[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Interception to end it.

Quinn couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat on that last drive.

Not really anything positive to take away from this one.

Of course there is something positive to take from this game. At least now the Browns front office knows they can start scouting the division 1-AA colleges so that they can botch another number 1 draft pick.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

So what does Vegas have the Browns at for a Super Bowl win?

"Never tell me the odds" -Han Solo

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by Dargone

Detroit 100/1

Vegas is mighty optimistic arent they?

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Oh, sweet mother...

...this team is going to give the 2008 Lions a run, but even the Lions had moments of offensive productivity. The Browns are just pathetic. Yeah, Edwards has showed up today, but:

* They have no running game. None.
* If the Browns try to spread the field, Quinn is buried
* They cannot convert third downs. At all. Ever!!

Defensively, they just don't have a prayer. By the time it gets into crunch time, they are easy pickings for even the most mediocre offenses. Of course, if I was playing knowing that my offense was never going to score. (NEVER!) I'd give up in the fourth quarter, too.

Browns radio just said Buckhalter (45 yard TD run) looked like Adrian Peterson. Against the Browns? Hell, John Riggins could come out of retirement and look like a white Adrian Peterson against this bunch. OK. I know they are tired. Doug Dieken points this out. Still...yuk.

Eric Mangini and Randy Lerner talk a lot, or so the Cleveland press tells us. How long will that last?

Time to start watching the college game in depth, figure out who the Browns can get in the draft. Colt McCoy sweepstakes the talk already, just three weeks in.

So basically there only chance is to sign that mule from the Disney movie that 100-yd FGs.

[Bobbuttons]

I'm not sure of what this team should do offensively. Brady Quinn is a possession QB. He's not going to take many chances, which in most circumstances will lead to fewer turnovers. While limiting turnovers is a good thing, you need to be able to get first downs to keep the ball moving. Our defense isn't good enough to play for a 9-6 win every game. I'd like the think that a big reason Brady doesn't take many chances (even for a conservative style) is that he has little faith in his receivers outside of Edwards. That wasn't helped by throwing a perfect strike to Cribbs across the middle for a first down in the opening quarter, only to have Cribbs drop it before he even got hit. Then he hits Cribbs over the middle again, who catches it this time, only to fumble it after being hit. He's got a rookie in Massaquoi, a rookie in Robiskie (who wasn't even dressed yesterday), and guys that nobody has really heard of (as receivers, at least, as Cribbs is still well known for special teams and even in the wildcat). I would like to imagine that at some point in the next few weeks, at least 1 other receiver will show something at practice that gives Quinn confidence enough to go deep to him, or else this team may not score 100 points all season.

You could put DA in, sure. But he's the antithesis of Quinn. He's a risk taker. He may be able to come up with a few more big plays, but his inconsistency will lead to one good game followed by 3 horrible games. The issue in that case would be would the offense be able to make up the points that will be given up by DA turnovers in Cleveland territory? Once again, the defense isn't good enough to be given a short field to defend too many times in a game.

I still think that Quinn is a better QB than Anderson, or at the very least, more consistent. And, in this game, at least Braylon and Quinn seemed to be getting on the same page. However, another receiver (whether Furrey or one of the two rookies, or Cribbs) HAS to show that they can consistently catch the football. Otherwise, there is no reason to not double up Edwards.

As for the defense, I don't know what to say. The run defense has been solid in the first half the first two weeks, only to complete meltdown in the second half. Poor tackling seems to be a big reason for this. Maybe this team, despite a tougher training camp schedule than under Crennel, isn't conditioned well enough. They seem tired out by the end of the third quarter. I do like that they've been able to get pressure on the QB. The pass rush is much better than last year, but the secondary has to a better job of coverage. Doesn't do any good to get pressure when the QB is able to get out a pass to a guy that's open by 10 yards.

I picked this team to lose their first three games. They are well on their way. Still, I didn't imagine that they would self destruct so badly in the second half this year. They've only been outscord 20-19 in the first half, but they've been hammered 41-7 in the second half.

[Left-handed Badger]

Just wondering do the Browns and Lions play each other this year.

[Left-handed Badger]

Course, one bright side for the Browns. The Rams have only scored 7 points all year right?

[The Professor]

The 2009 Cleveland Browns are, without a doubt, the worst football team I have seen in my lifetime. I think 0-16 is a real possibility, as well as marks for offensive futility in a 16 (even 14) game season.

Granted he has no QB, no running game, no receivers and no defense, but I think Randy Lerner would be wise to simply abort the Mangini era as soon as he possibly can. We know no self-respecting free agent is ever going to come to Cleveland except for outrageous money. But with Mangini's iron man approach and uninspiring coaching style, I don't think you'd even lure guys with moolah. I just don't think players want "to play" for Mangenius.

Bottom line: this team needs gutted, needs gutted immediately, and I honestly don't think Eric Mangini is the guy to head up a rebuilding effort of such magnitude.

I had doubts. I wanted to believe it was a decent hire, but I'm now fully confident that it was a terrible one. I doubt they could have lured Marty back given that, at his age, he'd probably only buy into a job that could get the Super Bowl monkey off his back, but I guarandamntee you that this Browns squad would be a lot more competetive on the virtue of simple fundamentals (and because I think Marty knows how to get his players on the bandwagon) than this pathetic band of losers is right now.

Heck, I think they could have gone with a virtually inexperienced unknown and gotten better than what Mangini has pulled out of the box. You can only blame the coach so much, but I think he was a screw-up from day one. Admit the mistake, Lerner. Move on. 2009 is a wash. At least make it a productive one by taking the one step this team has to take before it can ever move forward.

