Roger Clemens=the white Barry Bonds

[USN Squid]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

In which way? It got absolutely nothing to do with steroids.

Maybe you are hinting that Clemens intentionally hired him back to inject steroids, knowing he already knows ways to destroy McNamee's credibility when needed?

In the way that it shows McNamee has lied to police in the past, leading to his release by Clemens and the Yankees.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

In the way that it shows McNamee has lied to police in the past, leading to his release by Clemens and the Yankees.

Yeah, he might have lied to avoid jail last time, just like he might have told the truth to avoid jail this time.

The key is, what's the logic for him to tell lie this time, considering that would put him jail.

It really means very little to the steroids incident.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Yeah, he might have lied to avoid jail last time, just like he might have told the truth to avoid jail this time.

The key is, what's the logic for him to tell lie this time, considering that would put him jail.

It really means very little to the steroids incident.

exactly, plus, if Clemens is truly innocent, why would the Feds have a hard-on for him to threaten Mcnamee jail time unless he lies about him.

Doesn't make sense does it?

[USN Squid]

All I'm saying is that I'm not ready to throw him (Clemens) under the bus on the statements of one man who was trying to avoid jail time and who has lied to law enforcement before.

After all, that's all the Mitchell Report is based on. The words of one man who has credibility issues.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

All I'm saying is that I'm not ready to throw him (Clemens) under the bus on the statements of one man who was trying to avoid jail time and who has lied to law enforcement before.

After all, that's all the Mitchell Report is based on. The words of one man who has credibility issues.

Radomski?

[USN Squid]

Originally Posted by silvam14

Radomski?

In reference to the subject at hand...Clemens.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

In reference to the subject at hand...Clemens.

Oh yeah, sorry

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

All I'm saying is that I'm not ready to throw him (Clemens) under the bus on the statements of one man who was trying to avoid jail time and who has lied to law enforcement before.

After all, that's all the Mitchell Report is based on. The words of one man who has credibility issues.

Surely I'm not going to throw Clemens under the bus or anything.

However, the whole affair is just painful. You hear Clemens, an ultra rich guy, complaining about how he didn't feel happy when he came home from his vacation due to the incidents, and you hear McNamee, a regular folk, complaining about how his whole life is ruined.

I just have more sympathy for the weaker.

Clemens probably should have taken better care of McNamee, who still admires Clemens to this day. Maybe that's what Bonds did to Anderson.

[jazzrack]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Cant blame clemens there. It would be stupid not to have his lawyers there.
Im not even sure if McNamee knows what the tuth is. You dont beg someone to tell you what to do if you know they are guilty. You tell them they are a liar and you are telling the truth. By trying to get clemens to tell him what to say it makes me wonder did he say the same thing to mitchell? Where do we know for sure that McNamee said something because it was the truth as he saw it.

he was asking for clemens to give him some options ($$$$) to change his story.

you guys don't deal with the criminals very often do you.

[KurtBevacqua]

Oops, looks like there is yet another audio tape of Clemens talking to McNamee, before the Mitchell report was released.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3187302

A lawsuit filed Sunday by Clemens against his former trainer contains what appears to be an excerpt of the interview, which took place Dec. 12. That was one day before the release of the Mitchell report, in which McNamee accused Clemens of using steroids and human growth hormone.

"They should ask for the entire tape of the interview back in December. That's the tape they should ask for," Earl Ward, one of McNamee's lawyers, said Tuesday. "According to Brian, they tried to get him to recant. Brian said, look, what I told the [Mitchell and federal] investigators was the truth."

On Monday, McNamee's lawyers released faxes purportedly signed by Clemens and Andy Pettitte that stated investigators Jim Yarbrough and Billy Belk work for the law firm representing them. They asked that Clemens' attorneys voluntarily release the entire Dec. 12 recording.

[Vezna31]

Originally Posted by silvam14

exactly, plus, if Clemens is truly innocent, why would the Feds have a hard-on for him to threaten Mcnamee jail time unless he lies about him.

Doesn't make sense does it?

Well, if a senator spent all that time and taxpayer's money on a 409 page report and came up with a bunch of minor players, then everyone would blast him. He had to come up with the big fish to justify his investigation.

The BALCO investigation already brought out Bonds, so Mitchell can't use his name.

That would make sense to me. But then again, what do I know??

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Vezna31

Well, if a senator spent all that time and taxpayer's money on a 409 page report and came up with a bunch of minor players, then everyone would blast him. He had to come up with the big fish to justify his investigation.

What Senator are you talking about specifically?

Mitchell report is done by a former Senator on MLB money.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Vezna31

Well, if a senator spent all that time and taxpayer's money on a 409 page report and came up with a bunch of minor players, then everyone would blast him. He had to come up with the big fish to justify his investigation.

The BALCO investigation already brought out Bonds, so Mitchell can't use his name.

That would make sense to me. But then again, what do I know??

So now the player is innocent and there is all of a sudden a whole conspiracy against him so that Mitchell can have adequate body count in his report?

This is not making too much sense to me.

[Vezna31]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

What Senator are you talking about specifically?

Mitchell report is done by a former Senator on MLB money.

I didn't know he was a former senator or that it was done with MLB's money. Statement detracted. Thanks for the info.

[zekester91]

Here is what I don't get, Clemens is suppose to be a intelegent and in the locker room. From Cansaco and others, B12 was the locker room code for steroids. Yet we are suppose to belive that when Clemens ask for B12 he really wants the vitimian and not steroids, and that he belives he got B12. I find Clemens stance to be to stupid for words. This is how I read his "story", He originaly gave Mcnamee B12 the vitimain and Mcnamee assumed that Clemems was talking about the steroids in code. later when Mcnamee gets him the "B12" it's the steroids that Mcnamee thought Clemens was already taking. Clemems whole story hinges on people not making the code connentions, and beliving that he is smart.

[USN Squid]

Originally Posted by zekester91

Clemens is suppose to be a intelegent and in the locker room.

I find Clemens stance to be to stupid for words.

[KurtBevacqua]

Originally Posted by zekester91

Here is what I don't get, Clemens is suppose to be a intelegent and in the locker room. From Cansaco and others, B12 was the locker room code for steroids. Yet we are suppose to belive that when Clemens ask for B12 he really wants the vitimian and not steroids, and that he belives he got B12. I find Clemens stance to be to stupid for words. This is how I read his "story", He originaly gave Mcnamee B12 the vitimain and Mcnamee assumed that Clemems was talking about the steroids in code. later when Mcnamee gets him the "B12" it's the steroids that Mcnamee thought Clemens was already taking. Clemems whole story hinges on people not making the code connentions, and beliving that he is smart.

Sounds like the Raffie Palmeiro tactic. Didn't he and Tejada say all along they were passing B12 in the locker room and it turned out to be code for roids? I also know way back when in the NFL B12 was code for shooting speed. Guys would ask the trainer for a "B12" shot and in reality get a shot of uppers in the butt. B12 has been code speak for a long time in sports for a shot of something illicit.

[andymac]

Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

Sounds like the Raffie Palmeiro tactic. Didn't he and Tejada say all along they were passing B12 in the locker room and it turned out to be code for roids? I also know way back when in the NFL B12 was code for shooting speed. Guys would ask the trainer for a "B12" shot and in reality get a shot of uppers in the butt. B12 has been code speak for a long time in sports for a shot of something illicit.

So, what do they say when they really want a B12 shot?

[USN Squid]

Originally Posted by andymac

So, what do they say when they really want a B12 shot?

Juice?

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by andymac

So, what do they say when they really want a B12 shot?

"May I have some steroids in my buttocks please?"