Report: A-Rod tested positive in 2003

[Jason Moyer]

I think racism did a lot more to tarnish the game than performance enhancers, but I will admit that the thought of 19th century players injecting themselves with goat hormones and strychnine is a little ****ing weird.

I don't really see how modern players have somehow tarnished the game when guys have been taking sketchy PEDs in baseball and every other sport for over 100 years. That doesn't mean sports shouldn't be doing everything they can to keep competition clean, but this whole "modern athletes are destroying the integrity of competition" bull**** isn't anything but naivety on the part of the general public and a focal point for the media cash cow.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Delgadodawg

Wow you seriously bought his story??

Maybe he should have taken more.
Have you seen his career?
If he was using steroids that much they sure didnt help him.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

I will admit that the thought of 19th century players injecting themselves with goat hormones and strychnine is a little ****ing weird.

That's not to say it didn't happen

[Russ]

Tejada the next to go down, though there is no admission of steroids.

[Prodigal Son]

So basically about everyone who has won an MVP over the past decade has been on roids?

[Skipaway]

And Jeter has herpes.

[Jason Moyer]

Marvin Miller weighs in:

Ex-baseball union boss Marvin Miller blasts 'witch hunt' - ESPN

[Delgadodawg]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Maybe he should have taken more.
Have you seen his career?
If he was using steroids that much they sure didnt help him.

So it is automatic that you become a superstar if you take steroids or HGH or something similar??

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

So basically about everyone who has won an MVP over the past decade has been on roids?

Well, everyone except Frank Thomas.

Wait, no, he didn't win in 2000...

[spark240]

Originally Posted by thomamon

It wasn't cheating at the time.

Originally Posted by ESPN.com

Steroids have been part of baseball's banned substance list since 1991, however testing for major league players did not begin until 2003.

Testing and enforcement provisions were resisted by the players' union, but the rule was in place well before Rodriguez got into the league.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Delgadodawg

So it is automatic that you become a superstar if you take steroids or HGH or something similar??

Well how much mention has the borderline players who were actually caught been given ? No its only Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod etc. You cant have it both ways. You cant say it helped the superstars performance but didnt do squat for that non superstar. If anything it should have turned average players into great players. Maybe not superstars but at least great player
but have we really seen this or is it only when a player has say 50+hrs that he must be receiving the benefits of steroids.

I think this whole steroids controversy is a waste of time. You cant change the past. Do we even know for sure how much it can help a player?
Theres always been and always will be cheating in baseball. If they ban these players from the hof should they ban people like John McGraw? The guy tried to ban the umpires from a game and put his own players as the umpires. But he never took steroids so he never tried to cheat.

Its useless to continue this witch hunt. We will never know for sure who took what. They have rules and better testing. Why not just move on and enjoy the game. When someone gets caught and they dont do anything aboutit then i can see complaining.
But if MLB had these tests in 2003 shouldnt they be taking most of the blame for letting it continue? Isnt that kinda like instead of taking a drug test for a new job they want your tests results from 7 years ago. Sure the players are still responsible but i just think we need to stop finger pointing and look to the future.

Players have always cheated. What makes this era so different than the past?
They didnt throw any games. They still had to run, hit and catch the ball. Can you tell me exactly how many stats are due to steroids? If not then why cry over spilled milk? Its done. Just move on already.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Jeff MacGregor: A-Rod, Phelps and fame - ESPN Page 2

That's the best article I've seen written about this stuff lately.

I've always found it weird how fans (of any celebrity, not just athletes) are so quick to make personal judgements about people they don't know based on information that's filtered down to them through people with an agenda. I think that's why I've never jumped on the "OMG CHEATER" train. The reason steroids are illegal and are against the rules in baseball are because they're harmful to your health - if they weren't they'd be treated like anything you can buy at GNC (and apparently some of that stuff is banned too). I don't have a personal relationship with any of these guys, so I really don't care if they were jamming needles up each other's asses all day in the clubhouse. What I do know is that I've never seen someone as dialled in mentally as Barry Bonds was for the last 8 years of his career, and I suspect that Ritalin would have been more likely to give him that edge than steroids or HGH were.

Edit: Actually it wouldn't surprise me if a higher-than-normal % of MLB players suddenly started having Ritalin prescriptions at the exact moment amphetamines were banned.

LOL, Ritalin does nothing for you if you don't have fairly severe ADD/ADHD. It is a very mild stimulant that happens to act on a very specific part of the brain that is typically under stimulated in those with ADD. The effect is to reduce hyperactivity/impulsivity and increase attentiveness where these symptoms are present and relatively severe. If those symptoms are not present or are mild there is little change other than what could be gained through any stimulant including caffeine.

Bennies and/or other amphetamines would be far superior to Ritalin as a stimulant or a study aid for students etc.

[CommishJoe]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Well how much mention has the borderline players who were actually caught been given ? No its only Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod etc. You cant have it both ways. You cant say it helped the superstars performance but didnt do squat for that non superstar. If anything it should have turned average players into great players. Maybe not superstars but at least great player
but have we really seen this or is it only when a player has say 50+hrs that he must be receiving the benefits of steroids.

Brady Anderson?

Brady Anderson Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com

[Russ]

Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Brady Anderson?

Brady Anderson Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com

That dude was seriously roided up. And guess who his workout partner was? Cal.

[mikev]

Originally Posted by Russ

That dude was seriously roided up. And guess who his workout partner was? Cal.

Just for that 1 year?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by mikev

Just for that 1 year?

No, he was always roiding and Cal was his workout partner the whole time they were both in Baltimore. He must have got his cycles right that year.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Brady Anderson?

Brady Anderson Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com

Yeah i always thought Brady Anderson because didnt he go from like 20 hrs to 50 and back to 20. Would steroids do that? Hard to beleive he would have just taken them one year.

[Jason Moyer]

Originally Posted by RchW

LOL, Ritalin does nothing for you if you don't have fairly severe ADD/ADHD.

I'm assuming you've taken it then? My experiences taking it recreationally weren't quite as intense as meth, but certainly moreso than over-the-counter ephedra (when ephedra was legal).

[Jason Moyer]

Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Brady Anderson?

Brady Anderson Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com

Norm Cash 1961? Steve Carlton 1972? Zoilo Versailles 1965?

We could do this all day if you want.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by RchW

LOL, Ritalin does nothing for you if you don't have fairly severe ADD/ADHD. It is a very mild stimulant that happens to act on a very specific part of the brain that is typically under stimulated in those with ADD. The effect is to reduce hyperactivity/impulsivity and increase attentiveness where these symptoms are present and relatively severe. If those symptoms are not present or are mild there is little change other than what could be gained through any stimulant including caffeine.

Bennies and/or other amphetamines would be far superior to Ritalin as a stimulant or a study aid for students etc.

I wouldn't really call it mild. Coffee can be pretty strong too, and you can overdose coffee and Ritalin.