New Batch of NFL rules

bababui · 04-02-2008, 05:02 PM

All good changes, IMO.

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• A recommendation to eliminate force-out decisions on pass completions near the sidelines. Now, officials will only have to decide whether a receiver landed inbounds or not. The intended result is more consistency.

• The "Phil Dawson field goal rule." Now, certain field goals can be reviewed by instant replay, including kicks that bounce off the uprights. Under the previous system, no field goals could be reviewed.

• Deferring the opening coin toss. This is similar to the college rule. Previously, the winner of the coin toss could only choose to receive or to kick off.

• A direct snap from center that goes backward will now be treated as a fumble. Previously, it was ruled a false start.

• Eliminating the 5-yard face mask penalty. Now, only the serious face mask will be called (and will be assessed as a 15-yard penalty). The major foul will involve twisting or grabbing the face mask.

eriqjaffe · 04-02-2008, 05:07 PM

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A direct snap from center that goes backward will now be treated as a fumble.

Don't all direct snaps from center go backward?

johnnybourbon · 04-02-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Don't all direct snaps from center go backward?

...great, another thing to lower to that awful percentage that is the exchange rate between Olin "The Most Overrated Center in the NFL" Kruetz and Rex "Tiny Hands" Grossman

Go Tribe · 04-02-2008, 05:18 PM

* A recommendation to eliminate force-out decisions on pass completions near the sidelines. Now, officials will only have to decide whether a receiver landed inbounds or not. The intended result is more consistency.

Great - now every catch near the sidelines are going to end up in force outs by the dbacks

mikev · 04-02-2008, 05:21 PM

All that, and nothing about the last second timeouts when field goal kickers are lined up?

This is why the NFL sucks

Erik W. · 04-02-2008, 05:22 PM

You left out the best rule change: Defenses are now allowed to use wireless communications in the same manner as offenses.

eriqjaffe · 04-02-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Go Tribe

Great - now every catch near the sidelines are going to end up in force outs by the dbacks

Not if the the dbacks don't have a runner on first!

eriqjaffe · 04-02-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

You left out the best rule change: Defenses are now allowed to use wireless communications in the same manner as offenses.

Does shouting count as "wireless communications"?

Erik W. · 04-02-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Does shouting count as "wireless communications"?

Certainly, but in this case I mean radio receivers in the helmet.

molarmite · 04-02-2008, 08:13 PM

• A recommendation to eliminate force-out decisions on pass completions near the sidelines. Now, officials will only have to decide whether a receiver landed inbounds or not. The intended result is more consistency.

Stupid change, now defensive backs can just push the receiver out of bounds while he's in the air and it won't be a catch. Technially, although this probably wouldn't happen unless the receiver is tiny, if he catches the ball 5 yards inbounds, someone could pick him up or catch up in the air and take him out of bounds before he gets two feet down.

• The "Phil Dawson field goal rule." Now, certain field goals can be reviewed by instant replay, including kicks that bounce off the uprights. Under the previous system, no field goals could be reviewed.

Good rule.

• Deferring the opening coin toss. This is similar to the college rule. Previously, the winner of the coin toss could only choose to receive or to kick off.

Not exactly sure what this means, does someone want to explain it more?

• A direct snap from center that goes backward will now be treated as a fumble. Previously, it was ruled a false start.

Also confused on this one, all snaps go backwards and once its snapped the play is started so its a fumble.

• Eliminating the 5-yard face mask penalty. Now, only the serious face mask will be called (and will be assessed as a 15-yard penalty). The major foul will involve twisting or grabbing the face mask.

Another good rule although I'm sure we'll be seeing for 15 yard facemasks now.

Big Hugg · 04-02-2008, 08:24 PM

Right, because pushing the WR out of bounds before he can get his feet down isn't a good defensive play.

That's always been a stupid rule. Thank god they got rid of it.

Erik W. · 04-02-2008, 08:28 PM

Yeah, I like the change too. Judgement calls are nothing but trouble. Yeah, this will reduce the effectiveness of jump balls on the sideline, but offenses will adapt.

Andy · 04-03-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

• Deferring the opening coin toss. This is similar to the college rule. Previously, the winner of the coin toss could only choose to receive or to kick off.

Not exactly sure what this means, does someone want to explain it more?

If a team wins the coin toss, they can let the other team choose whether they would like to receive or kick off.

bababui · 04-03-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

If a team wins the coin toss, they can let the other team choose whether they would like to receive or kick off.

When Terry Donahue was head coach at UCLA he almost always deferred. Seems to me that the 2nd half choice is many times much more strategically important.

Bobble · 04-03-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

If a team wins the coin toss, they can let the other team choose whether they would like to receive or kick off.

Well, they are really choosing to defer their decision until the second half. When the defer, the other team gets their choice for the first half. The original team gets to make the decision of whether to get the ball or take a specific direction for the second half and they get to make that decision at the start of the second half.

