What baseball Record will never be broke

[Comedian2004]

A much discussed questions among the baeball geeks.

Throw out some of the old iron horse records, like 45 wins or whatever that number is or complete games in one season, career, etc. No one is going to pitch that amount of games anymore, unless they legalize droids to play the game. (Playing 3rd base today, R2D2, he looks little rusty out there, might be due to the recent road trip in rainy Seattle)

Joe's 56 game is a classic, it might be one of the hardest to break, with all the pressure that is put on the player while in the game. It is like bowling a 300 game, every at bat/frame puts added pressure. Add in the media pressure and wow. But, it would be very easy for a pitcher to 'serve' one up for the hitter. A lot of pitchers would say they do not want to be the one in the record book that allowed the 'record hit', but I think that is BS.

While this is not a record, but I do not think that anyone will ever win 30 games again in one season. But on further thinking, that is more likely because pitchers never pitch more than 35 games a year.

My bet would be on the 190 RBIS, I think that is what it is.

[KurtBevacqua]

I think 190 RBIs will be broken. Manny Ramirez gave it a good ride and might have gotten it if he hadn't gotten hurt.

I don't think anyone will ever throw back-to-back no-hitters again. I don;t think anyone will ever pitch 300 innings in a season again (fairly routine into the 70's). Since nobody will log those kinds of innings again I doubt anyone will get the chance to break Ryan's single season strikeout record. I also doubt anyone will ever throw more career no-hitters than he did.

[Faroo6]

I think Ripken's consecutive games streak won't be touched, and I think McGwire's rookie homerun record will stand the test of time.

[Riverdome]

Hank Aaron's total career bases. He has a ~700 base lead on 2nd place.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

I think 190 RBIs will be broken. Manny Ramirez gave it a good ride and might have gotten it if he hadn't gotten hurt.

I don't think anyone will ever throw back-to-back no-hitters again. I don;t think anyone will ever pitch 300 innings in a season again (fairly routine into the 70's). Since nobody will log those kinds of innings again I doubt anyone will get the chance to break Ryan's single season strikeout record. I also doubt anyone will ever throw more career no-hitters than he did.

The IPs record is a *lot* higher than 300. That's one of those "iron man" records the OP was alluding to.

I do think that eventually Nolan Ryan's single-season and career K records are going to be surpassed. I'm thinking that the current trend towards starters going 5-6 innings is something that's going to reverse a bit, and K/9 has been trending upwards since the deadball era, so even if the game doesn't produce someone else quite as... unique as the Ryan Express, somebody's going to get there eventually unless the length of the season is shortened or something.

The single-season doubles and tripes records seem unsurpassable to me right now unless the game changes pretty radically. Actually, Earl Webb's 67 isn't that far off from what Todd Helton did in 2000 but the game's dropping off from the high offensive levels of the late 90s and early 2000s. Chief Wilson's 36 triples (36!!!) is, like, twice as many as a really good league-leading total nowadays (Curtis Granderson's 23 notwithstanding - and that 23 is still 13 away from the record).

[jdawgsenior]

Yeah, no one's getting any of the triples records until and unless baseball's parks all move their fences back by significant distances.

[Scoman]

Joltin Joes 56 game hitting streak will be tuff to break.

[jbergey22]

Good question... I think the game changes so much from decade to decade its hard to say much of anything.

In the mid-late 80s the home run record seemed untouchable. Id say Joe D's 56 game hitting streak seems like it could hold up no matter how parks change, pitchers change, the ball changes..At this point Rickey Hendersons 130 steals in a season seems untouchable as well.

[koohead]

joe's 56 game hit streak, Cal's game streak, Cy's career wins...those are the obvious one.

I'll go out on a limb and make the statement that Rickey's 130 SB's in a season will never be broken either.

[Fallschirmjager]

What is almost mind boggleing to me is that in the thousands of OOTP seasons I have simmed I have never had a virtual player even come close to a 56 game hit streak
Now compare that to the rougly 150 seasons of big league baseball and the odds are fantastic that it would happen real life and not in a game


Another record that gets overlooked is Babe Ruths 1920 season
Ruth hit 54 HRs that season
35 more than second place
He hit more HRs than any other team other than his Yankees and the Phillies


I think the modern equivalent to that would be a player suddenly hitting .600 for a season
Or a NFL HB rusing for 5,000 yards and 60 TDs
Or a NBA player averaging 50 PPG

Records are meant to record the extremes in sport. Ruths season shattered extremes and completly changed the sport.
I do think we will ever seen that again in modern sport.

[Tom the Fish]

I think it's a sure bet that Cy Young's record of 749 complete games won't be touched.

