Report: A-Rod tested positive in 2003

[stevebydac]

Originally Posted by thomamon

Instead of being a cry baby and denying it he came out and admitted it, which is the best thing he could have done.

He was trapped like a rat. He had no choice.

I can't believe people let the "confessors" off the hook. Pettitte confessed he "only used it one time". Well Andy, you threw your dad under the bus, and you didn't admit anything until you too, were trapped like a rat.

Giambi was sorry about doing something, but he never told us exactly what he was sorry for. Funny how he didn't mention steroids in that news conference -- I wonder if it might have been because the Yanks could have voided his contract for millons of dollars? He too never admitted anything until he was caught.

And now ARod's "sorry". Gee Alex, why did you lie like a scumbag to Katie Couric? Oh that's right, no one knew you were a cheater then. So apparently there was no need to feel sorry then. He said in his interview that he felt pressure in Texas, so he took steroids. Then he stopped, and hasn't taken anything in NY. Are you telling me he DIDN'T feel pressure to perform in the New York circus atmosphere, especially after the media-crazed near-move to rival Boston? The pressure in NY was 10x the pressure of Texas.

These three clowns are no better than Bonds, Clemens and the rest.
They're all cheating, lying dirtbags. No one should be admiring any of them.

I'll be impressed when someone who HASN'T been named comes out and admits he was taking a banned substance. Then I will believe that the guy is truly sorry and wants to make amends. That would take real courage.

[andymac]

Yes, they are all horrible, horrible people.

[RchW]

So will the Yankee Years get a new subtitle "The Steroid Years".

Clemens
Pettitte
Giambi
Rodriguez

How many other players on those various Yankee teams were juiced.

[andymac]

Probably about the same number of other players that were juiced on every other team. The media just doesn't care about non-Yankee players enough to investigate them.

[andymac]

Or maybe I am wrong and all 103 of the other names on the list are Yankees as well.

[RchW]

I just want to know if those Yankee teams were the best teams money could buy or if it took money and steroids too.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by RchW

I just want to know if those Yankee teams were the best teams money could buy or if it took money and steroids too.

First of all it wasnt with the Yankees that A-Rod was caught.
So lets see Giambi & A-Rod and how many championships the Yankees have they won with them. Oh thats right none.
Pettitte took steroids like what once so i guess all those championships are tainted.

[Carplos]

Pettitte took HGH.

[EMSoccerCoach]

Originally Posted by andymac

Probably about the same number of other players that were juiced on every other team. The media just doesn't care about non-Yankee players enough to investigate them.

Crap, I missed the Yanks getting Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro...must've slipped under the radar.

[andymac]

Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

Crap, I missed the Yanks getting Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro...must've slipped under the radar.

I was, I thought fairly obviously, being a bit facetious.

[EMSoccerCoach]

Originally Posted by andymac

I was, I thought fairly obviously, being a bit facetious.

Sorry, you were unfairly victimized by a Yankee fan friend of mine who seriously presents this whole thing as an attack on the Yankees. Apologies.

[andymac]

Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

Sorry, you were unfairly victimized by a Yankee fan friend of mine who seriously presents this whole thing as an attack on the Yankees. Apologies.

No problem. I do think Yankee players are going to be "outed" at a higher percentage than guys from other teams just because they have so many more media members asking about them and/or digging around. There are more people who are going to buy books about them, etc. However, I haven't seen any media members go as far as to say something like RchW did, which is scary because it makes me realize the media could be worse.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by andymac

No problem. I do think Yankee players are going to be "outed" at a higher percentage than guys from other teams just because they have so many more media members asking about them and/or digging around. There are more people who are going to buy books about them, etc. However, I haven't seen any media members go as far as to say something like RchW did, which is scary because it makes me realize the media could be worse.

I thought I was obvious too.

But it got the reaction I was expecting.

[andymac]

Originally Posted by RchW

I thought I was obvious too.

But it got the reaction I was expecting.

Well, yea, I figured you were...that is why I responded in kind.

[Jason Moyer]

Jeff MacGregor: A-Rod, Phelps and fame - ESPN Page 2

That's the best article I've seen written about this stuff lately.

