Talk Sports' Mixed Martial Arts Thread

Raderick · 05-17-2007, 08:17 AM

Since we already have our own little European Footy thread, a MMA thread is in need.

Raderick · 05-17-2007, 08:18 AM

It's nice to see most of the major sports outlets finally catch on the UFC bandwagon. I am worried that UFC is starting to get oversaturated. Dave Meltzer's WON made mention of something around the range of 40 hours of UFC content in one week! :ahhh:

Erik W. · 05-17-2007, 08:32 AM

I'm not sure you can oversaturate a legitimate sport, as long as you keep showing new fights and not just re-hashing old ones Unleashed-style.

LFC1892 · 05-18-2007, 09:57 AM

When does Kimbo Slice fight old man Mercer?

marioh · 05-22-2007, 11:39 AM

There's not enough interest in MMA here, so I goto sherdog for all my MMA news, gossip, chat, etc..

Erik W. · 05-22-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by marioh

There's not enough interest in MMA here, so I goto sherdog for all my MMA news, gossip, chat, etc..

Sherdog is a pit of stupidity.

I go to MMANews.com for forums. Their news portion has all of the journalistic credibility of the New York Post, maybe even less, but their forums tend to not be as full of "lol stfu white belt (swear word thrown in to act tough)".

marioh · 05-22-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

Sherdog is a pit of stupidity.

I go to MMANews.com for forums. Their news portion has all of the journalistic credibility of the New York Post, maybe even less, but their forums tend to not be as full of "lol stfu white belt (swear word thrown in to act tough)".

Yes, one must sift through the garbage at Sherdog in order to get to the relevant information. But just about any message board with that many members will have their share of idiots. Plus, it is a MMA message board, not a nuclear physics message board, so expectations of it should be adjusted due to the type of members a MMA message board will attract.

Of course stupidity will run rampant on a board that currently has over 3,000 users on line right now, compared to one that has all of 76 at this moment.

Erik W. · 05-25-2007, 06:46 AM

OK, tomorrow is the "big" night. Predictions?

The main event is a tough one to call. Upsets have been the order of 2007, but Chuck isn't exactly an unproven champion. However, if Rampage can get in on him and execute one of his big slams on him, we could certainly have a new light heavyweight champion for the first time in awhile.

My prediction: Chuck retains via TKO. If Rampage had a stronger chin, I'd be giving the edge to him based on being a more multi-dimensional fighter. But if wishes were nickels, I'd be a millionaire. This time Chuck is in the cage on home turf rather than in a ring in Japan. I'll be rooting for Rampage, but I don't see it happening.

Then again, 2007 has shown you just never know until someone's hand is raised.

Also, it's been confirmed that Shogun is now a UFC fighter. It was also said, during the same Dana White conference call, that someone will be there to call out the winner of Jackson/Liddell. Will that person be Shogun, or a surprise challenger?

If Shogun gets next shot, can either Rampage or Liddell actually beat him? (I say no, unless he comes down with a case of Cro Cop Syndrome and refuses to train in a cage or prepare for things like elbows. I can't see Chute Boxe letting that happen, though.)

Raderick · 05-25-2007, 06:50 AM

I have a hunch that Rampage takes the light heavyweight belt in a 4th round KO.

Raderick · 05-25-2007, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

Also, it's been confirmed that Shogun is now a UFC fighter. It was also said, during the same Dana White conference call, that someone will be there to call out the winner of Jackson/Liddell. Will that person be Shogun, or a surprise challenger?

If Shogun gets next shot, can either Rampage or Liddell actually beat him? (I say no, unless he comes down with a case of Cro Cop Syndrome and refuses to train in a cage or prepare for things like elbows. I can't see Chute Boxe letting that happen, though.)

I only see the signing of Shogun Rua as a way to give Liddell fresh meat if Liddell does come out of UFC 71 as champion, since he has already defeated everyone that Dana White has put in front of him and then some.

marioh · 06-15-2007, 09:26 AM

Royce Gracie failed the drug test for the past K1 Dynamite event for steroids.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=7908

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Mixed martial arts icon Royce Gracie (Pictures), best known as the slender gi-wearing Brazilian who twisted oversized competitors into knots during the early days of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, tested positive for traces of Nandrolone, a commonly used anabolic steroid, following his decision win over Kazushi Sakuraba (Pictures), June 2 in Los Angeles, the California State Athletic Commission revealed Thursday.

Gracie (14-3-3) has been suspended from June 2, 2007 through May 30, 2008, and is fined $2,500, the maximum penalty by the CSAC. The 40-year-old member of the legendary fighting family has until July 13 to appeal the suspension to the CSAC.

I learned about this last night, and I'm still stunned today. A bad day for MMA.

Raderick · 06-15-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by marioh

Royce Gracie failed the drug test for the past K1 Dynamite event for steroids.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=7908

I learned about this last night, and I'm still stunned today. A bad day for MMA.

Gracie's MMA career in North America is probably done.

darkenigma510 · 06-15-2007, 12:08 PM

so what does UFC's purchase of Pride mean for MMA fans? Positive or negative?

Erik W. · 06-15-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by darkenigma510

so what does UFC's purchase of Pride mean for MMA fans? Positive or negative?

While there are diehard Pride fans that declare it the end of MMA, overall it's good for the sport. Having all, or most, of the top fighters under one umbrella means more exciting fights for fans.

Seeing "Shogun" Rua, Fedor, etc. (P. Rico... oops, channeled the grrrr for a moment there) fighting the UFC's top guys will be awesome.

Raderick · 06-15-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by darkenigma510

so what does UFC's purchase of Pride mean for MMA fans? Positive or negative?