Yes. Worst I've ever seen. It is only three games in, but I don't see much of any hope for improvement.

Please prove me wrong, Mangini and Co. Please!

[PittPanther]

Originally Posted by PittPanther

Same as it ever was. . . same as it ever was.

And to think all Modell had to do was move the team out of the city and they won a title . . .

:-)

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by PittPanther

:-)

Hope it feels good to kick a team when it's down. You should be focusing on your team blowing the Cincy game.

[Bobbuttons]

During the broadcast of the last game, the commentators were talking about what leaving Peyton Manning in for every game in his rookie year did for him, despite going 3-13. They said that Manning said that he learned so much about playing in the 4th quarter during that season. It makes me think about the Browns situation. What could Quinn have learned over the entire season, even if the team went 2-14, 1-15 or even 0-16? I actually think that any quarterback would learn a lot, even under those conditions. That being said, the Browns of 2009 are so much different than the Colts of 1999. The Colts had a much more consistent offensive line, leading to Manning only getting sacked 22 times (compared to Quinn's 10 sacks in 2.5 games), and also giving them a much better running game than the Browns could even dream of.

But still comparing, Manning did throw 28 interceptions that year. Manning takes far more chances than Quinn, so Quinn wouldn't throw anywhere near as many picks. However, how long would it be before the offense finally started to move consistently under Quinn? Who knows, now that he's been pulled. The Colts went from 3-13 to 13-3 the next year, and Manning's QB rating jumped nearly 20 points. If you take away the threat of benching during a bad game, a QB could actually improve. Look at Derek Anderson. In 2006, despite getting replaced in the season finale by Charlie Frye, DA started 3 straight games, and they were not good games offensively. Yet, he wasn't benched during the game. He was left in to continue fighting. Perhaps that helped him for the next season when he went to the Pro Bowl and led the team to 10 wins.

I don't know. It's all just speculation at this point. If Brady Quinn would throw medium length passes more often, or if Derek Anderson would throw into triple coverage less often, this team would be much easier to watch. That doesn't look like it will happen any time soon.

[PotatoPeeler]

Here's a headline from USA today: Browns turn over quarterback job to Derek Anderson - USATODAY.com

I wonder if that's supposed to be a clever dig or if it's just a poor choice for a headline. Either way, I found it amusing.

[PittPanther]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Hope it feels good to kick a team when it's down. You should be focusing on your team blowing the Cincy game.

Can't you take a lil teasing, you big baby?


And - we will be alright.

[Jestor]

Originally Posted by PittPanther

Can't you take a lil teasing, you big baby?


And - we will be alright.

There's a difference between a little teasing and hitting the same tired joke ad nauseum. It was a jackass move by Modell and you, quite frankly, are an ass yourself for bringing it up yet again. Once was fine. More than that is overkill, especially with how much the move affected the city.

FTR, I'm not a Browns fan. I'm a Dolphins fan.

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by PittPanther

Can't you take a lil teasing, you big baby?


And - we will be alright.

Your teasing is lame and juvenile, not to mention old news. If you bring up something new and original, you may impress me. As it is, you've shown your level of discourse.

[PittPanther]

Originally Posted by Jestor

There's a difference between a little teasing and hitting the same tired joke ad nauseum. It was a jackass move by Modell and you, quite frankly, are an ass yourself for bringing it up yet again. Once was fine. More than that is overkill, especially with how much the move affected the city.

FTR, I'm not a Browns fan. I'm a Dolphins fan.

Yah - you're right. Modell just ruined Cleveland.

[PittPanther]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Your teasing is lame and juvenile, not to mention old news. If you bring up something new and original, you may impress me. As it is, you've shown your level of discourse.

Simply put - grow a sack. Don't post drivel about the Brownies without expecting to take some flak. You're an easy target for lame and juvenile people like me - who know - that we can get under your thin skin.


"As it is, you've shown your level of discource" - hahahahahaha!

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by PittPanther

Same as it ever was. . . same as it ever was.

And to think all Modell had to do was move the team out of the city and they won a title . . .

**** in other people's threads much?

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by PittPanther

Simply put - grow a sack. Don't post drivel about the Brownies without expecting to take some flak. You're an easy target for lame and juvenile people like me - who know - that we can get under your thin skin.


"As it is, you've shown your level of discource" - hahahahahaha!

Keep it up, Junior. You're just making yourself look like a child.

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by PittPanther

Simply put - grow a sack. Don't post drivel about the Brownies without expecting to take some flak. You're an easy target for lame and juvenile people like me - who know - that we can get under your thin skin.


"As it is, you've shown your level of discource" - hahahahahaha!

And another thing, first, if you are going to quote me, learn how to spell discourse. Second, you weren't teasing Browns fans about the team. You were making it a city issue. That's my problem with your childish routine. If you want to talk about the actual team and the problems they have had, fine. Tease about the never ending carousel of coaches and QBs, the inability to stop the run over the last 10 years, etc. Believe me, there are PLENTY of team issues you could bring up. But trashing a city because of their team is pathetic. I can't stand the Steelers, yet I have been to Pittsburgh many times and I like the city (I prefer Cleveland, of course), and I even respect Steeler fans, because they are as passionate about their team as the Browns fans are. And to say that the Browns problems over the last 10 years and and that the Ravens won a SB after they left Cleveland simply because it was Cleveland shows an ignorance beyond comprehension.