Now that I think about it I wouldn't be suprised if they just say screw it move Wandy/Chuck to the main event and throw together some random LW fights for the openers.

I think that's the most likely scenario.

You know this whole situation makes me love Anderson Silva even more. All the other champs are either hurt or not fighting due to outside crap while Silva is rolling along, bringing the fun, and crushing everyone.

Silva is a monster. Even though he's completely trashed one of my favorite fighters twice, I can't find anything bad to say about the guy. He's extremely likable in and out of the ring.

[Raderick]

Hughes vs. GSP III is on in place of Serra-Hughes for the interm welterweight strap.