What baseball Record will never be broke

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

By 2050 there will be some records that look goofy today. Like somebody will win 57 games in a season.

Meh. By 2050, you'll be lucky to see any pitchers even appear that many times in a season.

[avwjase]

I'd say the 7 no-hitters is the closest thing to unbreakable as there is in baseball. As far as modern records go. It's just unbelievable that one pitcher was able to do that -- as overrated as Nolan Ryan tends to be, you certainly have to marvel at that accomplishment regardless.

[molarmite]

Originally Posted by avwjase

I'd say the 7 no-hitters is the closest thing to unbreakable as there is in baseball. As far as modern records go. It's just unbelievable that one pitcher was able to do that -- as overrated as Nolan Ryan tends to be, you certainly have to marvel at that accomplishment regardless.

Noob question from a young person, but how was Nolan Ryan overrated?

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Didn't Wilt Chamberlain get pretty close to that once?

I think it's pretty obvious that Cy Young's various records (Wins, Complete games, etc.) will never be beaten. I don't think the single season avg will be beaten for a long time, if ever.

Pretty much any pitching records will have trouble being beaten.

Chamberlain had 50.4 PPG one year.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

And the outfielders will have to get slower and much less athletic. There are places like PETCO and Comerica with deep alleys and center fields, but it's still a crazy feat to hit 20 triples. Outfielders are better.

Many of these untouchable records are that way because today's conditions make them so. But we don't know how baseball will change in the next 20 or 50 years. Fifty years ago 60 homers was untouchable. The strikeout record was 3509. Now they're 73 and 5000-and-something.

By 2050 there will be some records that look goofy today. Like somebody will win 57 games in a season. Or somebody will hit .445. Or strikeout 487 batters. Or go a whole season without striking out. Something like that.

By 2050, we'll be lucky to see a batter go a whole game without striking out. (well at least a whole 3-game series)

[Faroo6]

I would have to say with the way pitchers get pulled, we will never see two grand slams in the same inning, by the same batter, off of the same pitcher.

Fernando Tatis off of Chan Ho Park. That will never, ever, ever happen again. E-V-E-R.

[Skipaway]

Most Un-Beatable baseball record

[dsvitak]

This one is a no-brainer.

Career Leaders & Records for Comp. Games - Baseball-Reference.com

Career leader in complete games, at 749.

Greg Maddux has the most of any active player, at less than half that.

[SittingDuck]

The no-hitters and CG records are linked, in my mind, as being out of reach. Simply because of the poor way starters are used these days. So those kinds of things aren't going to be happening simply because the chance isn't there anymore.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

What is almost mind boggleing to me is that in the thousands of OOTP seasons I have simmed I have never had a virtual player even come close to a 56 game hit streak
Now compare that to the rougly 150 seasons of big league baseball and the odds are fantastic that it would happen real life and not in a game


Another record that gets overlooked is Babe Ruths 1920 season
Ruth hit 54 HRs that season
35 more than second place
He hit more HRs than any other team other than his Yankees and the Phillies

I remember calculating the odds, roughly, that a player would get a 56-game hit streak. I got around once every 125 years, I think. But, I did that years ago, it might not have been very good.

In any case, how is Ruth's 1920 season a current record? Largest difference to the second place player? It's not very clear.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Faroo6

I would have to say with the way pitchers get pulled, we will never see two grand slams in the same inning, by the same batter, off of the same pitcher.

Fernando Tatis off of Chan Ho Park. That will never, ever, ever happen again. E-V-E-R.

I came here to mention that. I don't see any player ever hitting three grand slams in an inning, which is what it would take for the record to be broken.

[Art99]

Barry Bonds hat size

[BadluckinOOTP]

120 IBB by Bonds in 2004.

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by molarmite

Noob question from a young person, but how was Nolan Ryan overrated?

Because of the no-hitters, many people say he is the greatest picther of all-time. That makes him overrated, because if you look at all the numbers he probably doesn't crack the top 15.

[Comedian2004]

For the OOTP record, in all of my historical sims (and that's a lot), I have only seen Joe's streak broken twice. However, one was in a recent beta version of the game, so that don't count.

I can't remember who broke it and that league is long gone, but I do remember saying, well, I guess that could have happened.

I personally think there is some 'helper code' in there somewhere to keep the streaks down, as I see a pattern in the highest, but it works, making it real, so that is what counts.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Comedian2004

For the OOTP record, in all of my historical sims (and that's a lot), I have only seen Joe's streak broken twice. However, one was in a recent beta version of the game, so that don't count.

I can't remember who broke it and that league is long gone, but I do remember saying, well, I guess that could have happened.

I personally think there is some 'helper code' in there somewhere to keep the streaks down, as I see a pattern in the highest, but it works, making it real, so that is what counts.

I'd be interested to see ( because I'm sad like that ) what kind of records people have got in OOTP, using default settings obviously.

[English_Ray]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

I remember calculating the odds, roughly, that a player would get a 56-game hit streak. I got around once every 125 years, I think. But, I did that years ago, it might not have been very good.

This is something I wrote about in my blog a couple of years back, about the likelihood of a 56-gamer. This bit of maths is from Stephen Jay Gould's book, Triumph & Tragedy in Mudville -

Ed Purcell's [a nobel-laureate in Physics] calculations determined that for it to have been a statistical likelihood for a 56-game hit streak to occur (probability of better than 0.5), then baseball would need (up to the point that the article was written, 1988) to have had either four .400 career hitters (there are none), or 52 hitters with a lifetime mark of .350. In fact only three players have achieved that - Ty Cobb (.367), Rogers Hornsby (.358) and Shoeless Joe Jackson (.356). Speaking from a mathematical standpoint, Joe's streak simply should not have happened.

Thats why I reckon we're not going to see Joe D's streak matched anytime soon. If ever.

Here's the link if you want to read my whole entry (its on my blog's old home).

[Tony M]

Grand Slams

Even though Manny is only 3 behind and A-Rod only 7 behind, I think with where they are the chances of beating the record are slim. With three of the five players generally coming up in front of Manny being Lugo, Pedroia and Ellsbury you'd have to get them put on with BB's rather than singles because once one of them gets to 2nd a single will score them.

[Eric]

Napoleon Lajore's .426 season batting average (post 1900).

I wonder how many of Nap's hits came on his third or fourth at bat against the same pitcher? Now with so many relievers, it'll be difficult for batters to get hits off tired pitchers.

Also with all the scouting that is being done, the fielders will know almost exactly where batters will be hitting the balls.

[Syd Thrift]

Also, didn't Lajoie's monster average come in 1901 in the American League? There's not a hard and fast difference between a major and a minor league, especially not at that moment in baseball history, and it is true that the AL had raided the crap out of NL going into that season, but... to me the AL in 1901 is not really a major league. It's somewhere between the 1884 Union Association and the AL in 1905 (when it had unquestionably gotten to that level). Many of the players in the AL in '01 were guys who had played in... well, the AL in 1900, back when it was called the Western League.

Even if you consider the AL in 1901 a full fledged major league, you're looking at a situation in which the number of major league teams doubled in one year. Increasing from 16 to 18 teams helped make Maris' run at 61 homeruns possible; how diluted would major league baseball have been if the league had even expanded from 16 to 22 teams (in 1900 the NL contracted from 12 teams to 8 but then the "majors" expanded back to 16, so the overall percentages are about the same)? Maybe Norm Cash would have hit .427.