Roger Clemens=the white Barry Bonds - Page 5

Jason Moyer · 01-07-2008, 10:31 AM

Clemens has filed his defamation suit:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3184646

AnotherAlias · 01-07-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by from ESPN article

Clemens said his lawyer advised him not to speak with Mitchell, who spent 20 months on his investigation.

If there's nothing to hide, why not talk to him?

Maybe I need to be a shyster to understand it better. I don't get it.

Purple Cowboy · 01-07-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

Apparently it goes even deeper than that. Granted, this is just a news report, but assuming it's true then Clemens was preparing to attack McNamee before word of what he told the investigation even came out. If Clemens indeed never took steroids, why would he consider arguing as such before the allegations were even made?

This is kind of like OJ's legal team trying to have DNA evidence thrown out before the tests were even completed. Why throw out something that may exhonerate you at a time when supposedly the results are unknown, unless you knew all along what they were going to say?

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/mlb#

Yikes... I guess Roger will go to any lengths to conceal his chronic B-12 vitamin use. Maybe Rog should have a sitdown with Dr. Phil next to really sort things out.

Skipaway · 01-07-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

If there's nothing to hide, why not talk to him?

What other players talked to Mitchell? It's not only about if they have something to hide, but also about forming an unified stance against investigations like this.

Skipaway · 01-07-2008, 12:40 PM

Another interesting news:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...-world-utility

Quote:

In a surprising twist to their public war of words, Roger Clemens and his former trainer, Brian McNamee, spoke by telephone Friday night, Newsday has learned. It was their first contact since the Mitchell Report was released Dec. 13, and a person close to the situation described the hourlong conversation between the longtime friends as "emotional."

Really odd timing, with the lawsuits and the congress hearing coming.

AnotherAlias · 01-07-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

What other players talked to Mitchell? It's not only about if they have something to hide, but also about forming an unified stance against investigations like this.

Giambi and Frank Thomas are the two I've read mentioned so far that have talked to Mitchell. One admits to taking them, the other has no evidence against him.

A unified stance to hinder an on-going federal investigation? Sends a great message. A pretty transparent one at that.

Skipaway · 01-07-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Giambi and Frank Thomas are the two I've read mentioned so far that have talked to Mitchell. One admits to taking them, the other has no evidence against him.

A unified stance to hinder an on-going federal investigation? Sends a great message. A pretty transparent one at that.

It wasn't a federal investigation. Giambi was forced to talk, and he did so with the announcement of not going to name any names.

AnotherAlias · 01-07-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

It wasn't a federal investigation. Giambi was forced to talk, and he did so with the announcement of not going to name any names.

You misunderstood. I was referring to the BALCO investigation as being Federal. oops.

Skipaway · 01-07-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

You misunderstood. I was referring to the BALCO investigation as being Federal. oops.

But what does that have anything to do with Mitchell or Clemens or Thomas?

The Wolf · 01-07-2008, 02:38 PM

So Clemens has filed a defamation suit against McNamee for making "false and defamatory" claims. The discovery phase of this trial should be fascinating.

Autism Speaks · 01-07-2008, 04:04 PM

Yes, it should.

jarmenia · 01-07-2008, 06:47 PM

Is it possible that they draw out the trial so long that McNamee can't afford to pay for his defense anymore so no evidence ever comes from the trial?

Jason Moyer · 01-07-2008, 06:48 PM

McNamee sounds like a really credible source:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

The Wolf · 01-07-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

Is it possible that they draw out the trial so long that McNamee can't afford to pay for his defense anymore so no evidence ever comes from the trial?

Discovery comes way up front. It can drag on in complicated trials, but this is a fairly simple lawsuit, so it is unlikely that it will.

USN Squid · 01-07-2008, 09:30 PM

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"I don't have any money. I have nothing," McNamee said. "I'm not doing a book deal. I got offered seven figures to go on TV. I didn't do it. I didn't take it. I didn't do anything. All I did was what I thought was right -- I never thought it was right, but I thought that I had no other choice, put it that way."

I believe Clemens more each time McNamee opens his mouth. This plays to Clemens' assertion that McNamee did this because the feds threatened him with jail if he didn't link Roger to steroids. Couple that with a dying son, and McNamee "did what he had to do."

Skipaway · 01-07-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by USN Squid

I believe Clemens more each time McNamee opens his mouth. This plays to Clemens' assertion that McNamee did this because the feds threatened him with jail if he didn't link Roger to steroids. Couple that with a dying son, and McNamee "did what he had to do."

Where exactly is the logic in that?

If Clemens proves McNamee to be lying, McNamee has to go to jail.

That might be exactly the reason why McNamee told Clemens that he's willing to help, but he doesn't want to go to jail.

Green & Gold Heart · 01-07-2008, 10:50 PM

He might not be steroidly clean, but we know for sure he's Zestfully clean:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s5iqpb6L7pY

The Wolf · 01-08-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

McNamee sounds like a really credible source:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

Clemens as well:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...1&sportCat=mlb

jazzrack · 01-08-2008, 01:27 AM

this is turning into a witch hunt. And it is all pointless anyway, you can't rewrite history, whtas done is done. Change the rules and move forward. most of this stuff wasn't even agains MLB rules until what 01, 03? but the "investigations" are going back decades? test everybody 3 times a season, once in the offseason and move forward.

I'm sick of it, Barry gets burried, clemens is given every benifit of the dought. Clemens is generaly liked by the media, Bonds isn't. thats they only difference here.

USN Squid · 01-08-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Where exactly is the logic in that?

If Clemens proves McNamee to be lying, McNamee has to go to jail.

That might be exactly the reason why McNamee told Clemens that he's willing to help, but he doesn't want to go to jail.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=4099462

01-07-2008, 10:31 AM	#81 (permalink)
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 4,100	Clemens has filed his defamation suit: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3184646 __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses. That was the '60s, when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There's a lot more research and understanding. I'd like to say we were smart, but we didn't know what was going on. We were at the tail end of a generation that wasn't afraid to ingest anything. As research showed up, guys stopped." -- Tom House

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jarmenia Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL USA Posts: 3,304	Is it possible that they draw out the trial so long that McNamee can't afford to pay for his defense anymore so no evidence ever comes from the trial? __________________ If not perfection, when is good enough, good enough?

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Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 4,100	McNamee sounds like a really credible source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses. That was the '60s, when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There's a lot more research and understanding. I'd like to say we were smart, but we didn't know what was going on. We were at the tail end of a generation that wasn't afraid to ingest anything. As research showed up, guys stopped." -- Tom House

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jazzrack All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: libertarian hell Posts: 1,714	this is turning into a witch hunt. And it is all pointless anyway, you can't rewrite history, whtas done is done. Change the rules and move forward. most of this stuff wasn't even agains MLB rules until what 01, 03? but the "investigations" are going back decades? test everybody 3 times a season, once in the offseason and move forward. I'm sick of it, Barry gets burried, clemens is given every benifit of the dought. Clemens is generaly liked by the media, Bonds isn't. thats they only difference here. __________________ If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you oughtta go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid I make up my opinions from facts and reasoning, and not to suit any body but myself. If people don't like my opinions, it makes little difference as I don't solicit their opinions or votes. - William Tecumseh Sherman

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