I've always found it weird how fans (of any celebrity, not just athletes) are so quick to make personal judgements about people they don't know based on information that's filtered down to them through people with an agenda. I think that's why I've never jumped on the "OMG CHEATER" train. The reason steroids are illegal and are against the rules in baseball are because they're harmful to your health - if they weren't they'd be treated like anything you can buy at GNC (and apparently some of that stuff is banned too). I don't have a personal relationship with any of these guys, so I really don't care if they were jamming needles up each other's asses all day in the clubhouse. What I do know is that I've never seen someone as dialled in mentally as Barry Bonds was for the last 8 years of his career, and I suspect that Ritalin would have been more likely to give him that edge than steroids or HGH were.

Edit: Actually it wouldn't surprise me if a higher-than-normal % of MLB players suddenly started having Ritalin prescriptions at the exact moment amphetamines were banned.

[Delgadodawg]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Pettitte took steroids like what once

Wow you seriously bought his story??

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Edit: Actually it wouldn't surprise me if a higher-than-normal % of MLB players suddenly started having Ritalin prescriptions at the exact moment amphetamines were banned.

I'm pretty sure I read an article awhile back saying that was true. Well, I don't remember the timing part, but I do remember the part about drugs like ritalin having a much higher prescription rate amongst baseball players than the regular population.

EDIT: Actually, a google of "ritalin baseball players" brings up plenty of stuff.

[Jonzard]

We can all agree Manny Ramirez is NOT using Ritalin.

[Cryomaniac]

I have more respect for him for admitting it than I do for Bonds. Now if he's just admit that he's slept with Madonna...

[kq76]

Originally Posted by stevebydac

He was trapped like a rat. He had no choice.

I can't believe people let the "confessors" off the hook. Pettitte confessed he "only used it one time". Well Andy, you threw your dad under the bus, and you didn't admit anything until you too, were trapped like a rat.

Giambi was sorry about doing something, but he never told us exactly what he was sorry for. Funny how he didn't mention steroids in that news conference -- I wonder if it might have been because the Yanks could have voided his contract for millons of dollars? He too never admitted anything until he was caught.

And now ARod's "sorry". Gee Alex, why did you lie like a scumbag to Katie Couric? Oh that's right, no one knew you were a cheater then. So apparently there was no need to feel sorry then. He said in his interview that he felt pressure in Texas, so he took steroids. Then he stopped, and hasn't taken anything in NY. Are you telling me he DIDN'T feel pressure to perform in the New York circus atmosphere, especially after the media-crazed near-move to rival Boston? The pressure in NY was 10x the pressure of Texas.

These three clowns are no better than Bonds, Clemens and the rest.
They're all cheating, lying dirtbags. No one should be admiring any of them.

I'll be impressed when someone who HASN'T been named comes out and admits he was taking a banned substance. Then I will believe that the guy is truly sorry and wants to make amends. That would take real courage.

Preach on, brother!

Yeah, that's a great message to send to ball-players: Go on, take steroids. As long as you admit it later on, all will be forgiven and you can go back to enjoying your millions while tarnishing the great game. Screw that. I say, you turn the game into a joke then you're kicked out of the league and banned for life. And as for having no one left in the Hall, that's fine by me. It's a joke as it is anyway. I'd rather we all have our own personal mind of fame for players than the Hall that we have now. I'm sick and tired of seeing sucks like Peter Gammons pushing their favourite players into the Hall over much more deserving players. I can't wait to see him doing the same for ARod in a few years: Oh, he came clean. He only did it for a few years [yeah right, the pressure in Texas was so much that you had to take steroids, but New York, pfft, no pressure there], take those stats out and he's still a HoFer. No thank you. You cheat the game, the fans, your fellow players, the history books, you're out for life, goodbye. Enjoy being a washed-up pathetic has-been like Pete Rose for the rest of your life. Sure, you'll still have your millions, but see what that buys you late in life.

It's weird. I've never much cared for ARod (even when he was with the Mariners whom I used to follow closely at the time), but I don't think I've ever been so angry at a ballplayer for using before. I think it must not be about ARod, but about the reaction we're seeing from so many people. Now that so many players have come out and admitted using (and others haven't, but it's pretty clear that they're guilty nonetheless), it's like it doesn't matter anymore; it's just how the game is now. Well, I refuse to accept that. If we can't kick them out of the game right now because it technically wasn't against the rules at the time then so be it, but I feel the very least we can do is loudly voice our disapproval and hopefully that will have at least some impact on the future. Forgiveness won't help anything, it'll only hurt.