Faroo6 · 04-03-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

"Stupid change, now defensive backs can just push the receiver out of bounds while he's in the air and it won't be a catch. Technially, although this probably wouldn't happen unless the receiver is tiny, if he catches the ball 5 yards inbounds, someone could pick him up or catch up in the air and take him out of bounds before he gets two feet down."

The defense should be allowed to use the sideline, and there is a provision that if a receiver is carried out of bounds by a DB its a catch.

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Originally Posted by ESPN site

"A receiver now must get two feet inbounds unless he actually is carried out of bounds by a defender after catching the ball."

Giants44 · 04-03-2008, 04:23 PM

This sideline rule makes no sense to me - great if you are a DB you just push a guy out on anything close.

There is almost certainly going to be a critical call, in a critical game that will be controversial and next year we will read about how they changed the rule back.

odd

Giants44 · 04-03-2008, 04:26 PM

Defer rule?

really, prior to this NFL teams didn't have the option to defer? I would have lost that bar bet.

On the high school team I coach we always defer. I prefer to start on defense and get the ball in the second half. I had absolutely no idea that the NFL had not been playing by this rule.

yankeesrule · 04-03-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

This sideline rule makes no sense to me - great if you are a DB you just push a guy out on anything close.

There is almost certainly going to be a critical call, in a critical game that will be controversial and next year we will read about how they changed the rule back.

odd

yea, as opposed to those situations where the ref had to make the decision of if the WR would have landed in or out if not hit by the db, those were just so decisive and clear cut and no controversy ever came of them

Rain Delay · 04-04-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

• A direct snap from center that goes backward will now be treated as a fumble. Previously, it was ruled a false start.

Also confused on this one, all snaps go backwards and once its snapped the play is started so its a fumble.

In this case it was considered a false start... witnessed it first hand against the Eagles, and it made me very very angry.

I've heard "experts" say it was so the offense couldn't trick the defense.. they didn't want teams to be able to snap the ball between the QB's legs to someone behind him or something like that.

edit: I wish I could remember the exact play to explain why it was different than any other QB fumbling a snap, but I can't. I probably couldn't explain it even if I did remember

04-02-2008, 05:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
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04-02-2008, 05:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Erik W. Moderator* Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 3,480	You left out the best rule change: Defenses are now allowed to use wireless communications in the same manner as offenses. __________________ Formerly known as Azamien

04-02-2008, 08:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,765	• A recommendation to eliminate force-out decisions on pass completions near the sidelines. Now, officials will only have to decide whether a receiver landed inbounds or not. The intended result is more consistency. Stupid change, now defensive backs can just push the receiver out of bounds while he's in the air and it won't be a catch. Technially, although this probably wouldn't happen unless the receiver is tiny, if he catches the ball 5 yards inbounds, someone could pick him up or catch up in the air and take him out of bounds before he gets two feet down. • The "Phil Dawson field goal rule." Now, certain field goals can be reviewed by instant replay, including kicks that bounce off the uprights. Under the previous system, no field goals could be reviewed. Good rule. • Deferring the opening coin toss. This is similar to the college rule. Previously, the winner of the coin toss could only choose to receive or to kick off. Not exactly sure what this means, does someone want to explain it more? • A direct snap from center that goes backward will now be treated as a fumble. Previously, it was ruled a false start. Also confused on this one, all snaps go backwards and once its snapped the play is started so its a fumble. • Eliminating the 5-yard face mask penalty. Now, only the serious face mask will be called (and will be assessed as a 15-yard penalty). The major foul will involve twisting or grabbing the face mask. Another good rule although I'm sure we'll be seeing for 15 yard facemasks now. __________________ Come join my new real roster league vMLB. We're getting started as soon as v9 comes out http://vmlb.allsimbaseball3.com/ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps."

04-02-2008, 08:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Erik W. Moderator* Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 3,480	Yeah, I like the change too. Judgement calls are nothing but trouble. Yeah, this will reduce the effectiveness of jump balls on the sideline, but offenses will adapt. __________________ Formerly known as Azamien

04-03-2008, 04:23 PM	#17 (permalink)
Giants44 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,599	This sideline rule makes no sense to me - great if you are a DB you just push a guy out on anything close. There is almost certainly going to be a critical call, in a critical game that will be controversial and next year we will read about how they changed the rule back. odd __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

04-02-2008, 05:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Go Tribe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,311	* A recommendation to eliminate force-out decisions on pass completions near the sidelines. Now, officials will only have to decide whether a receiver landed inbounds or not. The intended result is more consistency. Great - now every catch near the sidelines are going to end up in force outs by the dbacks

04-02-2008, 08:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
Big Hugg All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 887	Right, because pushing the WR out of bounds before he can get his feet down isn't a good defensive play. That's always been a stupid rule. Thank god they got rid of it.

04-03-2008, 04:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
Giants44 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,599	Defer rule? really, prior to this NFL teams didn't have the option to defer? I would have lost that bar bet. On the high school team I coach we always defer. I prefer to start on defense and get the ball in the second half. I had absolutely no idea that the NFL had not been playing by this rule. __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

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