Tom

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

What is almost mind boggleing to me is that in the thousands of OOTP seasons I have simmed I have never had a virtual player even come close to a 56 game hit streak
Now compare that to the rougly 150 seasons of big league baseball and the odds are fantastic that it would happen real life and not in a game


Another record that gets overlooked is Babe Ruths 1920 season
Ruth hit 54 HRs that season
35 more than second place
He hit more HRs than any other team other than his Yankees and the Phillies


I think the modern equivalent to that would be a player suddenly hitting .600 for a season
Or a NFL HB rusing for 5,000 yards and 60 TDs
Or a NBA player averaging 50 PPG

Records are meant to record the extremes in sport. Ruths season shattered extremes and completly changed the sport.
I do think we will ever seen that again in modern sport.

I recently had a 54-game hit streak pop up in OOTP. But, yeah, other than that I dont believe I have ever had more than like 37.

As far as Ruth. In 1927, his 60 was more than any other team in the AL. Gehrig 47 out did all but one team (Tigers? maybe). 107 total, and the AL had 439 combining everyone. And the crazy thing Lazzeri made it a 1-2-3 Yank run at the top with his 18 HRs. Ken Williams was top non-Yank with 15. Kind of crazy I guess.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Or a NBA player averaging 50 PPG

Didn't Wilt Chamberlain get pretty close to that once?

I think it's pretty obvious that Cy Young's various records (Wins, Complete games, etc.) will never be beaten. I don't think the single season avg will be beaten for a long time, if ever.

Pretty much any pitching records will have trouble being beaten.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

I recently had a 54-game hit streak pop up in OOTP. But, yeah, other than that I dont believe I have ever had more than like 37.

The first and only player I've seen hit .400 in OOTP had a 55 game hitting streak that season. Didn't notice it until well after he'd retired since streaks are nearly hidden in OOTP2007 though.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Didn't Wilt Chamberlain get pretty close to that once?

I think that was Fallsy's point. Wilt did it in the early 60s but nobody's going to come close to that again because scoring is too distributed nowadays. FWIW I *do* think that the Big O's "record" of averaging a triple double is likely to be repeated sooner or later. Michael Jordan came close in 87-88 and offenses are getting back up to the level where a Lebron James could make a run.

Does football have any records like this? I can't think of anything that's really and truly out of anybody's grasp, in part because of the longer length of the season now compared to the 50s and 60s, in part because of many of the stats tracked being relatively new (sacks, for example... who knows how many sacks Deacon Jones or Johnny Blood had in their heyday?), but also because the game itself has evolved into the numbers that it tracks. For a while I thought that Dan Marino's TDs per season record might stand untouched but I was proven wrong about that this past year. Even the single-game records... IIRC Jamal Lewis came within 10 yards of the rushing record a few years back, and the passing record's only like 460 yards.

[Faroo6]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I think that was Fallsy's point. Wilt did it in the early 60s but nobody's going to come close to that again because scoring is too distributed nowadays. FWIW I *do* think that the Big O's "record" of averaging a triple double is likely to be repeated sooner or later. Michael Jordan came close in 87-88 and offenses are getting back up to the level where a Lebron James could make a run.

Does football have any records like this? I can't think of anything that's really and truly out of anybody's grasp, in part because of the longer length of the season now compared to the 50s and 60s, in part because of many of the stats tracked being relatively new (sacks, for example... who knows how many sacks Deacon Jones or Johnny Blood had in their heyday?), but also because the game itself has evolved into the numbers that it tracks. For a while I thought that Dan Marino's TDs per season record might stand untouched but I was proven wrong about that this past year. Even the single-game records... IIRC Jamal Lewis came within 10 yards of the rushing record a few years back, and the passing record's only like 460 yards.

The single game rushing record has been broken like 3 times in the last decade and AP holds it now at like 296.

[eriqjaffe]

Joe Sewell's only striking out 4 times in 150 games, which he did 3 times.

[Raderick]

Sadaharu Oh's career home run record of 868.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by jdawgsenior

Yeah, no one's getting any of the triples records until and unless baseball's parks all move their fences back by significant distances.

And the outfielders will have to get slower and much less athletic. There are places like PETCO and Comerica with deep alleys and center fields, but it's still a crazy feat to hit 20 triples. Outfielders are better.

Many of these untouchable records are that way because today's conditions make them so. But we don't know how baseball will change in the next 20 or 50 years. Fifty years ago 60 homers was untouchable. The strikeout record was 3509. Now they're 73 and 5000-and-something.

By 2050 there will be some records that look goofy today. Like somebody will win 57 games in a season. Or somebody will hit .445. Or strikeout 487 batters. Or go a whole season without striking out. Something like that.

[johnnybourbon]

Pete Rose's career hits record will stand
So will Rickey Henderson's steals record