Pretty much what Erik said, but there are still ongoing rumors that PRIDE will end up being merged into the UFC rather than running their own shows under the PRIDE Worldwide Holdings company that was proposed back when the deal was finalized.

Erik W. · 06-15-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raderick

Pretty much what Erik said, but there are still ongoing rumors that PRIDE will end up being merged into the UFC rather than running their own shows under the PRIDE Worldwide Holdings company that was proposed back when the deal was finalized.

I'm unconvinced that that would be a bad thing. Pride as we knew it is dead and gone, and was even before UFC purchased them. So if it's not going to be good ol' Pride, why not have all the best in one place?

I just hope they're successful in getting knees on the ground sanctioned.

Raderick · 09-23-2007, 07:58 PM

It's official: The Light Heavyweight division is in turmoil. Jardine beats Chuck Liddell via split decision, Marucio Rua, who Dana White was hyping up to run over everyone was taken out in convincing fashion by Forest Griffin. Lyoto Machida defeated who I thought was one of the most underrated LHWs in Kazuhiro Nakamura.

So yeah, I guess Wanderlei Silva is next in line from the get-go?

Romdawg88 · 09-23-2007, 09:34 PM

The UFC 205 division is a mess right now with no clear number 1 contender. Wandy is on a two fight losing streak, Liddell is nowhere near the title picture, and Forrest and Jardine need one or two more wins. The way I see it the UFC can either make something like Forrest/Jardine II or Forrest/Wandy or something like that in December and throw Rampage someone like Lyoto Machida or Houston Alexander in January or they can put the title on hold for a few months until they get it sorted out.

Raderick · 09-23-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

The UFC 205 division is a mess right now with no clear number 1 contender. Wandy is on a two fight losing streak, Liddell is nowhere near the title picture, and Forrest and Jardine need one or two more wins. The way I see it the UFC can either make something like Forrest/Jardine II or Forrest/Wandy or something like that in December and throw Rampage someone like Lyoto Machida or Houston Alexander in January or they can put the title on hold for a few months until they get it sorted out.

Someone I know made the suggestion of Liddell vs. Griffin, with the obvious storyline being that Chuck was Forrest's coach in TUF 1, and could be somewhat of a "passing of the torch" if Griffin wins.

p.s. I'm starting to buy in the Steroids in PRIDE situation more and more now that we've seen Henderson, Nakamura, Shogun and Cro Cop all fall to UFC stars.

marioh · 09-23-2007, 10:13 PM

The matchups I'd like to see at LHW :

Wanderlei vs Jardine
Griffin vs Alexander

Winners face each other for the #1 contender and chance to fight the winner of Rampage - Machida

I doubt it happens though since the UFC really doesn't like Machida since he's not seen as exciting enough (despite the fact he's still undefeated).

05-17-2007, 08:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 4,400 Thanks: 11 Thanked 69x in 42 posts	I'm not sure you can oversaturate a legitimate sport, as long as you keep showing new fights and not just re-hashing old ones Unleashed-style. __________________ Formerly known as Azamien

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05-25-2007, 06:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 4,400 Thanks: 11 Thanked 69x in 42 posts	OK, tomorrow is the "big" night. Predictions? The main event is a tough one to call. Upsets have been the order of 2007, but Chuck isn't exactly an unproven champion. However, if Rampage can get in on him and execute one of his big slams on him, we could certainly have a new light heavyweight champion for the first time in awhile. My prediction: Chuck retains via TKO. If Rampage had a stronger chin, I'd be giving the edge to him based on being a more multi-dimensional fighter. But if wishes were nickels, I'd be a millionaire. This time Chuck is in the cage on home turf rather than in a ring in Japan. I'll be rooting for Rampage, but I don't see it happening. Then again, 2007 has shown you just never know until someone's hand is raised. Also, it's been confirmed that Shogun is now a UFC fighter. It was also said, during the same Dana White conference call, that someone will be there to call out the winner of Jackson/Liddell. Will that person be Shogun, or a surprise challenger? If Shogun gets next shot, can either Rampage or Liddell actually beat him? (I say no, unless he comes down with a case of Cro Cop Syndrome and refuses to train in a cage or prepare for things like elbows. I can't see Chute Boxe letting that happen, though.) __________________ Formerly known as Azamien

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Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belle Glade, FL Posts: 4,005 Thanks: 10 Thanked 31x in 30 posts	The UFC 205 division is a mess right now with no clear number 1 contender. Wandy is on a two fight losing streak, Liddell is nowhere near the title picture, and Forrest and Jardine need one or two more wins. The way I see it the UFC can either make something like Forrest/Jardine II or Forrest/Wandy or something like that in December and throw Rampage someone like Lyoto Machida or Houston Alexander in January or they can put the title on hold for a few months until they get it sorted out. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). IBL: 10 -3 (5) Henry Armstrong > You. Last edited by Romdawg88; 09-23-2007 at 09:39 PM.

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05-22-2007, 11:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
marioh All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 1,162 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7x in 6 posts	There's not enough interest in MMA here, so I goto sherdog for all my MMA news, gossip, chat, etc..

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darkenigma510 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Wild West Posts: 1,353 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1x in 1 post	so what does UFC's purchase of Pride mean for MMA fans? Positive or negative?

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marioh All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 1,162 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7x in 6 posts	The matchups I'd like to see at LHW : Wanderlei vs Jardine Griffin vs Alexander Winners face each other for the #1 contender and chance to fight the winner of Rampage - Machida I doubt it happens though since the UFC really doesn't like Machida since he's not seen as exciting enough (despite the fact he's still undefeated).