DH or NOT

Comedian2004 · 04-28-2008, 04:06 PM

What should be done with the DH rule in MLB?

Riverdome · 04-28-2008, 04:09 PM

No DH - pitchers should be able to hit their weight. Remember coming up through the ranks in HS, college, ... all these guys can hit. If they occationally took BP they should be able to make contact.

Andy · 04-28-2008, 04:15 PM

I actually like it the way it is. Makes the leagues a little different.

I think some of the AL teams would really be in a bind if they did away with it. Off the top of my head, the Red Sox could have Ortiz or Youk out of a spot. Obviously, they would play Ortiz over Youk. Youk can play 3rd, but then they also have Lowell under contract for a few more years. I'm sure there are quite a few teams that would have a similar sudden logjam.

Skipaway · 04-28-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverdome

No DH - pitchers should be able to hit their weight. Remember coming up through the ranks in HS, college, ... all these guys can hit. If they occationally took BP they should be able to make contact.

If getting rid of the DH could make pitchers hit as well as positional players, why aren't NL pitchers hitting better?

Skipaway · 04-28-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

I actually like it the way it is. Makes the leagues a little different.

I think it'd stay the way it is for this reason.

This really isn't that big of a deal for the league. With the current set up, at least they are able to market the difference between the leagues.

Big Hugg · 04-28-2008, 04:34 PM

Leave it the way it is.

I enjoy both brands of baseball.

johnnybourbon · 04-28-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

If getting rid of the DH could make pitchers hit as well as positional players, why aren't NL pitchers hitting better?

Indeed. So far this year, and I got a feeling that this number will drop, 32 of 124 pitchers are hitting above .200. Not so good.

CBL-Commish · 04-28-2008, 04:44 PM

Leave it the way it is. Too many good arguments would be lost without the split.

In any case we're never going back to an era with good hitting pitchers, not without expanding to 150 or 200 major league teams. Pitchers are naturally selected out for their pitching ability, and their hitting ability has been stagnant for decades. The ratio of pitchers' OPS to everyone else's has declined predictably and nearly linearly for 125 years, as everyone else has gotten better. Any discussion of abolishing the DH should start with the groundrules that modern pitchers in modern MLB are going to have a .300-ish OPS no matter what you do.

Skipaway · 04-28-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

Leave it the way it is. Too many good arguments would be lost without the split.

In any case we're never going back to an era with good hitting pitchers, not without expanding to 150 or 200 major league teams. Pitchers are naturally selected out for their pitching ability, and their hitting ability has been stagnant for decades. The ratio of pitchers' OPS to everyone else's has declined predictably and nearly linearly for 125 years, as everyone else has gotten better. Any discussion of abolishing the DH should start with the groundrules that modern pitchers in modern MLB are going to have a .300-ish OPS no matter what you do.

An article with information similar to what you said:

Hitting Pitchers -- The Hardball Times

Pitcher's hitting actually didn't get that much worse after the introduction of DH. It was horrible long before DH.

Cryomaniac · 04-28-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverdome

No DH - pitchers should be able to hit their weight. Remember coming up through the ranks in HS, college, ... all these guys can hit. If they occationally took BP they should be able to make contact.

Exactly.

Dagrims · 04-28-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Comedian2004

DH or NOT?

I didn't read the rest of the thread yet, but I don't mind his posts about actresses and his avatar is pretty cool, so I vote to keep him.

mgom27 · 04-28-2008, 09:42 PM

DH and Ptcher in the same Lineup.

View Poll Results: What should be done about the DH in MLB?
Leave it just the way it is!	26	47.27%
NO DH either league	20	36.36%
NL should add the DH	6	10.91%
We should vote on it again for both leagues	2	3.64%
We should vote on it again for the NL only	1	1.82%
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll

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